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Post by ace on Apr 8, 2020 9:26:55 GMT -6
I've heard of Marjorie Cameron over the years but never really looked into her background. Being intrigued by this possible "The Children" connection to SOS, I started reading up on her.
Maybe this is lazy journalism, maybe there are hazy recollections at play, but to me it's a big red flag given the "secretive" nature of her work with the U.S. government. Remember Hubbard's alibi for his exploits with Parsons? Just a thought.
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 8, 2020 9:41:04 GMT -6
Oh, I think it's crystal clear that Hubbard recruited Marjorie and sicced her on Jack Parsons deliberately. They apparently fell in love more or less for real, but remember, Marjorie was deeply, deeply nuts. The story about it all being by chance is horseshit. Parsons apparently believed it was, but that doesn't mean it was. Nothing involving Hubbard happened by chance, nor was it reported truthfully. Hubbard was the greatest con artist and pimp of them all. Along with McMurtry, Talbot Smith, and Aquino, Jack Parsons really believed in Magick. They never caught on that Crowley and Hubbard were just grifters. Crowley wasn't even in Hubbard's league. He was more in Hitler's league as a monomaniacal, manipulative sociopath, except Hubbard was much more intelligent than Hitler.
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Post by ace on Apr 8, 2020 11:15:43 GMT -6
Oh, I think it's crystal clear that Hubbard recruited Marjorie and sicced her on Jack Parsons Most likely. That’s a lot of myth-making for a fairly routine event. It’s interesting that other aspects of her bio, particularly in regards to The Children, are pretty consistent. “They disbanded”. Nothing to see here! |
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Post by maxnewman on Apr 8, 2020 13:02:49 GMT -6
If we want to delve into Marjorie Cameron's origin story, the place to go is Bell Plaine, Iowa and the Community History Archive there (https://belleplaine.advantage-preservation.com/). Both sides of her family are from there. You might find it helpful to dig through a few of the newspaper articles I found there that I linked below. The relevant keywords are highlighted in the newspaper, so you don't have to read the whole page.
- Here is more on Marjorie Cameron's dad and paternal grandparents:
- Announcement that "Marge" Cameron entered red-haired-girl contest:
- Belle Plaine High School references to Marge Cameron:
- Here is are the announcements that "Marge" Cameron went to DC in 1943 to be a commercial artist:
- Here is "Marge" Cameron's wedding announcement:
- Listing from picnic involving people from Belle Plaine in California
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 8, 2020 18:10:52 GMT -6
I don't suppose you'd like to be on a couple of upcoming episodes of The Stones Unturned Podcast? I could use a Marjorie expert.
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Post by maxnewman on Apr 8, 2020 20:19:03 GMT -6
Professor,
I’ve got a bunch of kids and a lot going on at work. This means I really can’t set aside significant blocks of time. But here are some things I could do:
- I could do an offline call with you and get into whatever details you find helpful.
- I call into the show for 10 minutes and cover whatever you think it would be helpful for me to cover.
- I could record some short audio snippets and provide them to you.
- I could do a short write-up covering the key points, or a graphic in case that’s more helpful.
In short, I’d like to get involved, but being able to set aside a block of time to be on the show just isn’t in the cards now—as fun as it would be.
Keep up the amazing work!
Best,
Max
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 9, 2020 7:22:15 GMT -6
Sounds great! Thanks!
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Post by sierra on Apr 12, 2020 15:47:36 GMT -6
Wikipedia says Cameron died in a VA hospital. If she was not in the military, the only way she could get life time VA medical would be if her husband Jack served 20+ years in the military. Neither served from what I could find. Maybe secret government agents can get VA benefits.
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Post by maxnewman on Apr 13, 2020 10:06:52 GMT -6
As the wikipedia entry (and newspaper accounts from the time) indicates, she worked for the Navy during WWII in some kind of intelligence capacity: "Following the United States' entry into the Second World War, Cameron signed up for the Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service, a part of the United States Navy, in February 1943. Initially sent to a training camp at Iowa State Teachers College in Cedar Falls, she was subsequently posted to Washington, D.C., where she served as a cartographer for the Joint Chiefs of Staff." Wikipedia says Cameron died in a VA hospital. If she was not in the military, the only way she could get life time VA medical would be if her husband Jack served 20+ years in the military. Neither served from what I could find. Maybe secret government agents can get VA benefits. . |
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 13, 2020 13:00:59 GMT -6
No, she was definitely in the Navy in WWII. As an artist, she was assigned to making up graphics for daily briefings to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That's apparently where she became acquainted with Hubbard. She had a top secret security clearance, because she was seeing top secret reports, etc, and making graphics from them.
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Post by james1983 on Apr 15, 2020 14:22:21 GMT -6
It's my opinion that Cameron, and Hubbard were Navy intelligence sent to spy and gain info on Parsons. Parsons at the time was in contact with Crowley, who was a known British intelligence asset. Maybe he was opening his mouth too much to Crowly about his job, which was defiantly confidential. I believe Parsons was killed.
What's also interesting is Alfred Howell, JFK, Richard Nixon, and Hubbard were all in the Navy reserves during WW2. I've seen an obituary site that claims Howell was the VP of both the European, and Pacicific theatres of operation for the navy reserves. There's no doubt in my mind that all the names I mentioned were part of navy intelligence.
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Post by ace on May 9, 2020 17:12:03 GMT -6
Well, well, well!!! The Stones Unturned has given us a name...
(wtf?)
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Post by james1983 on May 10, 2020 17:10:31 GMT -6
Yeah. I read about Berman being on Sgt Peppers cover and my jaw dropped. I wonder now if the Beatles were friends with Berman. That could explain Charlie's fixation with them, and the use of Beatles titles that wasn't out yet at the time. An example would be Susan Atkins was called Sexy Sadie before the Beatles came out with an album with that same song title.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 10, 2020 22:13:28 GMT -6
Know what else is funny? Charlie himself once said that the Navy was supplying a lot of money--for what? He didn't say. Funny, because Jay Sebring had served in the Navy. And Charlie supposedly learned hypnosis from a Navy shrink who was a convicted pedophile accused of using hypnosis to seduce little girls into a sex trafficking ring.
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Post by james1983 on May 11, 2020 2:41:52 GMT -6
The whole laurel canyon and hippie scene seems to have been one giant experiment. Most, if not all the bands that first came out of that scene had at least one member who's parents were military intelligence. It served a lot of purposes as all government experiments do. It co-opted the peace movement, and it helped bring in the Crowley/Rosicrucian aeon of Horus. One of the mottos of Rosicrucianism is "solve et coagula". It's the breaking down and building up of the person in terms of initiation, and mold that person in their image. It can also be done on society al a whole, through fear, sex, drugs, and other debaucheries. I look at the 60s and early 70s as the initiation of the American society. I use to think that the occult was used as only a front to hide other nefarious things. It is don't get me wrong, but I also found out that the ones who instigate these things believe in what they're saying and doing 100%.
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