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Post by james1983 on Jul 30, 2020 14:27:43 GMT -6
On the 6-13-83 show side 1 3:00 she reports on the death of Roy Radin saying him and Henry Kissinger were very good friends. She claimed that Radinn was throwing a party the day of the trial of Melanie Holler and hinted of Kissengers attendance. Later at the 7:00 mark she reports on the attendance of Baron Von Thyssen at a watergate anniversary or commemoration party. Thyssen was the man who made Andrew Crispo rich to the sum of 90 million dollars through art sales. Some no doubt were stolen.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 30, 2020 14:56:01 GMT -6
Very interesting. You mention the stranglers, on the same show at the 17 minute mark she says that Bianchi was setting up high ranking politicians and filming them with the woman that were later killed. It would be something to look into if it's even possible lol. It's crazy how a lot of these killers can be linked. To the very least further research shows they could not have acted alone as the media portrays. It'd be great to know if Mae had any direct evidence of that or was just theorizing out loud. But even if it is just her theory, it's not that outrageous. It is pretty well-documented that Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi were operating a teen prostitution ring for prominent people in Los Angeles County. From The Hillside Stranglers: The Inside Story of the Killing Spree That Terrorized Los Angeles by Darcy O'Brien: And there is an article covering the testimony of one of their former "prostitutes" (i.e. child sex slaves) which goes into further detail on the above, including her belief that they had friends in the Mafia and local law enforcement ( www.newspapers.com/clip/56387357/santa-cruz-sentinel/):
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Post by james1983 on Jul 30, 2020 15:21:08 GMT -6
She was getting info from people behind the scenes. She was also in contact with quite a few of the killers themselves like Berkowitz and Linley. I read the book you mention years ago, that lead me to believe they were blackmailing people high up. The prostitutes themselves who were servicing these men were killed, then it was blamed on Bianchi and Buono and labeled serial killer like most of these type of murders. You get that impression just by reading O'Briens book, which was great. I think Mae had someone feeding her info whether it was true or not I don't know. What I do know is O'Brien lays it out in his book for everyone to see if they just catch on to the few paragraphs that allude to it like you quoted. Also I'd like to add that her 01-16-84 show side 1 is about the death of Dennis Wilson. She gives names of important people to look into and see if there are connections to what is already known and stated by professor and others. I'm just putting these episodes out there for info purposes to see if there's any value in them for others. Great post Mario!
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 30, 2020 15:36:27 GMT -6
She was getting info from people behind the scenes. She was also in contact with quite a few of the killers themselves like Berkowitz and Linley. I read the book you mention years ago, that lead me to believe they were blackmailing people high up. The prostitutes themselves who were servicing these men were killed, then it was blamed on Bianchi and Buono and labeled serial killer like most of these type of murders. You get that impression just by reading O'Briens book, which was great. I think Mae had someone feeding her info whether it was true or not I don't know. What I do know is O'Brien lays it out in his book for everyone to see if they just catch on to the few paragraphs that allude to it like you quoted. Also I'd like to add that her 01-16-84 show side 1 is about the death of Dennis Wilson. She gives names of important people to look into and see if there are connections to what is already known and stated by professor and others. I'm just putting these episodes out there for info purposes to see if there's any value in them for others. Great post Mario! That continually seems to be the way these cases go, doesn't it? With the Hillside Stranglers, the Atlanta child murders, the Oakland County Child Killer (OCCK) murders, most likely Dean Corll and John Wayne Gacy, and too many other cases to name (especially over in Europe), it's the "serial killers" acting as the procurer and cleanup service in an elite human trafficking operation for which they subsequently take the fall.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 30, 2020 15:44:25 GMT -6
Yet another weird "serial killer" coincidence I just remembered: Peter Howard Denton, one of the alternate Boston Strangler suspects, happened to be in Los Angeles when the Hillside Strangler murders were going on. So that makes yet another person, in addition to George and Sam Shamshak, who came to LA from the Boston area and could have played a role in the stranglings once they arrived. Back in 1976, a Peter Howard Denton, who I think but am not totally sure is the same person, was running some commune in Oregon ( www.fridaynightwriters.com/?team=peter-howard-denton):
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 30, 2020 15:45:01 GMT -6
Apologies for the dead Friday Night Writers link, I archived it here a while ago: archive.is/KbQyQ
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Post by james1983 on Jul 30, 2020 16:49:07 GMT -6
I agree 100%. The silencing of victims and witnesses seems to be the reason for a lot of the murders where prostitues, children, and young men are killed. It's my opinion they're mostly honey traps for blackmail purposes. When there's a string of murdered bodies just label it a serial killer case. There's a little evidence to point to the Tate murders being the same thing. When you have powerful people supposedly video taped in the Tate house there's reasons to wipe people out. This is my personal opinion on the Tate murders. There's too many similarities between these types of murders. When there's sex, video tape, and politicians involved heads will role, and it also explains why the police, media, and the California government cleaned it up for the consumption of the average person. Again just my personal opinion. People like Berkowitz, Alcala etc seem to be the hit men that does the dirty work.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 30, 2020 22:46:46 GMT -6
Good Lord! Keep it up!
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Post by james1983 on Jul 31, 2020 8:54:00 GMT -6
Another example is the Sunset Strip killers of Douglas Clark and Carol Bundy. They went around killing prostitutes as well. Doug Clark is another of the hit man type like Bill Mentzer, Berkowitz, Alex Marti, Richard Ramirez, Bernard LeGeros etc. check this guys bio out lol
"Doug Clark was the son of Franklin Clark, a Naval Intelligence officer.[2] His family moved frequently during Clark's childhood due to his father's job, and he later claimed to have lived in 37 different countries. In 1958, his father left the Navy for a civilian position as an engineer with the Transport Company of Texas, but the family still moved around.[2]
They lived in the Marshall Islands for a time, moved back to San Francisco, California, and then moved again to India. Clark was sent to an exclusive international school in Geneva and later attended Culver Military Academy while his father continued to move around the world. When he graduated in 1967, Clark enlisted in the U.S. Air Force stationed in Colorado and Ohio.[2]
Clark was eventually discharged from the Air Force and he drifted around for the next decade, often working as a mechanic.[2] He moved to Los Angeles and was employed as a steam plant operator for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, working at the Valley Generating Station, before abruptly quitting. Subsequently, Clark became a boiler operator at the Jergens soap factory in Burbank, but was fired due to a high rate of absence and violent threats he had made against his coworkers. One of the bars he frequented in the area was called Little Nashville, where he met Carol M. Bundy in 1980.[2] He soon moved in with her and learned they shared dark sexual fantasies."
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Post by james1983 on Jul 31, 2020 9:06:43 GMT -6
I have a question for anyone who can answer. Who was the "Christian evangelist" lady that Berkowitz was talking with after he first got arrested? It is pretty obvious this was the person who talked Berkowitz into pleading guilty and avoiding a trial. He made the decision to plead guilty right after talking with her. Professor, you should track her down if anyone knows her real name. She's pretty much the reason why nothing was made public about the case other than what was in the papers about the talking dog bullshit. I know it's off topic, but it's a question I always had lol.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 31, 2020 16:39:13 GMT -6
Good question!
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Post by Omega on Jul 31, 2020 20:23:14 GMT -6
Dee Channel?
Who I believe Maury gave the pseudonym - "Lee Chase"
Long time pen pal of Berkowitz, starting shortly after his imprisonment.
There are a few auction results that can be seen on the web (Google results), of letters Berkowitz wrote to her over the years.
Here's one auction description, from the past, that the contents of the letter sounded interesting:
"Correspondence letters to and From David Berkowitz (Son of Sam, .44 caliber killer) and Dee Channel dated late March 1980. In David's letter to Dee on 3/19/80 he admonishes her for speaking to people on his behalf and telling them he is sick. He talks about Ted Bundy and Bianchi (Hillside Strangler) and their mental states. Three pages typed (with hand corrections). He closes with "Love David" (typed). Hand written envelope is included. He follows up this letter on 3/23/80 with another letter reiterating his previous position with some very strong language to the point of calling her "demonized". He talks of the "Son of Sam" book by Lawrence Klausner being released, about walking around Attica unsupervised as proof of his sanity. He responds to her claims that he is "manic-depressive" by stating she is unqualified to make the claim. He rants about the treatment he has had to endure, including having his throat slashed. He gets very fired up and closes by saying, "I am sane- was and always have been!" and there is a hand written "P.S. in essence, I should have been a babbling idiot by now" with a typed sign off "Sincerely David". Also with it's hand written envelope. Dee's response letter is a simple one page retort of his accusations and a basic good by letter. She signs off with "Love, "(typed) "Dee" (handwritten). Two of the letters note enclosures but none are present with the exception of a handwritten note on a paper scrap from David that reads in full "Dee, Please don't write to any one of these individuals who sent me letters. D.B."
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Post by elantric on Aug 1, 2020 0:11:08 GMT -6
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Post by james1983 on Aug 1, 2020 7:07:52 GMT -6
That's a good start. I can't find anything in relation to a Dee Channel that would be old enough to be her. I tried Delores as well. Professor has better recourses maybe he can come up with something.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 1, 2020 7:26:26 GMT -6
Maury wrote she was a Christian Counselor from a western state. Not much I know lol
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