Beware of Manny Grossman

Okay, that's enough of that.

Now, then: Sam Carr was born in Yonkers, but by the time he enlisted in the Army for WWII, he was living and working in Buffalo, NY. After his service, he moved his family between Buffalo, Yonkers, and the Bronx. John attended St Helena HS in the Bronx at least in 1961-62, but then, they moved back to Buffalo, where one source claims Sam ran the local Communist Party (in cahoots with the QLF.) John graduated from McKinley Vocational HS in Buffalo in 1966, then joined the USAF. Michael attended South Park HS in Buffalo at that time.

Wheat Carr was attending Commerce HS in Yonkers 1966-67, FWIW.


Sam and Frances bought the house on Warburton rrrriiiiiiggght around the time a collective of Dominican/Cuban/Puerto Rican commies bought the house (from Uncle Sucker hisself!) on Wicker that the Netos lived in. That's right kids--the Netos were some kind of double agents. Just. Like. The. Carrs. And Craig Glassman's Wackenhut/CIA bosses arranged for them all to live under the watchful eyes of 35 Pine Street.

Oh, and get this--they aren't even Irish. Their name is Czar. Shit you not. Sam's parents Michel and Michelina (as in, Wheat Michelina Carr) Czar were from Austria-Hungary. Juuuuuust llliiiike Manny's dad's grandparents (although they settled in Pittsburgh amidst other Hungarian Slovaks, including the Warholas and the Levendas.) And yes, Julia IS Sam's sister, and yes, THEY were the ones hauled in by the FBI over the Alger Hiss/Whittaker Chambers brouhaha. That's why Sam moved back to Buffalo--to "re"infiltrate his old QLF/KGB/etc friends to work off his "probation." That's why he was moved back to Yonkers. To be near the Netos and their pseudo-American friends. To run a phone messaging service for the KGB and their sleeper agents. One that was tapped by the FBI. That telephone-based signalling system in the Bronson movie Telefon? The Carrs ran that. Under the cover of a regular message service. All those wine bottles wrapped in 1958 newspapers in the Neto attic? Commies don't celebrate Xmas. They celebrate la Revolucion. In Cuba, that was in 1958. See? Mariah herself brags about being close to Castro personally. You think the FBI and CIA didn't know that? BTW, her daughter has a hilariously ironic job these days. Hilariously ironic. And that's what Wheat meant when she said she was sick of being an FBI informant. She was RAISED to be. It kept her parents out of the gas chamber.

"obsessed" like replying to a comment of mine in a nearly-year-old Reddit thread, or making public posts about how you suspect I'm QAnon?

I have called out your work on its merits (or rather lack thereof) on many occasions. That's not a personal attack. You have a record of asserting unproven conjectures as fact (e.g. your bizarre claim that Johnny Gosch was killed in 1990 by "rival drug dealers") and flagrantly misrepresenting what documents say (e.g. many of your dishonest comments in this thread on Dean Corll trying to debunk the connection to a pedophile ring).

To be clear, I don't "fear" what you have to say because it has any validity. I have issues with it because it is false yet superficially convincing to skeptical outsiders who haven't studied these cases in depth. People who are just learning about a pedophile ring case like Franklin or Johnny Gosch's abduction might see your writings and use that as a reason to label the whole story a hoax, unless they see a good rebuttal.


I feel for what you went through as a teen and respect your belief that you're doing good work on this important issue. You do sometimes have valuable insights, and have dug up facts that are informative to me or made me see cases in a different light. There are also reasonable concerns about many of the people you call out, like John DeCamp, Ted Gunderson, and even Maury Terry to an extent. And I have always felt that fundamentalist wingnuts in the community overblew the satanic aspect (despite my belief that it is a real part of these cases), and downplayed the Christian aspect.

But the other side of things comes in exchanges like the ones I've highlighted above on Johnny Gosch and Dean Corll; where you appear to simply not be engaging in good faith, but rather ignoring and manipulating evidence so that you can debunk a case you have predetermined was false.

I never took the satanism angle at face value, nor did I throw it out completely. Any statement from a David Berkowitz or Henry Lee Lucas is going to be filled with bullshit of various kinds, be it intentionally self-serving or just a byproduct of their screwed-up mental state. It has always been a matter of sifting through to see which parts might have some validity to them.

There is enough evidence in both cases for me to believe that Berkowitz and Lucas both were members of cults, that these cults directed many of the crimes they were involved in, and that the cults employed the trappings of satanism. That does not mean I think either killer was a Satanic Bible-thumping true believer, but that the cults engaged in dark, sadistic rituals which they implicitly or explicitly passed off as "satanic". Indeed, the Professor has previously highlighted certain Christian cults (like the Holy Order of MANS and The Way International) which may have important roles to play in these stories. The satanism angle is irrelevant to me except to that extent that a group's ritual practices serve to explain its social dynamics and actions. What is really going on here is simply organized crime and sexual exploitation, backed by some fairly influential benefactors.

I see that you have now decided that "cppweb" or "ccpweb" posting on Websleuths was really "Jimmy" - whomever that was. Have you removed the false allegations that I posted to websleuths under that username, and others, while simultaneously posting under my own name? Have you apologized for promoting such slanderous conjectures?  Remove all the false allegations and slanderous conjectures about me from your site, and I will stop promoting conjectures about you. That's how it works. 

I'm a bit surprised by your lack of intellectual curiosity, about John E. Gosch. There's a lot more than just the coincidence of names and dates of birth. There is, yes, the claim by someone in Tacoma Wa. that the deceased man was their ADOPTED son.  Adopted, apparently, in Colorado - or at least that's where the adoption papers were certified. In Colorado, where you state the post-abduction "proof of life" about John G were found. Supposedly, the adoption papers state John E was adopted two years prior to John G going missing, but if someone was creating false adoption papers they could put whatever date they wished, on them. Then there is the fact of John E being reported a runaway at age 16, and the "coincidence" of Jimmy Gibson stating (in the AMW broadcast) that he met John G when they were both aged 16. John G didn't say anything to him about being abducted,  John G told Jimmy he was a runaway as Jimmy was. Later at Jimmy Gibson's father's house, Gibson's father calls Noreen and they mutually agree that the Johnny Gosch staying in his basement is Noreen's son John G.  Gibson's father tells John G to go home, and he leaves. At that point, John G is NOT under the control of a pedo ring (if he ever was), and free to do whatever he pleases. But he doesn't "go home" to Iowa, he doesn't even contact Noreen or John sr.  Why not? Perhaps because "home" has been some other place since he was 12, a place that he had reasons to run away from?  And with all your antipathy toward John sr. it never occurred to you, that men who travel a lot in their work sometimes have a second, unofficial, family somewhere else in the country? And how expensive it could be to fight a custody battle with someone you've fallen out of love with, and no guarantee that you would win it? And that, there might be another option...?

Agreed, and so this will be my last "off-topic" post in this thread.
When you have launched an unprovoked (by attacks on you) full-scale attack on someone, via your site, expecting any response to be "in kind" and "proportionate" might be a wee bit NAIVE.  However, I am a "person of good faith", and so I have reset my Twitter account. Those things that distress you now exist only in your screen-shots of them.  Your move.

I can't access that news site, but John E could not have been reported a runaway - as indicated in other reports - if he had left home at 18.  In any case, conflicting reports  would only indicate a need for a thorough investigation of the real facts. But that will never happen, so long as The Johnny Gosch Case remains nothing more than a vehicle for promoting Paul Bonacci - and that is all it has been since John DeCamp revealed that his young operative supposedly "had information" about the case. 
And we both know, that you require Bonacci to be a 100% reliable witness, so that you (and others) can exploit his many other claims as the foundation for a Grand United Theory of child sex-trafficking in America. 

Montreal has long been a base for espionage against the United States. John Wilkes Booth and his confederates (no pun intended) walked around Montreal like they owned the place. The bank of Montreal was said to has supplied funds for the logistics in the killing of Abraham Lincoln. And Judah P. Benjamin fled to Montreal after the Lincoln killing and from Montreal he sailed to London where he became a barrister to the Queen of England.

In the 1960's Montreal was home to a shadowy group called Permindex which included Clay Shaw the New Orleans Director of the Trade Mart as one of their directors. A man named Louis Mortimer Bloomfield a lawyer for the Bronfman family was said to be the key figure. It is said both Shaw and Ferrie made regular trips to Montreal and after the Kennedy murder a Canadian man, an insurance agent over heard several men at the Winnipeg Airport discussing the success of the assassination. The men noticed this Canuck listening to them and began to follow him around the airport. I believe he used a pay phone to contact authorities and the men left. He identified one of the men as Clay Shaw and the other David Ferrie who was a pilot. As an interesting experiment it's fun to use the surname Booth with the city of London. What comes up is the number of Mayors for the city of London with the surname Booth.