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Post by Morgana on Jun 23, 2022 13:40:08 GMT -6
These were posted on the unofficial Maury terry gr. And I grabbed them last night and emailed to Tom. I was going to post here but didn't.
They are interesting...going through them.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 23, 2022 14:35:14 GMT -6
This website seems to be still in progress. They SAY there will be original files, etc: thepeoplevsdavidberkowitz.com/audio-files-2/
In the meantime, ALL of the audio files can be accessed here: archive.org/details/QueensDA_SonofSam_interviews
And, ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh, boy, are those tapes interesting...
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 23, 2022 15:59:52 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing the links and the archive.org mirror. I was actually the one who uploaded the mirror yesterday, and unfortunately spent so long trying to make my Internet cooperate that I haven't had a chance to listen to the tapes yet. But yeah, this is absolutely a goldmine, no doubt filled with a lot that will corroborate and/or shed additional light on what's written in TUE. Hopefully the NYPD investigative files get uploaded to the site as well. I'm particularly interested in what kinds of leads were being pursued about the victims' lives before they were all linked to the Son of Sam spree. Some heretofore unknown Maury Terry pseudonyms have also been filled in by the website; apparently the elusive "Reeve Rockman" is in fact Steve Trachtman. There is a Great Neck NY (on Long Island) resident by that name who appears in this 2015 video about volunteering for the local fire department. He gives his age as 68 which means he likely would have been born in 1947; that is exactly when TUE says "Rockman" was born.
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Post by tomdex on Jun 23, 2022 16:30:17 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing the links and the archive.org mirror. I was actually the one who uploaded the mirror yesterday, and unfortunately spent so long trying to make my Internet cooperate that I haven't had a chance to listen to the tapes yet. But yeah, this is absolutely a goldmine, no doubt filled with a lot that will corroborate and/or shed additional light on what's written in TUE. Hopefully the NYPD investigative files get uploaded to the site as well. I'm particularly interested in what kinds of leads were being pursued about the victims' lives before they were all linked to the Son of Sam spree. Some heretofore unknown Maury Terry pseudonyms have also been filled in by the website; apparently the elusive "Reeve Rockman" is in fact Steve Trachtman. There is a Great Neck NY (on Long Island) resident by that name who appears in this 2015 video about volunteering for the local fire department. He gives his age as 68 which means he likely would have been born in 1947; that is exactly when TUE says "Rockman" was born. He no longer lives in NY. And Steve Rockman, the other main "Reeve" suspect, has got to be one of the biggest trolls I've ever seen. He obviously heard the speculation about himself and had some fun with it.
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Post by tomdex on Jun 23, 2022 16:33:11 GMT -6
These were posted on the unofficial Maury terry gr. And I grabbed them last night and emailed to Tom. I was going to post here but didn't. They are interesting...going through them. Sorry I stole your thunder. Guess you were busy with other business.
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Post by Omega on Jun 23, 2022 17:45:25 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing the links and the archive.org mirror. I was actually the one who uploaded the mirror yesterday, and unfortunately spent so long trying to make my Internet cooperate that I haven't had a chance to listen to the tapes yet. But yeah, this is absolutely a goldmine, no doubt filled with a lot that will corroborate and/or shed additional light on what's written in TUE. Hopefully the NYPD investigative files get uploaded to the site as well. I'm particularly interested in what kinds of leads were being pursued about the victims' lives before they were all linked to the Son of Sam spree. Some heretofore unknown Maury Terry pseudonyms have also been filled in by the website; apparently the elusive "Reeve Rockman" is in fact Steve Trachtman. There is a Great Neck NY (on Long Island) resident by that name who appears in this 2015 video about volunteering for the local fire department. He gives his age as 68 which means he likely would have been born in 1947; that is exactly when TUE says "Rockman" was born. Mr. Klees/"Mario", how the heck are you? It's been awhile! Hope all is well!
Very interesting. Very interesting indeed. The interesting thing about this "Rockman" suspect you bring up, is research indicates his middle name is "CARL". Maury added "Carl" to the Rockman pseudonym in some parts - "Reeve Carl Rockman"/"Reeve T. Carl".
I was just commenting on Manny's recent video on YouTube on Rockman on why was the middle name "Carl" added to an already pseudonym name. Hmmmmm.
What doesn't make sense, is why does Maury relay the story with Terry Gardner in North Dakota about a "Rock Man"/musician:
"Gardner chuckled. "I talked to Craig O'Connor, who told me Carr was afraid of a 'Rockman.' I thought he said 'rock man.' I even put it in my notes that way: 'Carr said a rock man is going to kill him, apparently a musician."
"Rock man," I teased again. "Who'd you think it was, David Bowie?"
The musician/rock star connection does not make sense, that Maury brings up, if this indeed is the name. Could be Maury taking some liberties.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 23, 2022 18:12:08 GMT -6
Looking at people search databases, it appears that Carl is actually Steve Trachtman's real middle name. I guess Maury didn't consider the middle name sufficiently distinctive to protect. And with that idea in mind (that middle names are likely to be unchanged), the "T" as a middle initial in "Reeve T. Carl" could very likely be Trachtman. I was also wondering about the "rock man"/David Bowie dialogue in TUE. Given that the conversation wouldn't make much sense unless it really was "Rockman", that actually left me believing for quite some time that Steve Rockman was our guy. Knowing that it's Trachtman does confirm a reasonable suspicion that myself and others have had: that at least some of the dialogue in TUE is made up as a plot device. I mean, it was always unlikely that Maury would remember years worth of conversations word-for-word anyway. As long as the underlying facts themselves are solid I can't really complain. Let's just say that Trachtman's work history during the time of Son of Sam is incredibly provocative, especially with respect to the theory that the murders of Donna Lauria and Christine Freund (which TUE acknowledges were contract hits against these specific victims) had something to do with the Nugan Hand heroin ring.
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Post by Omega on Jun 23, 2022 18:33:59 GMT -6
Let's just say that I hope Ye Olde Professor is taking his blood pressure meds when he see "Rockman's" resume showing "CITIBANK" and "Performed Financial Audits of Hospital & Health Care industry clients (Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, Brookdale Medical Center)"
And oh, "Senior ACCOUNTANT"!
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Post by tomdex on Jun 23, 2022 18:55:42 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing the links and the archive.org mirror. I was actually the one who uploaded the mirror yesterday, and unfortunately spent so long trying to make my Internet cooperate that I haven't had a chance to listen to the tapes yet. But yeah, this is absolutely a goldmine, no doubt filled with a lot that will corroborate and/or shed additional light on what's written in TUE. Hopefully the NYPD investigative files get uploaded to the site as well. I'm particularly interested in what kinds of leads were being pursued about the victims' lives before they were all linked to the Son of Sam spree. Some heretofore unknown Maury Terry pseudonyms have also been filled in by the website; apparently the elusive "Reeve Rockman" is in fact Steve Trachtman. There is a Great Neck NY (on Long Island) resident by that name who appears in this 2015 video about volunteering for the local fire department. He gives his age as 68 which means he likely would have been born in 1947; that is exactly when TUE says "Rockman" was born. Mr. Klees/"Mario", how the heck are you? It's been awhile! Hope all is well!
Very interesting. Very interesting indeed. The interesting thing about this "Rockman" suspect you bring up, is research indicates his middle name is "CARL". Maury added "Carl" to the Rockman pseudonym in some parts - "Reeve Carl Rockman"/"Reeve T. Carl".
I was just commenting on Manny's recent video on YouTube on Rockman on why was the middle name "Carl" added to an already pseudonym name. Hmmmmm.
What doesn't make sense, is why does Maury relay the story with Terry Gardner in North Dakota about a "Rock Man"/musician:
"Gardner chuckled. "I talked to Craig O'Connor, who told me Carr was afraid of a 'Rockman.' I thought he said 'rock man.' I even put it in my notes that way: 'Carr said a rock man is going to kill him, apparently a musician."
"Rock man," I teased again. "Who'd you think it was, David Bowie?"
The musician/rock star connection does not make sense, that Maury brings up, if this indeed is the name. Could be Maury taking some liberties.
Envision the conversation like this: "Carr was afraid of a 'Trackman'. I even put it in my notes that way: 'Carr said a track man is going to kill him'. 'Track man', I teased again. Who'd you think it was, Bruce Jenner?" Or better yet, "Who'd you think it was, Steve Prefontaine?" Make sense now? One of the AKAs that shows up for Trachtman on numerous people search sites is "Steve Trackman".
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 23, 2022 20:43:19 GMT -6
Let's just say that I hope Ye Olde Professor is taking his blood pressure meds when he see "Rockman's" resume showing "CITIBANK" and "Performed Financial Audits of Hospital & Health Care industry clients (Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, Brookdale Medical Center)" And oh, "Senior ACCOUNTANT"! In fact, per TUE, Trachtman worked for Citibank in the exact same building where Christine Freund worked for Reynolds Securities. From p.479-480 of the 1999 edition: Being in the same building would certainly make it easier to coordinate the correspondent banking relationship between Nugan Hand, Citibank, and Reynolds Securities that the Professor has previously mentioned.
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Post by Jon on Jun 23, 2022 21:35:11 GMT -6
And just imagine the confusion that existed *before* anyone knew Trachtman's name. "Reeve Rockman" isn't even the most baffling example of Maury's suspect aliases/composites.
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Post by tomdex on Jun 23, 2022 22:12:21 GMT -6
And just imagine the confusion that existed *before* anyone knew Trachtman's name. "Reeve Rockman" isn't even the most baffling example of Maury's suspect aliases/composites. As soon as I saw Trachtman's AKAs for the first time, I got the TUE joke. Do you think Maury was aware of your former suspect Steve Rockman, and chose that pseudonym intentionally? I myself think it's a possibility. The one pseudonym that makes no sense is "Gorman Johnson" for Norman Silberstein.
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Post by tjtennispro on Jun 23, 2022 22:47:07 GMT -6
Are we still thinking this has ties to the Dermond Murders in Georgia mentioned back in the Nugan Hand thread?! Let's just say that I hope Ye Olde Professor is taking his blood pressure meds when he see "Rockman's" resume showing "CITIBANK" and "Performed Financial Audits of Hospital & Health Care industry clients (Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, Brookdale Medical Center)" And oh, "Senior ACCOUNTANT"! In fact, per TUE, Trachtman worked for Citibank in the exact same building where Christine Freund worked for Reynolds Securities. From p.479-480 of the 1999 edition: Being in the same building would certainly make it easier to coordinate the correspondent banking relationship between Nugan Hand, Citibank, and Reynolds Securities that the Professor has previously mentioned.
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Post by Jon on Jun 23, 2022 22:50:52 GMT -6
And just imagine the confusion that existed *before* anyone knew Trachtman's name. "Reeve Rockman" isn't even the most baffling example of Maury's suspect aliases/composites. As soon as I saw Trachtman's AKAs for the first time, I got the TUE joke. Do you think Maury was aware of your former suspect Steve Rockman, and chose that pseudonym intentionally? I myself think it's a possibility. The one pseudonym that makes no sense is "Gorman Johnson" for Norman Silberstein. I've wondered about that a lot. Steve Rockman matched the description of "Reeve" to such an eerie extent that it's hard to chalk up that description to coincidence. The "Gorman" part of the Norman Silberstein alias was almost certainly a reference to David O'Gorman, who also lived across the street from Berkowitz's building, but why Maury chose a name so potentially ripe for confusion is anyone's guess. The real kicker for me, though, was the "British doctor" who settled in Yonkers in 1946 or '47 and is supposed to have inaugurated the cult. The doc is actually a composite of at least three people, neither all physicians nor all British. (That being said, however, the evidence does point squarely in their direction. It just drives you nuts when you're looking for literally one doc who had a practice on North Broadway after the war.)
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Post by barney on Jun 24, 2022 1:33:19 GMT -6
Looking at people search databases, it appears that Carl is actually Steve Trachtman's real middle name. I guess Maury didn't consider the middle name sufficiently distinctive to protect. And with that idea in mind (that middle names are likely to be unchanged), the "T" as a middle initial in "Reeve T. Carl" could very likely be Trachtman. I was also wondering about the "rock man"/David Bowie dialogue in TUE. Given that the conversation wouldn't make much sense unless it really was "Rockman", that actually left me believing for quite some time that Steve Rockman was our guy. Knowing that it's Trachtman does confirm a reasonable suspicion that myself and others have had: that at least some of the dialogue in TUE is made up as a plot device. I mean, it was always unlikely that Maury would remember years worth of conversations word-for-word anyway. As long as the underlying facts themselves are solid I can't really complain. Let's just say that Trachtman's work history during the time of Son of Sam is incredibly provocative, especially with respect to the theory that the murders of Donna Lauria and Christine Freund (which TUE acknowledges were contract hits against these specific victims) had something to do with the Nugan Hand heroin ring. Don't forget the legal case against Lyndon LaRouche by William Weld in Boston during 1987. Credit Suisse where Trachtman was employed from 87-94 had been an asset of the Weld family going back decades. Weld would allow Bank of Boston to get away with drug money laundering with just a slap on the wrist in 1984. William Weld would later be joined in the federal prosecution of LaRouche by John Markham III the attorney of record for the Process Church of the Final Judgement. larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1986/eirv13n33-19860822/eirv13n33-19860822_060-the_case_against_william_weld.pdf
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