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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 13, 2022 22:19:06 GMT -6
Thanks, guys! Well, for the moment, so long as he behaves himself and keeps coming up with all these great documents and guests, what the hell, I'll go along. It's easier than me trying to do everything myself. So, bear with us!
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Post by barney on Apr 23, 2022 13:20:10 GMT -6
Thanks, guys! Well, for the moment, so long as he behaves himself and keeps coming up with all these great documents and guests, what the hell, I'll go along. It's easier than me trying to do everything myself. So, bear with us! Manny Grossman just went on Twitter and posted a copy of a formal letter absolving the Process Church of any involvement in the SOS case. That seems to be his underlying motive.
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 24, 2022 17:07:08 GMT -6
He pretty much came unglued yesterday. SMH.
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Post by barney on Apr 24, 2022 23:01:11 GMT -6
He pretty much came unglued yesterday. SMH. Manny blocked me on Twitter and I am not a high profile or vocal critic of his. When I say he is an apologist for the Process Church I am stating the obvious.
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Post by frogger52 on Apr 25, 2022 14:28:45 GMT -6
In other breaking news, the sun rose in the East this AM.
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Post by barney on Apr 25, 2022 17:16:31 GMT -6
In other breaking news, the sun rose in the East this AM. He is now comparing the phraseology in multiple SOS letters sent to police, and Jimmy Breslin and this to him has some incredible meaning. He doesn't want any talk that the letters clearly appear to have been written by different people , just as there were different shooters in the SOS case. He shows and reads a letter from Berkowitz to then Mayor Beame which names Sam Carr and John Wheat Carr as culprits in the murders. In the Berkowitz/Beame Letter Manny is enthralled that Berky didn't call John Carr by his alleged nickname "Wheaties". This somehow has great significance to this mental midget. If you're going to identify murderers as Berkowitz is doing in his letter would you use "nicknames"? I would not. And what about NYPD Yonkers Police and NYC Mayor Beame. David Berkowitz identifies himself and identifies Sam Carr and John Carr as murderers and yet nothing was done about it. That's what is of interest. This guy thinks he's a genius but he is dumb as a rock.
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Post by tomdex on Apr 25, 2022 17:55:29 GMT -6
He pretty much came unglued yesterday. SMH. He's been unglued pretty much the entirety of the last year. This nitwit still can't grasp the concept that THE APARTMENT WAS STAGED after Berkowitz drew the short straw to be the fall guy. These "new, paradigm-shattering" letters were part of that staging.
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Post by barney on Apr 25, 2022 18:15:16 GMT -6
He pretty much came unglued yesterday. SMH. He's been unglued pretty much the entirety of the last year. This nitwit still can't grasp the concept that THE APARTMENT WAS STAGED after Berkowitz drew the short straw to be the fall guy. These "new, paradigm-shattering" letters were part of that staging. Here is what he tells a journalist in a March 10, 2022 interview. He simply wants to debunk Terry and specifically the Process Church of the Final Judgement. QUOTE: Grossman informed me that he, along with his colleagues, has conclusively shown that there was most likely no international satanic conspiracy, no Process and certainly no Charles Manson connection. “Maury laid the blame of the Son of Sam at the feet of an international cult and also brought players like Charlie Manson into the story. Whereas, what we have done, is localized the story to the immediate area where Berkowitz lived.’’ then adding, “There’s no doubt Berkowitz had accomplices, but not a huge gang of 22 people. At most, he worked with a handful of others.’’ What Grossman has uncovered, he believes, has the ability to disprove Maury’s initial premise entirely. Grossman believes the Son of Sam crimes were originally exclusive to Wicker street in Yonkers, which Grossman thinks is a direct correlation to the eerie clue left by the killer in the Breslin letter; “The Wicked King Wicker.’’ Concluding that the Son of Sam’s crimes were hyper-local, rather than an outreaching international conspiracy.
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Post by frogger52 on Apr 25, 2022 23:28:31 GMT -6
No question the druggie losers that hung out at Untermyer Park were into satanism and the occult. And no question in my mind that Berk, the Carrs and possibly others from Untermyer were involved in the SOS shootings. I'm doubtful, but open to my mind being changed with evidence, that upper levels of Scientologists/Process Church from outside of Westchester were involved. And once Berkie was caught, the NYPD decided they were going to stick with the single shooter scenario and NOTHING was going to change that narrative. Josh Zeman(filmmaker who produced the Netflix documentary) recently posted in Carl DeNaro's FB group that he has seen all of Maury's files and there is nothing groundbreaking there. And with all the time that has passed and probably most if not all of the 22 Disciples gone, its doubtful that we will ever know the whole truth behind these shootings. Even Berkie seems resigned to taking his secrets to the grave.
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Post by barney on Apr 26, 2022 4:15:28 GMT -6
No question the druggie losers that hung out at Untermyer Park were into satanism and the occult. And no question in my mind that Berk, the Carrs and possibly others from Untermyer were involved in the SOS shootings. I'm doubtful, but open to my mind being changed with evidence, that upper levels of Scientologists/Process Church from outside of Westchester were involved. And once Berkie was caught, the NYPD decided they were going to stick with the single shooter scenario and NOTHING was going to change that narrative. Josh Zeman(filmmaker who produced the Netflix documentary) recently posted in Carl DeNaro's FB group that he has seen all of Maury's files and there is nothing groundbreaking there. And with all the time that has passed and probably most if not all of the 22 Disciples gone, its doubtful that we will ever know the whole truth behind these shootings. Even Berkie seems resigned to taking his secrets to the grave. Well then you and Manny are on the same wave length so it's funny he would ban you from his media vehicles. As I wrote earlier De Grimston (sp) has a Face Book page where he downloaded a 1980's Charles Manson interview where Manson confirmed his membership into both Scientology and the Process. The second video is Berkowitz from the 1990's and he tells his indoctrination into Satanism included the belief that Lucifer and Jesus worked hand in hand to bring about end times. As I wrote earlier this is straight from the Process playbook. De Grimston, Manson and Berkowitz all debunk your theory of some small local cult being behind the murders. These killers represented by Manson and Berkowitz have to have a great degree of political clout and protection. Berkowitz wrote a letter to NY Mayor Beame and straight out told the Mayor that the Carrs were murdering people and that he was a part of it all. The Mayor or those that screen his mail did nothing. Recall recently the Golden State killer was a police officer. One thing I know for certain in my life time both the counter culture and jack the Ripper styled serial killing have been exported into the United States by the British Empire and both commenced after the unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy.
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Post by barney on Apr 26, 2022 4:18:43 GMT -6
And in case you missed it here is a slug I made under Richard Helms and Cargill having to do with David Berkowitz and his Tavistock (England) shrink. QUOTE:
Mar 8, 2022 at 1:57am QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by barney on Mar 8, 2022 at 1:57am
I wanted to add a couple of families that intersect both Cargill and the Son of Sam killings.
Inger McCabe Elliot a socialite who's experience with a con man was dramatized in the movie "Six Degrees of Separation" was portrayed by Stockard Channing. Her father David Abrahamsen was David Berkowitz's shrink. This man held positions with the notorious TAVISTOCK CLINIC as well as the London School of Economics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Abrahamsen
Inger would marry Minnesota native and Newsweek journalist Robert Karr McCabe. McCabe's family ran a grain trading business McCabe Bros & Co. and by the close of the 1960's would merge their assets in with the Cargill Company. Inger would divorce McCabe and marry an even higher level Newsweek man "Osborn Elliot", who was once offered a job by NYC Mayor Beame (sp?) for a newly created position for economic development. By the way "Wheaties Carr" Sam's daughter would also marry a man named McCabe when she married Yonkers police detective John McCabe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inger_McCabe_Elliott
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Post by frogger52 on Apr 26, 2022 16:22:08 GMT -6
And in case you missed it here is a slug I made under Richard Helms and Cargill having to do with David Berkowitz and his Tavistock (England) shrink. QUOTE: Mar 8, 2022 at 1:57am QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by barney on Mar 8, 2022 at 1:57am I wanted to add a couple of families that intersect both Cargill and the Son of Sam killings. Inger McCabe Elliot a socialite who's experience with a con man was dramatized in the movie "Six Degrees of Separation" was portrayed by Stockard Channing. Her father David Abrahamsen was David Berkowitz's shrink. This man held positions with the notorious TAVISTOCK CLINIC as well as the London School of Economics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Abrahamsen Inger would marry Minnesota native and Newsweek journalist Robert Karr McCabe. McCabe's family ran a grain trading business McCabe Bros & Co. and by the close of the 1960's would merge their assets in with the Cargill Company. Inger would divorce McCabe and marry an even higher level Newsweek man "Osborn Elliot", who was once offered a job by NYC Mayor Beame (sp?) for a newly created position for economic development. By the way "Wheaties Carr" Sam's daughter would also marry a man named McCabe when she married Yonkers police detective John McCabe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inger_McCabe_Elliott
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Post by frogger52 on Apr 26, 2022 16:22:22 GMT -6
Yes, it looks like Manny and I are now on the same wavelength. However, when he booted me out we were definitely NOT in sync. He was into vast international satanist conspiracies at that time, which I reject. I need to see evidence, not just wild speculation. Plus I'm not convinced his change of mind. or anything else about him, is real. He's a dishonest self promoter.
As one of the detectives accurately pointed out in the Netflix documentary, just because A knows B and B knows C, it doesn't necessarily mean that A,B, and C are involved in a conspiracy. It most likely means that evil exists in all of us and that bad people hang out with bad people.
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Post by barney on Apr 27, 2022 9:15:52 GMT -6
Yes, it looks like Manny and I are now on the same wavelength. However, when he booted me out we were definitely NOT in sync. He was into vast international satanist conspiracies at that time, which I reject. I need to see evidence, not just wild speculation. Plus I'm not convinced his change of mind. or anything else about him, is real. He's a dishonest self promoter. As one of the detectives accurately pointed out in the Netflix documentary, just because A knows B and B knows C, it doesn't necessarily mean that A,B, and C are involved in a conspiracy. It most likely means that evil exists in all of us and that bad people hang out with bad people. Frogger, if you could provide proof that Grossman ever believed in the Process Church of the Final Judgement as being central in the SOS and Manson case I would like to read it, watch it whatever the documentation is. Ever since I ran across him his sole goal seems to be debunking Maury's conclusion that the Sam cult was a part of the British Process Church. Thanks
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Post by trucrimefan on Apr 27, 2022 18:20:06 GMT -6
Manny seems to be more obsessed with trying to discredit Maury Terry than actually solving the SoS mystery. Word is that Manny had repeatedly reached out to Terry to offer his help and to get him to share his files, but Terry basically snubbed him and wasn’t interested. Since then, Manny seems to have held a life long grudge against him and it’s obvious in his videos where he is constantly looking to prove him wrong or claim that he is the first to uncover new information that Terry missed. His hurt ego is in display with each video he releases.
Another thing to note, Manny seems to burn every bridge he crossed. He can’t seem to get along with other researchers for very long unless they are agreeing with him unconditionally. He turned on the two original researchers who helped him early on in his videos, can’t recall their names but they ended up not speaking to him any more. He turned on Gwen who has her won SoS Facebook page, he turned in Carl, he turned on Jason Goodman, he bad mouthed Det Cinotti after the man was kind and generous enough to have him into his home. Manny bites the hand that feeds him and steals other people’s research without giving them credit. He is a thin-skinned glory hound trying to make a name for himself. Buyer beware.
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