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Post by barney on Apr 28, 2022 8:08:13 GMT -6
Manny seems to be more obsessed with trying to discredit Maury Terry than actually solving the SoS mystery. Word is that Manny had repeatedly reached out to Terry to offer his help and to get him to share his files, but Terry basically snubbed him and wasn’t interested. Since then, Manny seems to have held a life long grudge against him and it’s obvious in his videos where he is constantly looking to prove him wrong or claim that he is the first to uncover new information that Terry missed. His hurt ego is in display with each video he releases. Another thing to note, Manny seems to burn every bridge he crossed. He can’t seem to get along with other researchers for very long unless they are agreeing with him unconditionally. He turned on the two original researchers who helped him early on in his videos, can’t recall their names but they ended up not speaking to him any more. He turned on Gwen who has her won SoS Facebook page, he turned in Carl, he turned on Jason Goodman, he bad mouthed Det Cinotti after the man was kind and generous enough to have him into his home. Manny bites the hand that feeds him and steals other people’s research without giving them credit. He is a thin-skinned glory hound trying to make a name for himself. Buyer beware. That's partially accurate. He wants to discredit Maury Terry only as it relates to the Process. As far as asking to see Maury's files that also makes sense as he likely wanted to see what evidence Maury had regarding the Process. I don't find his research or perhaps I should say his conclusions very convincing. He was using letters of SOS a week back and instead of mentioning the different handwritings he instead featured common expressions used in known Berkowitz writings with identical expressions in other letters. I just didn't get the point. They're a group of people who got together around certain central themes so it's no surprise they would express these themes in their writings to authorities.
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Post by trucrimefan on Apr 29, 2022 15:37:29 GMT -6
I see Manny pulled the two videos off his YouTube channel that included Professor Horan. Hmmm. This guy is so thin-skinned and easily triggered. He also took down his rant video about Ed Opperman. Not that I’m a fan of Ed either, but Manny can’t seem to get along with anyone for any length of time. How much longer before his goomba sidekick Neo outlives his usefulness to Manny and gets kicked to the curb?
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Post by tomdex on Apr 30, 2022 12:05:52 GMT -6
Yes, it looks like Manny and I are now on the same wavelength. However, when he booted me out we were definitely NOT in sync. He was into vast international satanist conspiracies at that time, which I reject. I need to see evidence, not just wild speculation. Plus I'm not convinced his change of mind. or anything else about him, is real. He's a dishonest self promoter. As one of the detectives accurately pointed out in the Netflix documentary, just because A knows B and B knows C, it doesn't necessarily mean that A,B, and C are involved in a conspiracy. It most likely means that evil exists in all of us and that bad people hang out with bad people. Frogger, if you could provide proof that Grossman ever believed in the Process Church of the Final Judgement as being central in the SOS and Manson case I would like to read it, watch it whatever the documentation is. Ever since I ran across him his sole goal seems to be debunking Maury's conclusion that the Sam cult was a part of the British Process Church. Thanks In one of Manny's first videos, wherein he had professed to be "on the fence" about Process involvement, he related a story about his parents taking him to a site at 4 or 5 years old, a site that has been alleged to have had cult activity over the years. Can't recall if it was Untermyer Park or Pelham Bay Park, would have to see if he hasn't "curated" that video... Anyway, he said he was taken to this site, remembered it vividly, and when he asked his parents about it as an adult they were upset and adamant that he was mistaken. He was then asked in the comments if his parents could have belonged to the Process and he went off the rails. Subsequently, he went on his "Lake Avenue", "Troop 4 and 12" witch hunt and started mocking anybody and everybody who brought up the Process. Methinks he doth protest too much...
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Post by craigiscraig on Apr 30, 2022 15:39:34 GMT -6
I see Manny pulled the two videos off his YouTube channel that included Professor Horan. Hmmm. This guy is so thin-skinned and easily triggered. He also took down his rant video about Ed Opperman. Not that I’m a fan of Ed either, but Manny can’t seem to get along with anyone for any length of time. How much longer before his goomba sidekick Neo outlives his usefulness to Manny and gets kicked to the curb? I think once NEO realizes he has been almost solely responsible for paying Manny's rent for the past few months he'll strike out on his own.
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Post by frogger52 on May 1, 2022 18:49:02 GMT -6
Well, we won't have Manny Grossman to kick around any more. He announced today that he ending his video series, including "Manny Monday". Among other reasons, he said,"I also don't want to be seen as a grifter who takes your money and produces no content". Too late for that.
I don't know what specifically caused him to make this decision, but with the number of people he alienated and probable unsubscribes, my guess is the site simply became a money loser. Or its possible someone was getting ready to expose him as the con man he is. In any case, it's a good day on planet Earth.
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Post by trucrimefan on May 1, 2022 22:01:04 GMT -6
He lost the plot months ago. He’s been buying time, stringing everyone along with his conspiracy theories and twists and turns. All of the special guests who were residents of Yonkers 45 years ago giving their second hand accounts of what they think happened amounted to a big nothing. Maybe now he realizes just how much work Maury put into this investigation and research, and he did it all without the convenience of the internet. He pounded the pavement door to door, established connections and sources, and investigated leads. He may not have gotten everything right, but it was his life’s work and ungrateful glory hounds like Josh Zeman and Manny wanted to discredit him and make a name for themselves.
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Post by frogger52 on May 2, 2022 18:39:35 GMT -6
Well said trucrimefan, although I would not lump Zeman and Grossman together. I thought Zeman's documentary was fair to Maury; critical but without being personally insulting and didn't dismiss MT's work in its entirety. Grossman, on the other hand, is a low rent scam artist with a narcissistic personality disorder.
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Post by tomdex on May 2, 2022 20:48:24 GMT -6
Well, we won't have Manny Grossman to kick around any more. He announced today that he ending his video series, including "Manny Monday". Among other reasons, he said,"I also don't want to be seen as a grifter who takes your money and produces no content". Too late for that. I don't know what specifically caused him to make this decision, but with the number of people he alienated and probable unsubscribes, my guess is the site simply became a money loser. Or its possible someone was getting ready to expose him as the con man he is. In any case, it's a good day on planet Earth. I'll take door #2... Word on the street is two seperate avenues are being investigated...a relative that may have been associated with the Process is one, and his father's connection to Abner Grossman, and thereby being connected to Dyer Grossman, is the other. The other word on the street is that Neo bailed on Manny; no details yet as to why.
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Post by tomdex on May 2, 2022 20:53:35 GMT -6
Well said trucrimefan, although I would not lump Zeman and Grossman together. I thought Zeman's documentary was fair to Maury; critical but without being personally insulting and didn't dismiss MT's work in its entirety. Grossman, on the other hand, is a low rent scam artist with a narcissistic personality disorder. Zeman's documentary was fair up until Part 4, then it degenerated into pure character assassination.
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Post by craigiscraig on May 3, 2022 2:17:54 GMT -6
"I'll take door #2... Word on the street is two seperate avenues are being investigated...a relative that may have been associated with the Process is one, and his father's connection to Abner Grossman, and thereby being connected to Dyer Grossman, is the other." If you google Dyer Grossman you will run across a newspaper article with a pic. Dyer is the spitting image of Manny minus the hair of course. You can't tell me they aren't relatives. "The other word on the street is that Neo bailed on Manny; no details yet as to why." Probably got sick of supplying Grossboy with all his material only to have Manny make money off of and take credit for it.
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Post by barney on May 3, 2022 14:49:25 GMT -6
Well, we won't have Manny Grossman to kick around any more. He announced today that he ending his video series, including "Manny Monday". Among other reasons, he said,"I also don't want to be seen as a grifter who takes your money and produces no content". Too late for that. I don't know what specifically caused him to make this decision, but with the number of people he alienated and probable unsubscribes, my guess is the site simply became a money loser. Or its possible someone was getting ready to expose him as the con man he is. In any case, it's a good day on planet Earth. I'll take door #2... Word on the street is two seperate avenues are being investigated...a relative that may have been associated with the Process is one, and his father's connection to Abner Grossman, and thereby being connected to Dyer Grossman, is the other. The other word on the street is that Neo bailed on Manny; no details yet as to why.
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Post by barney on May 3, 2022 14:50:24 GMT -6
I'll take door #2... Word on the street is two seperate avenues are being investigated...a relative that may have been associated with the Process is one, and his father's connection to Abner Grossman, and thereby being connected to Dyer Grossman, is the other. The other word on the street is that Neo bailed on Manny; no details yet as to why. How long have you known about the Grossmans? This could clinch it for Manny the Process apologist. www.newspapers.com/clip/90946587/dyer-grossman-north-fox-island/
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Post by trucrimefan on May 3, 2022 17:21:25 GMT -6
I'll take door #2... Word on the street is two seperate avenues are being investigated...a relative that may have been associated with the Process is one, and his father's connection to Abner Grossman, and thereby being connected to Dyer Grossman, is the other. The other word on the street is that Neo bailed on Manny; no details yet as to why. Who was Abner Grossman? I can’t find anything on him.
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Post by craigiscraig on May 4, 2022 16:29:25 GMT -6
Who was Abner Grossman? I can’t find anything on him. Abner was Dyer Grossman's father. He doesn't really hold any significance to the story beyond that. It's believed he is the uncle of Manny's father Jim. Working on verifying that.
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Post by barney on May 4, 2022 17:31:57 GMT -6
Who was Abner Grossman? I can’t find anything on him. Abner was Dyer Grossman's father. He doesn't really hold any significance to the story beyond that. It's believed he is the uncle of Manny's father Jim. Working on verifying that. Jim Grossman Bronx NY, work history from Linkedin. Worked at New York State assembly several months after Berkowitz was arrested. If you look at his Army record you find he was stationed in Seoul Korea and Berkowitz would also be deployed by US Army to Seoul Korea. Jim also was a writer for the Wall Street Urinal. This is a very fruitful lead in my opinion regarding the SOS case Consultant Self-employedSelf-employed Nov 2012 - Present · 9 yrs 7 mos Executive VP Executive VP Rubenstein Associates Jun 1982 - Nov 2012 · 30 yrs 6 mos Jun 1982 - Nov 2012 · 30 yrs 6 mos Executive Assistant Executive Assistant NYS Assembly NYS Assembly Nov 1977 - Jun 1982 · 4 yrs 8 mos Nov 1977 - Jun 1982 · 4 yrs 8 mos Assistant Editor Assistant Editor Consumer Reports Oct 1970 - Jun 1976 · 5 yrs 9 mos Oct 1970 - Jun 1976 · 5 yrs 9 mos The Wall Street Journal logo Copy Editor, National News Desk Copy Editor, National News Desk The Wall Street Journal Jun 1969 - Oct 1970 · 1 yr 5 mos Jun 1969 - Oct 1970 · 1 yr 5 mos US Army logo Captain US Army Sep 1964 - Jun 1970 · 5 yrs 10 mos Active duty 1964-66 as Supply Officer, 763rd Transportation Battalion, Ft. Eustis, Va.; Commanding Officer, 584th Intelligence Detachment, 8th Army Headquarters, Seoul, Korea. Reserves 1966-1970.Active duty 1964-66 as Supply Officer, 763rd Transportation Battalion, Ft. Eustis, Va.; Commanding Officer, 584th Intelligence Detachment, 8th Army Headquarters, Seoul, Korea. Reserves 1966-1970. Reporter Pittsburgh Press, Charlotte Observer, San Juan Star Pittsburgh Press, Charlotte Observer, San Juan Star Feb 1967 - Jun 1969 · 2 yrs 5 mos
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