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Post by hope on Oct 22, 2022 1:44:16 GMT -6
No, I really don't believe Marty had any prior knowledge or involvement.
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Post by heatherspec on Sept 25, 2023 14:32:33 GMT -6
I have been doing a lot of digging into this case. I started down the rabbit hold at Keddie28, but things seem so complicated over there. Maybe someone can fill in some blanks here for me, but here is my 2 cents.
Affairs- I dont think these homicides has anything to do with affairs. Who would bludgeon 3 people, killing a third over an affair. No impossible, but Im keeping this one low on my list.
Baby and the Meeks - Again, who is going to bludgeon 3 people to death over the adoption of a baby? The implication of Sheila being a conspitor due to being forced to give up her baby seems like a stretch as well. Why would the Meeks, or Marty or whoever did it, trust a 14 year old girl enough to do something so vile, not knowing if she'd ever snitch? Are 14 year olds really that trusting? If she knows something, she had been surprisingly silent and maybe she will take it to the grave, but she seems too willing to try and find the killers to be involved in any capacity.
The Seabolts - Did they have anything against Sue or the Sharp family? I don't know enough about them.
Sheila - I really dont believe she was a co-conspiritor. Perhaps I am being naive but 14 year olds aren't known to kill their entire family. Yes, I am aware of Jasmine Richardson who was convicted of killing her family, at 12, so not unheard of but would she really want that? Yes, in the end she moved closer to the baby so she technically did benefit from the homicides, but its seems so extreme. Do we know who adopted the baby? Did Sheila ever get to see the baby when she moved closer? Did they maintain a relationship? Sheila also had invited Alice? over for a sleepover the night of the murders but Alices mom said no. Shila wanted to also invite others too, but when Alice wasn't allowed that plan died. Why would Sheila invite girls over if she knew a murder was going to happen?
Justin - Where is he now? If his dad was one of the 2 men who were responsible, why did he come with a "dream" and assisting a sketch artist in this? Why wouldn't they just tell him to shut up, and pretend to have sleep thought it. Did Justin come out and say he was awake right away? Now that his dad has passed away he shouldn't have reason not to tell the truth now? Justin being in the house is confusing. I dont think Justin had anything to do with it, and I mostly feel badly for him. Maybe his mind blocked it out because he was so young? I still have questions
Greg - Everyone says all the boys were sleeping but there is an interview in which Greg says he too woke up, and Justin was already up and he saw mommy, Johnny and Dana. Did he just go back to bed? Or did he wake up before the murders and everything was still find. Did the killers see the boys and tell them to go back to bed? Or did Justin bring him back to bed? Greg never said he recognized anyone else. It's confusing why the boys were left in the bedroom, and they just went back to sleep. You would think they'd be scared and not able to sleep.
Steve D has lots to say but nothing he says makes sense. Nothing really matches with anyone else has to say either as far as far as that group are concerned. He says he was with Greg Hardy, then changes it to being with Sarah (I can't remember her last name)'s house and got pablum for her baby, then he says he was with Frank Ames's and saw Charles Meeks after dropping J & D off at the Exxon. Clyde Smith says Steve D was at his house, but Steve never corroborates that. Clyde also doesn't mention seeing Frank even thought Steve says he was with Frank. Richard Meeks says he was at the Arcade with Steve D and Mike Hamilton, but doesn't say anything about Frank. Richard also can't find ANY of his bandana's, even though he confirms he is always wearing a red one and Johnny always wears a blue one. Charlies Meeks doesn't corroborate Steve D's stories either even though Steve said he went and saw him. Then there is Pat Dorris who picked up Donna Williams a month after the homicides and Donna was very drunk saying the FBI were going to arrest her. Donna claimed to be the person who gave D&J a ride to the Exxon early evening, and then later a ride to Keddie around 10:30pm.......Why do all of these people have something different to add, but none of their stories match up?
There is an interview saying that one of the girls they boys knew was with a different "Steve" and he had black eyes the day after the murders. She asked where he got them and he didn't really have an answer, just said he got into a fight at a party Saturday night.
There was also a side story of someone (Keddie resident) stealing tip money or money from a band that played at one of these parties. Why was this brought up? The same person who brought this up believed J & D didn't have anything to do with it. In fact they weren't at any parties Friday or Saturday night, that anyone can remember. There was apparently several drug parties that weekend. Clyde confirming he had one as well. Again, J & D were not at ANY party, nor did they have drugs or alcohol in their systems.
There is rumours that Dana and Alyssa Seabolt had started dating. New relationship, only a few weeks old. Now what happens during a new relationship? You want to see that person a lot in the beginning. This could be why J & D planned to go back to Keddie instead of looking to party. If Steve D did in fact pick them up, and drop them back off at the Exxon, it's highly possible that Dana told him that he wanted to get back to Keddie to see Alyssa. Steven might have passed that info to the real killers at some point.
Maybe thats why Sheila wanted to go next door, and sent Tina home. There are rumours that Dana was also the baby daddy, Maybe she was jealous? Wanted to be there or around when they hung out? Told Tina to go home because who wants their little sister hanging out? Sheila's finger prints were found on a lightbulb from the light outside. This is or was the main reason people think she is involved, but maybe she did that so Alyssa and her could sneak out? A coincidence perhaps?
Marty, Bo and Marilyn were all at the bar. Apparently dressed up and making spectacles of themselves as an alibi. In my mind, why would you want to draw attention towards yourself if you plan on killing someone. Wouldn't people remember you coming and going? It is weird that Marilyn story changes as well. I think she is just trying to throw Marty under the bus, but there is something about Marty and Bo that, to me, doesn't make them the killers. Why would they leave the bar, and then return to the bar? Why would they call the bar, further giving themselves an alibi if they were actually killing someone? I dont think they're smart enough to do that.
I don't remember all the Meeks lies, so maybe someone can fill in those blanks for me. Seems like a lot of people are spreading rumours, which is making this case really murky.
In my mind the most likely theory: There are several drug party's all weekend. Friday and Saturday. When people go on benders they often become delusional, irrational, and angry..
J & D definitely weren't at any party (they were sober), but they're not exactly good kids. They used to get in trouble and hung out with the rough crown. We also know there is lots of drugs and theft (money being stolen from the band etc) in Quincy and Keddie. Maybe someone thought John and Dana were responsible for something they weren't. Or maybe they were but nothing in the house indicated they had anything illegal. The killers are high, and believe they need to go rough up the boys to get back whatever it is they think the boys have. Steve D tells someone he know they were home back to Keddie....I think Steve D knows something more. He might have the key to the whole things. Why his story keeps changing really makes him look like he knows something.
Anyway, J & D are sleeping in the living room. Sue goes to sleep in the bedroom where Tina is. The killers come in the backdoor, and quietly sneak up on the boys. They don't have defensive wouldn't so a sneak attack seems likely, or they knew who came into the house. One of their friends, someone from the group who keeps lying and changing their stories. John possibly hit first? Wasn't there blood on Dana's shoes??
Sue comes in, and runs through blood to get to John and she is then attacked but has defensive wounds because she is awake and knows what's coming. I don't know if I necessarily believe the bodies were moved. There isn't drag marks that I can see. Dead people are really heavy. It could be likely that they bleed out while alive, and then tried to get up. Maybe fell down again from being hit a second time, or from being too weak and creating another pool of blood. Not that it matters. The killers tied the boys feet together so they coudn't escape while they were being tortured? They also had to tie up Sue because she was trying to get to Johnny? They used Johnnys bandana to muzzle her when they realized her underwear wasn't doing the job?
I think Tina was scooped out of bed. There was a smear of blood on sheets and on the cardboard from the window? They may have thought she saw them. Perhaps she knew who they were and they didn't know what to do with her so they took her. The younger boys maybe didn't know them so they didn't think it would be a problem if they were seen by them?
It's also possible it was a railway worker or transients but I feel like it was someone J & D knew. And I feel like they were the intended targets. Not Sue or Tina.....
Hopefully someone can fill-in some blanks for me, or correct things for me as well.
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Post by karis on Sept 26, 2023 3:13:26 GMT -6
Thanks for the post Heather. I will try to answer some of the questions you have. But when looking at this case don't rely on my opinions but look into the police files for the information. I think there is alot of confusion in this case because most looking at this put more thought into speculation and trying to rewrite the information that was told in 1981 to make it fit a theory. Also do not get caught up in feeling sorry for anyone in this case. If I did, my feeling would cloud my judgement of this case. Look to the files and you will see a pattern of alot of lying going on by many questioned in this case. You will also see alot of "smoke and mirrors" aimed at deflecting away from a very important part of the case, Tina. She was the only thing of value that was taken from the cabin that night.
1. (Affairs) Like you, I don't believe the murders were about an affair. At the time of Sue's death, she had "seen" Darryl J., who was with his ex wife the night of the murders. I don't believe anyone was willing to kill 3 kids because of their infatuation or "love" of Sue.
2. (the baby and the Meeks) All I can say about that is we don't know the motive of this murder. For years it was assumed by many on these forum's that Sheila was pregnant with Richard Meeks' baby. Little did we know that there were interviews early on about Dana being worried it was his baby. look at the interview with Vernal Mullen, listed as one of Dana's close friends. Also look at the school counselor's reports of Dana an Sheila being close in the weeks before the murders. I would have to say i go with what is in the files. Vernal said Dana was worried and he knew Dana well, so I don't question that. Vernal had no reason to lie. But who knows
3. (Justin) I don't look at Justin as being a victim. He is a grown man who is still refusing to talk. Again, the investigators know more about the files on Justin than we do so I go with that. His DNA seems to be the only DNA at the crime scene besides the victims. And that was as of 2017. The investigators believe the tape with his DNA is important regardless of what anyone else thinks. Justin was a troubled kid. Marilyn tells that in her last interview in 2016(?).
4. (Steve Durham) Steve was a friend of Richard Meeks. I would trust what Pat Doris said about him, "he would lie". I don't think to much about some of the stories that were being told. Johnny and Dana were seen throughout the night hitchhiking. Cruzita J. finally admitted to Mike she gave them a ride home that night between 10-11. So we now know they made it there safely. She didn't mention anyone else being with the boys, just that it was dark in front of the house when she dropped them off.
5. (Greg) Greg said his mom had a tool box which was kept on the floor in the kitchen by the sink(?) it has tools in it. He woke up Saturday night and saw what happened. He saw his mom, johnny and Dana. Justin was up. He didn't see Tina. He said there were three men at the house and then said it was his Mom, Dana, and Justin. (the Crim report)
6. (the stolen money)Look up the Sara Jacob's interview along with Steve's. You can find these reports on Keddietruth's forum.
Like you I don't believe the boys were at a party that night.
Don't get sidetracked on what I or anyone else believes. Go with the facts or statements that were made in 1981. We all have our own theory but the case remains unsolved. One day with the help of DNA I think this case will be solved.
This is also very important, while Marilyn was being interviewed by an investigator in 2016, she kept bringing up what dmac had said on his forum, until he finally said, "i have the files, I know what you said in 1981 and that is all i am interested in, these files". You can find this report on Keddietruth.
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Post by kmik on Sept 26, 2023 17:42:53 GMT -6
I agree that DNA is the only hope for this case and technology has come so far even since Gambergs testing of items in 2014.
Summarized from Gambergs 2014 file:
The fingernail scrapings were submitted in 2004 but were they analyzed? If so why was Meghan advising him to send the bloody print and fingernail scrapings? Did he find and send these items? We don’t know because his files appear as summaries at this point and not original.
Gamberg statement from 2018 Plumas News:
This news story was written in April 2018 and Mike said he was hoping to have more to take to VIDOCQ in September but that trip never happened. Why not? He wasn’t relying on DNA results from the hammer found in the pond because even Dmac has said they knew there would be no DNA on it. So what stopped his visit to Vidocq? Not the budget for sure since this trip would be paid for by VIDOCQ not Plumas.
Did he get some results that he hadn’t expected? Why not let these professionals give their professional opinion on the case? By early 2019 Mike was let go as SI supposedly due to budget - but why didn’t he go to the all expense paid trip to VIDOCQ in 2018?? It makes no sense unless it does
I’m grateful for all the rabbit holes we have gone down because I like to see things for myself but if it’s ever solved I don’t think it will be as complicated as we’ve made it out to be.
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