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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 15, 2018 12:48:01 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Oct 29, 2020 9:59:36 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 20, 2021 23:56:40 GMT -6
I find the tilt of the lamp shade in relation to the curtains very interesting. Was this where the scissors were found? Either way, looks hasty. Maybe I'm weird but crooked shades and pictures send me into ocd overdrive lol
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Post by mew1987 on Dec 13, 2021 19:41:42 GMT -6
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Post by mew1987 on Dec 13, 2021 19:44:13 GMT -6
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Post by mew1987 on Dec 13, 2021 20:19:57 GMT -6
Some thing that bugs me, is that there was no blood on Justin’s bed sheets, or whatever he was wearIng to bed. He said he tried to help Sue the could require him, stepping over both Johnny and Dana, something which Sue also had to have done at some time as she had blood on the soles of her feet on in between her toes.
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Post by snoho17 on Dec 14, 2021 13:40:39 GMT -6
I totally agree with you. We know that fingernail scrapings were taken at autopsy. I personally believe some type of genetic material would have been found. We don't know if those samples were destroyed or contaminated through improper handling/storage. Hair was found in John's hands. At some point those hairs were reexamined and found to have no bulbs and therefore couldn't be tested. That just shows how long its been since the physical evidence was last reexamined. I believe there could still be material available that could be tested, I just don't think pcso has the funds or the inclination to do so.
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Post by snoho17 on Dec 14, 2021 13:54:48 GMT -6
Oh Justin....His mother claimed his shoes were taken by investigators and I tend to believe it. But I do have doubts he put shoes on to walk in the living room. I think investigators took them to compare to prints taken from the scene. The kids probably should have been treated as part of the crime scene.
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Post by mew1987 on Dec 14, 2021 21:20:53 GMT -6
I totally agree with you. We know that fingernail scrapings were taken at autopsy. I personally believe some type of genetic material would have been found. We don't know if those samples were destroyed or contaminated through improper handling/storage. Hair was found in John's hands. At some point those hairs were reexamined and found to have no bulbs and therefore couldn't be tested. That just shows how long its been since the physical evidence was last reexamined. I believe there could still be material available that could be tested, I just don't think pcso has the funds or the inclination to do so. Johnny blonde though wasn’t he? (I think I recall seeing a colour photo of him with blonde hair) Could that have been his own hair?
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Post by snoho17 on Dec 14, 2021 21:55:30 GMT -6
Correct, sheila described Johnny as having darker, dishwater blond hair. I'm assuming there would have been a close comparison on at least two occasions. Unfortunately, now that you got me thinking of it, those samples may be gone with the wind
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Post by karis on Dec 17, 2021 5:57:35 GMT -6
Yes, mew1987, i think i have heard the hair in Johnny's hand was his own.
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Post by hope on Dec 17, 2021 7:28:07 GMT -6
Oh Justin....His mother claimed his shoes were taken by investigators and I tend to believe it. Same. In fact, didn't it turn out Marilyn had been telling the truth about the shoes? 28 wrote about finding reports on Justin's shoes being taken when his Facebook page was active. I vaguely recall hearing some of the hair did belong to Johnny. Was it the hair from the 04 report that said there was not enough root material for DNA extraction? If those hairs still exist they should all be retested. There are labs that can get results from hair fragments nowadays. All those items of evidence. I wish PCSO would reach out and/or accept assistance from an experienced cold case investigator. Or submit the case to a lab such as Othram.
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Post by snoho17 on Dec 17, 2021 12:58:46 GMT -6
I believe the hairs and possibly the scrapings were found MIA when the freezer was defrosted/inventoried......pretty sure I posted on here when I was on a Forcino kick...he was the last to handle the samples...
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Post by hope on Dec 17, 2021 16:04:28 GMT -6
That's what I thought too snoho. The testing of the hair samples and their disappearance from the package was in the evidence freezer report. There was also a LE notation, from a different report, where they questioned if the tan hair could have been Johnny's. Am I remembering this correctly? Edit to add: Evidence Freezer Report - zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/491/evidence-freezer
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Post by mew1987 on Dec 30, 2021 20:34:52 GMT -6
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