Jon
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Post by Jon on Oct 8, 2020 17:41:24 GMT -6
Ghost Story, a bestselling horror novel released in 1979, is my all-time favorite book. I don't want to ruin it for those who haven't read it, so I'll try to keep the spoilers to a minimum. Somewhere near the middle of the book, Straub writes about a group obviously modeled on the Process Church, calling them the XXX (Xala Xalior Xiati). His lead villain is a woman who pops up repeatedly under different names, but always with the initials A.M. (reversed, the initials of Mary Ann de Grimston). A.M. has a mysterious benefactor named Mrs. DePeyser, a takeoff on the name of Gabriel de Peyer, aka "Father Christian" of the Process. It will be remembered that John Carr, while in the Air Force, was stationed at one time in Panama City, Florida. (The Yonkers cult had multiple connections to Florida.) This rather out-of-the-way location is where the prologue and epilogue of Straub's novel (which takes place primarily in New York State) are set. But that's not all. Straub dedicated Ghost Story to Valli Shaio and Gregorio Kohon: psychoanalysis.org.uk/gregorio-kohon-international-activityKohon actually worked with R.D. Laing while Shaio was trained at the Laing-funded (and Freemasonry-associated) Tavistock Institute, notorious for its development of mind control methods. Kohon and Shaio later married. (Another villain in the novel--Gregory Bate, A.M.'s fearsome right-hand man--evidently is named for Gregorio Kohon.) I've been reading and enjoying Ghost Story for thirty years, but it's starting to give me chills for an entirely different reason.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 10, 2020 13:05:33 GMT -6
What's also interesting the book the Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub references the song Tattoo Vampire by Blue Oyster cult. It's on the same album that has Patti Smith on backing vocals to songs like Vera Gemini, which is my favorite song by Blue Oyster Cult. Actually the whole album is great.
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Post by Jon on Oct 10, 2020 14:18:25 GMT -6
What's also interesting the book the Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub references the song Tattoo Vampire by Blue Oyster cult. It's on the same album that has Patti Smith on backing vocals to songs like Vera Gemini, which is my favorite song by Blue Oyster Cult. Actually the whole album is great. Yeah, a lot of BOC's stuff is really good--and Patti Smith's, too. Horses is a fantastic album, but I can't help hearing it in a different way now. I just hope that Lou Reed, my musical main man, was never involved in any of this stuff I neglected to mention that the subject of sheep and cattle mutilation also emerges in Ghost Story, and is attributed to the character modeled on Mary Ann de Grimston. Interesting, because it seems to anticipate certain bizarre features of the Howard Green/Carol Marron murder investigation: in February 1980, police noted that the drifter who was a person of interest in the case "was last seen in Oklahoma near the scene of where several cows were found dead and drained of blood."
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Post by james1983 on Oct 10, 2020 15:23:03 GMT -6
I'm gonna buy it and read it. I'm not a huge fan of novels but do read them from time to time. My favorite is different seasons by Stephen King. Actually it's a collection of short stories. I do like BOC and Velvet Underground. im reading the final jihad by Martin Keating. His brother was Frank Keating, the governor of Oklahoma during the Oklahoma City bombings. What's interesting is this "novel" was sent to publishers in 1991. It's about a guy named Tom McVey who blows up a government building as an act of terrorism. Being that he penned the name Tom McVey, and set up a very similar scenario in which Tim McVeigh did 5 or so years later is rather interesting. Also they're incidents of planes being blown up that resemble real life incidents. It's written really well. It's a good novel, but even better knowing the background.
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Post by Jon on Oct 10, 2020 16:37:54 GMT -6
I'm gonna buy it and read it. I'm not a huge fan of novels but do read them from time to time. My favorite is different seasons by Stephen King. Actually it's a collection of short stories. I do like BOC and Velvet Underground. im reading the final jihad by Martin Keating. His brother was Frank Keating, the governor of Oklahoma during the Oklahoma City bombings. What's interesting is this "novel" was sent to publishers in 1991. It's about a guy named Tom McVey who blows up a government building as an act of terrorism. Being that he penned the name Tom McVey, and set up a very similar scenario in which Tim McVeigh did 5 or so years later is rather interesting. Also they're incidents of planes being blown up that resemble real life incidents. It's written really well. It's a good novel, but even better knowing the background. Cool, I'll check that out--I'm very interested in these anticipatory works of fiction. And then there are books like Cities of the Red Night, which--while it doesn't appear to refer to a real-life murder case--is fascinating because William S. Burroughs did interact with the Process Church and the Magickal Childe crowd to some extent (however briefly), and remained friends with Patti Smith. The globetrotting cult whose escapades are described in Cities was obviously inspired by the Process, and it's possible that Burroughs based the novel's infamous severed head incident on a case that simply was never made public.
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 11, 2020 10:44:26 GMT -6
Interesting that you mention Panama City FL, since that is, according to various researchers like John Caylor and David Harbin, a central location in the so-called Dixie Mafia. Lots of key Dixie Mafia players hail from there, like William G. Harrison (an attorney and lobbyist for various local companies, some involved in dumping toxic waste, who managed Florida campaigns for Jeb Bush and George W. Bush), Charles Hilton (a real-estate developer who helped found the Club for Growth), K. Earl Durden (a prominent businessman and Florida transportation commissioner during the time that Ray Lemme was investigating corruption at the Florida DOT), Guy Tunnell (the sheriff of the county of which Panama City was the seat, who went on to head the Florida Department of Law Enforcement under Jeb Bush, and was also on the board of abusive teen drug rehab Straight Inc.), and Allen "Frog" Johnson (a reported pedophile ring operator who worked for local Panama City law enforcement and was protected by them). I hadn't heard of John Carr's connection there before, but I imagine he was stationed at Tyndall Air Force Base, just outside the city? Tyndall AFB has somewhat of an interesting history itself. In 1999, Raytheon was reported to have sponsored a delegation of top Saudi defense officials at the base. (For whatever it's worth, Ahmed Elkadi, the leader of the US branch of the Muslim Brotherhood from 1984 to 1994, had settled in Panama City in 1979.) At some point in the early 2000s, it was documented by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations that Aztec Environmental Inc. (a company for which Harrison managed affairs) was giving illegal immigrants fake Social Security numbers to work for Aztec on military bases, including Tyndall. There was much speculation at the time that this may have really been a way to import Islamic terrorists into the US and/or facilitate some kind of spy ring.
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2020 15:15:50 GMT -6
Very interesting! Thank you. Yes, Maury Terry mentioned John Carr's stint in Panama City only briefly, but it jumped out at me because my family used to vacation there. Oddly enough, rumors of devil worship swirled around a little motel called the Sea Witch at the western end of the beach; we used to laugh about that, but now I wonder.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 11, 2020 16:32:27 GMT -6
Didn't the oldest Carr brother travel down there to Clearwater to the Scientology headquarters? I also remember an interview Maury gave on the Paranet continuum and stated the Yonkers (I believe) police traveled down to Florida to interview people involved who owned a car dealership, when they came back for a follow up interview the dealership had closed down and the owners moved out of state.
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 11, 2020 17:00:13 GMT -6
Yeah, Michael Carr had gone on some kind of sabbatical to Clearwater, and Berkowitz had in his possession the phone number for the Fort Harrison Hotel (a big Scientology training center) there. Berkowitz also claimed that when he went to Houston to get a .44, he was with a Westchester woman whom he met up with in Clearwater (p.1068 of The Ultimate Evil): The aforementioned Straight Inc. was run by Bush family ally Mel Sembler, a Florida developer in the Clearwater area. One of Straight's facilities was in fact in Clearwater. And the infamous Mark Foley, a big supporter of Straight who was forced to resign in 2006 for sexting teenage congressional pages, got a 2003 award from the Clearwater Business Association, which appears to be another Scientology front.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 13, 2020 16:48:16 GMT -6
Guy Tunnell (the sheriff of the county of which Panama City was the seat, who went on to head the Florida Department of Law Enforcement under Jeb Bush, and was also on the board of abusive teen drug rehab Straight Inc.), You know who was a "patient" at Straight, Inc? Jody LeCornu. And Guy Tunnell ain't the only interesting name associated with that particular brainwashing "treatment" center. Or with Jody LeCornu. You guys mentioned Mel Sembler, real estate developer. His company, along with the bank Jody worked at when she was murdered, built a lot of the shopping centers where Merry Go Round and associated stores went. That's right--a patient/inmate from Straight, Inc, was murdered while working for a bank that was laundering money for corporations whose board of directors included directors of Straight, Inc. right and this mob was associated with the "blowoff" of a massive stock fraud (well, "bankruptcy") a few days after her murder. A massive stock fraud they set in motion a few days after the founder of the bank Jody eventually worked for died in a private plane "accident" in Aspen. Kind of like the way Christine Freund was murdered the weekend before the Nugan Hand bank mob "overthrew" the governments of Australia and New Zealand. While I'm half-assed on that subject, we may need to open a file on an "Aspen Mafia." Cuz there's a lot more...
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 13, 2020 19:39:10 GMT -6
Now that is incredibly weird. To have Jody LeCornu be a "patient" at Mel Sembler's abusive teen bootcamp, and then go on to work for a corrupt bank associated with Sembler's company, really stretches the bounds of coincidence. I've long wondered about exactly what Straight Inc. is up to, and strongly suspect it was some kind of mind control operation. The Springfield VA facility employed a man named George Paul Bishop to track down kids that ran away, who also inserted himself into the Johnny Gosch case early on, claimed to be a CIA agent hired to infiltrate pedophile rings who had "special qualifications" for doing so, and was busted as a pedophile in 2005, no doubt revealing what those "special qualifications" were. Going back further, it is rather strange that Straight's predecessor (the Seed, whose methods were compared to "the highly refined brainwashing techniques employed by the North Koreans") and endorsements can be linked to various fronts for medical experimentation, like the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH).
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 13, 2020 19:48:01 GMT -6
And it is getting somewhat off track, but I would be very interested in pursuing the "Aspen Mafia" as well. Lots of roads seem to lead back to that city (some of which I told you about a few months ago in PMs). "International socialite" Fleet White Sr. (father of John Ramsey's best friend) lived there basically from the 60s until his death in 2006, and was friends with prominent people in Aspen and his native Southern California, who were often invited to his parties. North Fox Island pedophile ring operator Francis Shelden owned property there, the so-called Windigo Ranch. During Ted Bundy's 1977 preliminary trial for the murder of Caryn Campbell, the local undersheriff Ben Meyers (who has his own fascinating history) was picked out in the courtroom instead of Bundy as the murder suspect. In 1985, a cocaine kingpin in Aspen named Steven Grabow was killed by a car bomb, illustrating the organized crime presence there. And flashing forward to 1997, Russian mobster Viktor Kozeny bought a place in Aspen and also forged friendships with their elite, including some of the people Fleet Sr. did like actress Goldie Hawn. Kozeny's criminal connections include Jeffrey Epstein associates Frederic Bourke and George Mitchell, as well as Hank Greenberg's AIG and Mohammed Atta's friend Wolfgang Bohringer.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 13, 2020 20:17:58 GMT -6
Juvenile "treatment" programs like "Straight Inc" were just Dianetics forcibly used on the only population you could legally force it on--juveniles committed to the shithole by their loco parens. You don't need to take control of the minds of every one of thousands of kids. But it's the perfect opportunity to "fish" in your little goldfish bowl for just the right targets for blackmail, abuse, and manipulation. (Which is basically all the "Church" of Scientology is. That, and a pyramid scam. Except that the COS gets people to not only VOLUNTEER for it, they actually PAY to subject themselves to it. The way thousands of Jews bribed their way onto the trains to the "resettlement" camps.) Which is obviously what happened to Jody. And quite a few other kids. And when one ends up murdered, well, "She was a few bricks shy of a full load, and she hung around the wrong crowd her whole life. It was more or less inevitable. She was a drug addict, you know..."
BTW, speaking of Mohammed Atta and getting off track, Carlos "The Jackal" was basically just another phony mass-media scarecrow "terrorist" amazingly similar to the Late, Great Charles Manson.
You know what's funny? Apparently, just about ALL of this stuff is actually on the SAME one, big track. After all.
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Post by Jon on Oct 13, 2020 23:33:43 GMT -6
Going back further, it is rather strange that Straight's predecessor (the Seed, whose methods were compared to "the highly refined brainwashing techniques employed by the North Koreans") and endorsements can be linked to various fronts for medical experimentation, like the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). Some of the names on that chart in the Mother Jones article are very interesting: particularly Daytop, which at some point merged with another drug treatment facility where a certain prominent Son of Sam suspect worked for many years (and where he initially had been a patient himself).
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 13, 2020 23:54:57 GMT -6
Going back further, it is rather strange that Straight's predecessor (the Seed, whose methods were compared to "the highly refined brainwashing techniques employed by the North Koreans") and endorsements can be linked to various fronts for medical experimentation, like the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). Some of the names on that chart in the Mother Jones article are very interesting: particularly Daytop, which at some point merged with another drug treatment facility where a certain prominent Son of Sam suspect worked for many years (and where he initially had been a patient himself). Very interesting indeed. And thanks for providing that clue, by the way; it was enough for me to find the real name of the person you're talking about, which is quite surprisingly close to the name in the book. I think it would be instructive to follow the lineage of these drug "rehab" and youth detention facilities, since it seems like a great number of them are fronts for behavior modification/mind control experiments. My friends John Brisson (whose YouTube channel is We've Read the Documents) and Lee Veltman have been doing some great work on that in the past year.
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