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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 26, 2015 20:58:25 GMT -6
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Post by Brinkley on Jul 9, 2015 9:15:43 GMT -6
The one thing i can't seem to understand is why Land took evidence(blanket) and left the scene with it? Was it because he had kneeled down and left his palm/fingerprints on it,while he was stabbing the victims,and knew he would have had a hard time explaining why they were on there? Thing is,why didn't he just take it right after stabbing the victims,did he leave the scene,and later remembered he might have left his prints on the blanket,and returned to get it? I wonder if the blanket was wet when he returned and gave it to LE,and not just wet with blood? The actions he showed,tells of someone who had done something like that before.I would seriously look into this guy for other unsolved murders around the area years before and years after the so called Z killings.He makes for a good suspect in the Santa Rosa Hitchhicker killings also.I highly doubt those girls would have accepted rides knowing there was a serial killer picking up young girls hitchiking.But they probably would if the vehicle picking them up was a cop,or park ranger vehicle..Something tells me that we have just begun learning about this guy,and there may be alot more to him.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 11, 2015 7:51:14 GMT -6
Brinkley:
Thanks for the comment! For reasons I will soon detail, Dennis Land is by far the best suspect I know of for the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Slayings. For now, consider that, removing the evidence from the scene at Lake Berryessa—something he had been TRAINED to NOT do—would at least explain, in case anyone asked, how his bloody fingerprints got on the evidence, and how Bryan's and Cecelia's blood got on his hands. Wouldn't it?
I know, I know, the Zodiac fanboys are already shrieking, "Maybe the killer wore gloves!" Neither victim mentioned gloves in their description of the assailant, and if you've ever tried to tie knots in hollow core clotheslines while wearing ANY kind of gloves—don't take my word for it. TRY it. See?
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Post by Frank S. on Jul 18, 2015 10:16:32 GMT -6
Wow, The Land brothers. I remember them ordering their cheeseburgers at old A and W in St.Helena, and oogling the high school girls.Good buddies with Phil Stewart. Davo Collins, the old gang. Dave was nice, and so was Ray and the woman he married later, Linda.
The rumor back in the day was Napa had a pipeline to drug dealing in Vallejo and both cities had bad cops dealing, and other nasty behaviors. Hell, I even heard they use to play some truth of dare games and some people died as a result of their "games" Bank in the late 50's and 60's and 70's, we all knew how dirty Napa and Vallejo cops were. Probably still are.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 19, 2015 7:49:37 GMT -6
Frank! Thanks for the comment! It seems that Dennis Land was more or less gay, but of the he-man woman hater type. Coming from a terribly repressed SLA family, he may have simply been afraid of actually having sex with anyone. He matches the description of the guy the three coeds said was staring at them on the beach that day at the lake. He came on duty as a park ranger later that day. It seems likely that Bryan and Cecelia had just had sex when they were attacked, and their attacker may have been watching. Dennis Land and Phil Stewart could have passed for identical twins, judging by their photos. Dave Collins has told some lies to interviewers over the years that sort of cover up for Ray and Dennis. It's no surprise or even suspicious that they were all friends, but it is suspicious that they've all told various lies at various times about the Shepard case. And that so, so many unsolved murders occurred on their watch. There have been a shocking, shocking number of unsolved murders in Napa since WWII. Riverside, by contrast, has zero. (They consider the Bates murder more or less solved.) The joint Napa-Solano narcotics task force was riddled with corrupt officers. That's par for the course in any narcotics unit. Way, way, way too much cash lying around, way, way, way too much use of informants. The first two Zodiac letters clearly call attention to Villareal and Hoffman and their pet informant. Do you happen to know if Hal Snook was involved with Scouting in Napa? Do you remember his sporting goods store? I have commented more on these guys here: zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/65/fingerprints-match?page=1&scrollTo=258Thanks again! |
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Post by avidsleuth1 on Jan 17, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -6
The DNA was tested that had apparently been taken from CJB and there long term suspect was cleared, CJB was covered up there is no way in this world nobody seen nothing.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 22, 2016 21:26:10 GMT -6
Avid:
Well, there were some short blond hairs stuck to the blood on Cheri's wrist that yielded DNA that failed to match her ex. But those hairs may have been planted by the two people who were seen with flashlights at the scene in the wee hours before the body was discovered. There was skin under her nails, veeerrrrrrrry likely belonging to her attacker, but the DNA had decayed too much for analysis. Her ex was seen with scratches on his face. FWIW.
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Post by Despereaux on Feb 12, 2016 21:40:10 GMT -6
Teacher!
I respect your opinions and you are entitled to them. It's what makes the world go'round. That said, it seems that people think you're another kcirp in the wall.
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 22, 2016 13:26:52 GMT -6
Desperaux:
Thanks for your comment! It doesn't matter what I am. I could be a fictional character, and it wouldn't change the facts. You'll notice my critics avoid critiquing anything SPECIFIC, like Snook's handprinting, or anything else. They just call me names. No one has to take my word for ANYTHING. Read the documents for yourself.
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Post by Despereaux on Mar 2, 2016 19:23:48 GMT -6
Desperaux: Thanks for your comment! It doesn't matter what I am. I could be a fictional character, and it wouldn't change the facts. You'll notice my critics avoid critiquing anything SPECIFIC, like Snook's handprinting, or anything else. They just call me names. No one has to take my word for ANYTHING. Read the documents for yourself. I understand your point of view. Small minds--theirs--don't bear any fruit!  I have read the documents and find that you've articulated a plausible argument, and I'm inclined to agree with you on certain things. Perhaps you're right about the police. Back in the 60s and early 70s, the standards for law enforcement were not what they are today. Now officers have to go through a thorough background check, polygraph, psychological exam, and medical testing. Still, a few will get through that should not be in this profession, but the majority of officers to a very good job under extremely difficult circumstances. Back in the 60s, a lot more bad apples got in, and things were changed to prevent it.  |
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Post by captainobvious on Oct 8, 2016 17:05:12 GMT -6
I wonder why Hartnell didn't eventually identify Dennis Land as the attacker. I think the attacker tried to disguise his voice when he was talking to the victims.
I thought maybe he didn't expect one of them to survive but then why did he wear the hood with the symbol. Why the symbol if the only people who see it are dead?
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 10, 2016 11:07:57 GMT -6
Captain:
Funny you should mention it. Bryan has said in interviews that when he was crawling back to the highway from the beach, a pickup truck stopped on the dirt road along the top of the levee. When the driver got out and started walking toward Bryan, Bryan thought it WAS the attacker. But then, he saw the uniform patch on Land's jacket. And Bryan DID say in his second statement to police (his first statement has not turned up--there may not have been a typed transcript. But it's referred to in his second statement) that there was something oddly familiar about the attacker's voice...
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Post by ElderPop on Dec 14, 2016 14:51:51 GMT -6
I was doing a little digging and found this old picture of Bucky Stuart. You likely already have this but I figured I'd share just in case.  |
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 14, 2016 19:39:31 GMT -6
Thanks, it's a good place for it. That's a photo of Phillip "Bucky"Stewart, former Napa deputy sheriff, DA, and Sheriff.
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Post by JustMe on Jan 29, 2017 2:44:41 GMT -6
I wonder why Hartnell didn't eventually identify Dennis Land as the attacker. I think the attacker tried to disguise his voice when he was talking to the victims. I thought maybe he didn't expect one of them to survive but then why did he wear the hood with the symbol. Why the symbol if the only people who see it are dead? I wonder why Hartnell didn't eventually identify Dennis Land as the attacker. I think the attacker tried to disguise his voice when he was talking to the victims. I thought maybe he didn't expect one of them to survive but then why did he wear the hood with the symbol. Why the symbol if the only people who see it are dead? As intriguing as Land is as the potential perpetrator. There's a few stumbling blocks in the mix. 1.) Given Hartnell came to believe Larry Kleins(Kane) voice, right down it's slight stutter pattern, is that of his attacker. It would be interesting to compare LK voice with that of DL to see if they have any similarity. Especially given that Hartnell pegged LK and Nancy Slover favored Gaik. Those two voices don't sound similar to me. Wonder what her response to LK would've been. 2.) If Land was the voyeur of the 3 sunbathing women that day. It's odd that it was the Berryessa Zodiac composite which Kathleen Johns said was the likeness of the man who abducted her. That man, many years later, was Id'd by KJ, as LK. Wonder if the 3 girls were shown DL or KL in a suspect lineup? |
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I have read the documents and find that you've articulated a plausible argument, and I'm inclined to agree with you on certain things. Perhaps you're right about the police. Back in the 60s and early 70s, the standards for law enforcement were not what they are today. Now officers have to go through a thorough background check, polygraph, psychological exam, and medical testing. Still, a few will get through that should not be in this profession, but the majority of officers to a very good job under extremely difficult circumstances. Back in the 60s, a lot more bad apples got in, and things were changed to prevent it. 