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Post by Omega on Jul 21, 2020 6:01:02 GMT -6
Any evidence that either Carr brother played the flute?
The only relevant connection to Son of Sam/Carr/Berkowitz to the Perry murder is based on that witchcraft book that Berkowitz sent to authorities in North Dakota in 1979 that Ward County (North Dakota) Sheriff's Department Lieutenant Terry Gardner gave/showed to Maury Terry. Maury then included the details of this in "The Ultimate Evil"
The book was 'Anatomy of Witchcraft' by Peter Haining, that Berkowitz had mailed to the ND Sheriff's Department. Maury found an underlined section in the book written by former Scientologist and Process Church co-founder Robert DeGrimston that said, "Thou shalt kill. They say they are dedicated to bringing about the end of the world by murder, violence, and chaos--but they, the chosen, will survive to build a new world of Satanic glory."
Handwritten notes in the margin of the book said, "The shade of Aleister Crowley looms large in the area (Los Angeles), but his excesses pale into insignificance compared to today's devil worshipers."
An additional note in the book margin said, "ARLISS PERRY, HUNTED, STALKED AND SLAIN. FOLLOWED TO CALIFORNIA. STANFORD UNIV"
Naturally, John Carr's connection to North Dakota came into play, but the above is really the only concrete evidence presented tying Son of Sam to the Arlis Perry murder.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 21, 2020 6:46:13 GMT -6
I don't think the observed ritual in question--if it actually took place--was the murder of Arlis Perry. It MIGHT have been a rehearsal, or something. Or a preliminary ritual. Or might have no connection. If it actually took place.
And Omega, I would NOT consider Berkowitz's note on a page from that book to be evidence. Only a "tip."
But, as recently discussed on the podcast, Barry Dossenko aka "Marry Milenko" was not only a student at Stanford, but a musician as well. In fact, he's very busy in "music therapy" and related horsehockey now, and is associated with Barry Bloom, an associate of Phil Kaufman, Terry Melcher, and others. Barry was from the Bismarck area, and after learning about organic farming from the communes in Northern California, like Morningstar, set up organic farming and related wholesale and retail operations, back home. If Arlis was "stalked from Bismarck to Palo Alto" I'd say good ol' Barry Dossenko fits the bill really well.
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Post by Omega on Jul 21, 2020 7:15:05 GMT -6
And Omega, I would NOT consider Berkowitz's note on a page from that book to be evidence. Only a "tip." In fact, he's very busy in "music therapy" and related horsehockey now, and is associated with Barry Bloom, an associate of Phil Kaufman, Terry Melcher, and others. Thanks Professor
"Evidence" (maybe the incorrect word used by me, sorry Ye Olde (or I should say "Young") English Professor! My apologies) was in reference that the only place that Son of Sam has been mentioned in connection to the Arlis Perry case is the book notes that Berkowitz sent to North Dakota and Maury publishing its finding.
Also, there's a lot of "Barrys" and "Larrys" and "Marrys" being thrown around so it can be confusing, but is "Barry" the correct name for "Bloom"? I'm seeing a different Bloom out there tied to the music industry (and I'm NOT talking Eric, who is Blue Oyster Cult's singer)
Also, if it is the same Bloom I am seeing, where did you find the connection to Dossenko?
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Post by james1983 on Jul 21, 2020 10:06:44 GMT -6
Yeah it all seems to tie in pretty well. Barry Bloom, Blue Oyster Cult, Patti Smith, and Robert Mapplethorpe. Eric Bloom of BOC dated Patti Smith. The back of BOC album cover "secret treaties" shows four dead German shepards, and Bloom dressed as a process member in a black cape I believe. Mapplethorpe was a SOS cult member. I wouldn't be surprised if Smith, and Eric Bloom were as well. I'm glad the Dossenko lead opened new areas of research. Then the Barry Bloom and Melcher lead is also important I bet. I agree that Dossenko knows about Arlis Perry and her demise.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 21, 2020 20:30:40 GMT -6
Jebus. Talk about a brain fart. Barry Bloom is the Harvard infectious disease "expert." HOWARD Bloom is the music industry guy.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 22, 2020 4:00:23 GMT -6
Too many Blooms. There's also Bobby Bloom the 60s musician who committed suicide. Yeah Howard Bloom the music publicist, and occult author.
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Post by elantric on Jul 23, 2020 21:10:46 GMT -6
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Post by Omega on Jul 24, 2020 7:58:14 GMT -6
The Mike Codella interview by Ed Opperman reveals the all too common theme of hitting a roadblock in the investigation when trying to reopen the Son of Sam case in any fashion. It sounds like Codella hits this roadblock, as others have, and the stoppage is usually from within the police department ranks. Ed asks Codella what are his feelings as to why the shutdown? Codella's speculation is the usual - that many people benefited from the Berkowitz lone killer arrest. A lot promotions in the NYPD as a result, but would this roadblock hold up through time, after many of the original participants would long be retired (or dead?)? From the logical side of the average (and innocent) cop working the case, the Berkowitz sole responsibitiy makes sense. It was a case that the police were getting "killed" on in public and political fronts, as far as not solving. The arrest of Berkowitz lead to many promotions within the NYPD = personal gains. And, the shootings stopped with Berkowitz's arrest. What if though, there was an element of law enforcement that was "in" on it? There are just too many "coincidences" that can't be ignored. For example: 1) The Suriani/Esau murders in the Bronx that created the "Son of Sam" moniker. Detectives are on surveillance on the service road of the Hutchinson River Parkway in the Bronx. A victim of an earlier attack, Jody Valenti, lives on the block and the detectives are assigned to hers and Donna Lauria's unsolved case at the time. It seems they are there for awhile and then leave at around 2:45 AM on a Sunday morning. Alexander Esau, with Valentina Suriani, pulls into almost the EXACT PARKING SPOT that the cops just vacated and are murdered within 15 minutes of this at 3:00 AM. The infamous letter is left at the scene for police Detective Joe Borelli and the "Son of Sam" is born. Was this a routine surveillance done on a consistent timeline? 2) A similar "near miss" by the cops happens in June 1977 when Judy Placido and Sal Lupo are shot down the block from the Elephas Disco in Bayside, Queens. Detectives claim they have been surveilling the Elephas constantly. Sounds logical, because young people hang out there and are the main target, but there is no indication that we are dealing with the "Disco Killer" since none of prior shootings happened near a disco location. Cops again claimed that they had passed and monitored the Elephas minutes before the shooting of Placido and Lupo occurs. 3) NYPD police officer, Mike Speros, was a "person of interest" when the shootings occurred in 1977. Cops he worked with were suspicious of him of being the 44 Caliber killer. Speros drove a yellow Volkswagen with vanity license plates - "GRK 44". Was Speros involved with the 44 shootings or did he know something and was he being set up by using characteristics that would apply to him and then "backing into" a suspect for a reason?
4) What Professor Horan has brought up on recent podcasts - the local NYPD cops working the beat that night, near the Moskowitz/Violante Brooklyn shootings, swearing up and down that they wrote no parking tickets that night and then, all of a sudden, a ticket emerges later on.
5) The constant roadblocks/closures from the "higher ups" that Codella faced. Queens DA John Santucci's office felt this when they wanted to reopen the case in the 1990s. When the two professionals were arrested in the Ronald Sisman/Elizabeth Platzman murders, and they wanted to seemingly confess to that, further investigating was stopped because it supposedly lead to the Son of Sam case. Why? Because of promotions in the late 1970s? What ex-cops like Codella and Jim Rothstein, etc. need to really dig into is looking into the environment they came from and using their contacts and sources that normal "citizen" detectives wouldn't have access to. Get access to police reports that the public can't get even through Freedom of Information acts. Seek out similar souls, who worked in similar channels, and try to piece together why does this always hit a snag from within......."promotions"?...yeah, OK........
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Post by james1983 on Jul 24, 2020 9:39:20 GMT -6
You need look no further than the Andrew Crispo case to prove 100% that police, and the DA were involved with letting these criminals walk free. I believe it was a prosecutor for the Crispo case and politician who was found out to be involved in the same late night scene as Crispo, the author David France even hints at this man being involved with Crispo himself. If you wanna know how these people operate read "bag of toys" by David France. It's about the Crispo case. Make sure you read the updated version where it names the DA who helped Crispo get off for murder. I would, but I forgot his name lol. He was also involved in politics in the same county Bernard LeGeros and his family lived. LeGeros was the fall guy, and it shows how it happens. Probably the second best book about the SOS cult behind Maury's book since Crispo was a member.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 24, 2020 9:47:10 GMT -6
Also read "what Lisa knew" by Joyce Johnson. Maury gave Joyce a lot of info for this book. Hedda Nussbaum and Joel Steinberg adopted a baby named Lisa who ended up dying supposedly at the hands of Joel Steinberg. What probably happened was she was killed at a pedophile party at Roy Radins house since Nussbaum use to take little Lisa to his house for "party's". Joel Steinberg took the fall. Steinberg was able to get babies anytime he wanted from adoptions. He basically gave an unregistered baby to his brother who was wanting to adopt one. How was this lawyer able to basically get unregistered babies on some kind of black market?
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Post by james1983 on Jul 24, 2020 9:48:30 GMT -6
The Lisa Steinberg case was very similar to the Jon Benet Ramsey case. So much so it's scary.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 24, 2020 10:41:41 GMT -6
You know Hedda Nussbaum literally cashed in with a book, right?
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Post by james1983 on Jul 24, 2020 12:02:09 GMT -6
yep. She should have went to prison for life, so should Joel Steinberg. Steinberg got a light sentence considering he was blamed for killing a child. Lisa's paternal mother appeared out of left field to write a book about a child she never knew. No doubt Steinberg was procuring children for anyone who wanted one. These two piles of pig shit are out walking the streets and living their life while a child was raped, tortured, and killed. Steinberg can't deny procuring children, because he did it twice that was admitted. There's no telling how many children he sold. The adoption services were involved as well, of coarse they blame everything on Steinberg calling him a swindler basically.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 24, 2020 12:13:40 GMT -6
Mike Codella says the Process church kidnapped Etan Patz, but never explains how they prosecuted a guy who worked at a bodega down the street from Patz house. I know the guy admitted to it, but proof is supposed to accompany a confession. The first trial ended in a mistrial, the second time they finally got him.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 24, 2020 14:58:14 GMT -6
Mike Codella says the Process church kidnapped Etan Patz, but never explains how they prosecuted a guy who worked at a bodega down the street from Patz house. I know the guy admitted to it, but proof is supposed to accompany a confession. The first trial ended in a mistrial, the second time they finally got him. I think there's a good chance that Pedro Hernandez was set up. Everyone, including the Patz family, initially believed the perpetrator was Jose Ramos, a known pedophile who dated Etan's babysitter Susan Harrington. Ramos was caught luring kids into the tunnels of Van Cortlandt Park, a known Process cult meeting site. And one person recounted being in a meditation class with Susan, that was described as the gateway to some "guru cult". Pedro was interrogated for hours off camera before the police finally switched on the recording and got his confession. Even then, his story had gaps that some investigators were quoted in early news reports as leading them to doubt the story. And as you say, it took two trials before they finally convicted him. During the first trial, Etan's childhood friend, restauranteur Chelsea Altman, said Etan discussed taking a trip with "Johnny" who she testified was an imaginary friend, and was then confronted with her initial statement to investigators that "Johnny" was Jose Ramos. Very plausible that Ramos was an Andre Rand-type figure, a street lowlife who worked on behalf of the cult to obtain child victims.
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