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Post by jmo on Nov 22, 2017 16:26:41 GMT -6
Thank you for boiling that down for me a bit. Sometimes I don't even know who nor where to start. Maybe this should be moved to SUSPECTS or THEORIES.
1. Rejection 2. Rape/Molestation 3. Drug theft 4. Informant 5. Adoption
Mike had problems with being a cop wayyyyy back. I think he said it had something to do with him not voting for the right guy or something. Small town + Politics. Whatdoyado JMO but I think Mike was lazy about stuff and it got him in trouble.
I grew up with two sisters and we still don't know when each other started our cycles. haha At 12, Tina probably had had her period. Tina and Sheila weren't best friends. Not even good friends. It wasn't a snuggly in a buggly sort of relationship. The Sheila/Tina/Sue love/hate triangle was probably peeking in 1981. Sue trying to get a divorce and hide on her (fill in all kinds of nasty words for that bugger) soon to be ex. Sheila, 14. Pregnant. Gotta run her to OR to have a baby. Tina, 12. She'd already been down a rough road. Then add in the boys....
Thomas Curnow. Good for you for actually stepping forward and offering to by hypnotized, not to cover your own butt, but just to do the right thing. Maybe he could be some sort of a starting point. Too. Many. Liars.
Sandy Foster. Penny Waltermire. Cherry Cudio. Sunshine. Are these leads being revisited? They should be. Hey Mike! haha
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Post by jmo on Nov 29, 2017 16:46:43 GMT -6
FrankMike and Martel.
Is Martel still alive? Does she remember any cuts on FrankMike?
There is quite a bit of information that points at these two as being involved. Does anyone have a picture of FrankMike? He hasn't been ruled out in my book.
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Post by kmik on Nov 30, 2017 22:37:37 GMT -6
As far as we know Frank and Martel are still alive. The statement we have that Frank gave in '81 made no mention of Martel witnessing the "Sue fighting with the Avery Schreiber look a like". However years later Martel told the story as if she was a witness. Looks to us like Jan Albin threw him out of Keddie for drugs and Marty Smartt made mention of that to the police in one of his interviews. So did Frank make the story up? Who knows. Seems like everyone had their own story to tell. But any story that could possibly be connected back to Marty Smartt was used by Josh for part 2 documentary and on his forum.
We've researched everybody on that PON list way beyond Marty Smartt - which doesn't seem to be something that Josh Hancock did before he made the documentaries - although he had years to do plenty of research between the filming of 1 and 2. Greg Hagwood made a big mistake when he brought Mike G in to investigate this case (with his previous problems and grudges). But his first mistake (which appears corrupt to us) was ever letting Josh have access to ANY case files in an unsolved, open murder case. Both Mike and Greg hint at a "coverup" and "corruption" on the ID show but have yet to pinpoint it LET ALONE prove it. That's their excuse as to why the case wasn't solved but what's their excuse for not being able to solve it themselves?
Handing this over to VIDOCQ would be the best thing for this case - people looking at this with a fresh set of eyes minus all the theories and speculation. And I'm guessing all VIDOCQ would need would be ALL the case files and any assistance from PCSO, if needed.
It's sad that 36 years later this case is still unsolved when 2 boys should be capable, at the very least, of helping the police. But one's not talking and the other has already talked too much. But the truth of what happened should start with the people who were in that cabin (whether that be that they were threatened, drugged, or locked in the bedroom). If Ricky HAS talked and named Marty that should be enough to close this 36 year old case.
As for Frank there's a couple of pics of him in the old FRB newspapers.
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Post by kmik on Dec 1, 2017 10:24:01 GMT -6
[This post was originally replies to harassing posts. Those have been removed and the IP addresses banned.--Admin Horan]
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Post by jmo on Dec 15, 2017 19:43:59 GMT -6
"Parade is a decent mag of respectable stature- since I was a wee pup I've never missed thumbing through it when I get the Sunday paper- and the other mags they've done look professional, so I was interested in seeing what they wanted to do. It wouldn't be much, just a pretty brief overview, so I replied that I'd provide images if I was able to read the text before agreeing. I explained how many misrepresentations there are, and that, while I wouldn't dictate what to write or demand final approval, I had to know their work was accurate within reason before I could sign off to providing images."
So, why in the hell would Parade Magazine need David to "sign off" on images that are pasted all over the internet?? Is this just another case of him making himself more important than he is?
Seems to me that whenever ANYBODY looks into this case, he gets his claws into it and ruins any legit investigation that comes along.
HE'S NOT HELPING HE'S HURTING.
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Post by kmik on Dec 15, 2017 21:32:34 GMT -6
JMO, nobody (including Gamberg and Hagwood) touch the Keddie case without going through him first! After the way he's talked about the Wingates and Sharps I'm surprised they haven't demanded him remove the photos long ago (but I'm guessing they're accountable to him also?).
We must not forget that he knows EXACTLY how the murders happened and he wasn't even there (I'm guessing again). If nothing new came from the ID Show and People Magazine what is he expecting from Parade? Why in the world would he need another article on the case? I was under the impression he didn't need any outside help on the case (except for Mike and Greg to stand by to make the arrest). Oh wait, HE needs the publicity. Any attention on the case would be great, but we've already heard corruption, cover up, and Marty Smartt and that's what we'd be reading again. If the police know that to be the truth then close the case and let 28 write the book.
Karis and I have a few things we wonder if the article will address (pretty sure it will not):
1. How did Ricky and Greg Sharp sleep through the murders?
2. Will the "LOVE LETTER" be printed IN FULL?
3. How can 2 dead men be tried for murder?
4. ANYTHING, ANYTHING at all about TINA SHARP.
5. Why Gamberg hasn't been able to solve this case? (but probably plenty of insinuations on corruption and cover up being the cause of it not being solved in the last 36 years)
6. Why Greg Hagwood ever allowed Josh Hancock access to the Keddie Files.
7. Oh, and the question everyone has been asking for 36 years: THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE BOYS TO KEDDIE
The one thing we bet they cover is the "affair" Marty had with Sue - (thanks to that "ONE" anonymous witness).
28's sole purpose is to protect his theory - that's why everything has to be "approved". Remember when he blasted the ID show on his FB page for not declaring the Keddie case "SOLVED"? Why would they - it wasn't??? As for the photos - the crime scene photos would belong to the PCSO and the personal photos would probably belong to the families but none of them belong to him. And unless Parade didn't do their own homework before writing an article, and just used his information, then he'd have no reason to approve anything before they published it!
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Post by cancersucks on Dec 16, 2017 14:38:45 GMT -6
That love letter! I really, really, really wish that would get printed in full elsewhere! Talk about something that, when only partially printed, takes on a whole different meaning!
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 16, 2017 22:03:44 GMT -6
Um...I think I have it...I reeeeeeaaalllllyyyy need to get those files sorted and posted, don't I?
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Post by kmik on Dec 17, 2017 5:14:28 GMT -6
What files?
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Post by cancersucks on Dec 17, 2017 9:25:33 GMT -6
Hopefully the love letter in full so others can read it in it's entirety.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 17, 2017 14:08:05 GMT -6
Well, I think I have a more or less complete set of all the crime scene photos that McNarie has, plus photos of the "love letter" etc. I just need to get them organized and uploaded to Flickr so I can "post" them here.
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Post by kmik on Dec 17, 2017 16:17:28 GMT -6
The love letter is on this forum under: Suspect: Martin Smartt.
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Post by cancersucks on Dec 17, 2017 18:49:14 GMT -6
Ahhhh. I thought I read it somewhere on here. Thanks!
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Post by karis on Dec 27, 2017 19:53:11 GMT -6
BREAKING NEW!!!! Vidocq has accepted this case according to 28. This is really great news. What puzzles me is why vidocq will accept a solved case. According to Mike G and cabin 28 forum this case is already solved. Why would vidocq need to solve an already solved case? If Mike G don't have enough evidence to arrest the living how could vidocq acquire that evidence or force anyone to talk? Will vidocq be able to bring in the two people (Justin & Ricky) needed to solve this case?
What is it that hold Mike G back from making an arrest?
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Post by kmik on Dec 27, 2017 21:22:45 GMT -6
I'm also glad Vidocq is going to look at this case! But it does make me wonder why Mike would seek out the opinion of Vidocq when 28 has been laying out his theory and giving Mike his opinion for years. Was that not enough? Hopefully Vidocq will be able to help!
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