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Post by hope on Jul 10, 2021 19:47:30 GMT -6
Awe, Dmac got himself banned from Wikipedia again 🤣
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Post by kmik on Jul 10, 2021 21:40:39 GMT -6
Oh wow how sad! Yep Snoho this is the type of person Mike trusted with his files. Oh please Mike please say it ain’t so
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 11, 2021 12:03:43 GMT -6
Oh my, here's an older exchange "A couple years back, a writer for Plumas News (the local paper closest to Keddie) revisited the case and did a 3-part article. It took her (Ms Metcalfe) several weeks of research, including collaborations with myself and current chief investigator in the case, PCSO SA Mike Gamberg. It is easily the most detailed and factual piece ever written on the case, which is to say it also lethally debunks much of garbage articles used as sources in this wiki piece.
Knowing the case as well as I do, I can attest to the fact an incredibly high percentage of 'articles' published about this case are factually inadequate, if not whole cloth fiction.
Plumas News: Keddie Murders Revisited
If you read the article all the way through, you see how Gamberg and I agree on the vast majority of the conclusions we've made from reading the case files and from doing our own research. In fact, Mike first approached me in 2014 after, out of frustration and disbelief, he began vetting the the research I'd done and the incredibly bizarre series of facts I'd dug up. IF you read, you'll also find this wiki article is woefully inadequate and riddled with garbage debunked years ago.
If you read the comments at the end of the article, the common attitude on display there is the tip of the iceberg of hate coming from those who don't want the case solved, those involved & still living (including suspects), those who choose not to believe not only that the killers were known almost immediately after LE arrived at the crime scene but that these people they often knew or know (including PCSO and members of CDOJ) were either involved in the murders and/or the massive coverup which followed.
This case is predominately solved, except for those still alive who were directly involved. Both PCSO and I agree on six living suspects involved in the actual murders. This does not include those in LE involved in the ensuing, decades-long coverup. The only thing primarily unsolved is the extent roles our suspects played, and the fact we still haven't enough to convict them. The youngest suspect, Juston Eason (nee Smartt) who was clearly at the crime scene and was directly involved in the murders (proved by exactly where his DNA was found) is in his fifties and the oldest (Justin's mom and Marty's then-wife, Marilyn) is in her 80s. Time is running out to get the older ones put away before they go to room temp, but the younger ones are still very worried.Motthoop (talk) 04:32, 12 September 2019 (UTC)MottHoop aka dmac
@motthoop: I don't know who you are or who you think you are, but just because you claim to have personal access to the case files and dispute reported accounts doesn't mean you can propagate these ideas on Wikipedia. Per the way Wikipedia operates, we have to go by published sources, which includes newspaper accounts. This unfortunately means articles will not always contain absolute truths. The comments section of a news article is also not a reliable source. The Metcalf article(s) you mention as being the "most true" or most definitive were already included as citations in the article before you started making all of these edits. You have torn this article to pieces and it is an absolute mess compared to what it once was in terms of formatting and prose. You need to acquaint yourself with the way Wikipedia works before you start making transgressive edits like this, specifically WP:Verifiability, not truth and WP:Reliable sources. I am reverting the article to its former state. If you wish to write a crime blog on this case, that can be done elsewhere. --Drown Soda (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC) @lupin VII and Serial Number 54129: I see you've already had interactions on Mott's talk page. Can you provide any further input on this talk page, specifically? --Drown Soda (talk) 22:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC) Drown Soda From the few interactions I've had, I'd have to say they're an editor who doesn't understand what appropriately contributing to Wikipedia means. If I were you, I'd bring the issue up to ANI. Lupin VII (talk) 00:31, 19 September 2019 (UTC) @lupin VII: I'll look into it—I've weirdly enough never dealt with this sort of thing on Wikipedia. Someone has now reverted my restorative edit (not logged in), presumably MottHoop. --Drown Soda (talk) 08:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC) Drown Soda Reverted, and warning issued. I'll keep my eye on the page. Lupin VII (talk) 08:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC)"
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Post by kmik on Jul 11, 2021 21:41:02 GMT -6
Dmac said: "We've. We've. We've". I've yet to understand why he feels that linking himself to Mike makes his theory any stronger or more believable.
Maybe Dmac should spend some of his free time investigating and "debunking" why a Special Investigator would EVER need anyone outside of LE to aid him in his investigation. I can debunk some of it real quick - Mike approached him in 2014 because he wanted the files back - dmac had them and he wanted them. In 2016 Mike "teamed" up with dmac for the ID Show (that Dmac begged for) and People Magazine article. In 2020 Doug Thomas step granddaughter offered Dmac DT's "secret files". Dmac enticed Victoria and Mike with them so Mike turned over "certain" case files to him in exchange for these "secret files". Victoria gave up a lot of her time and cooked Dmac several meals in exchange for these secret files but she has yet to write that article so I can only assume that she too was a little let down after seeing the secret files were really.....well nothing. What a complete let down for all involved.
Okay PCSO and Dmac agree on six living suspects so who are those six and are they the same six? Seems to me Mike and Greg's been tossing that number "6" around since about, um, 2016 with no arrest to date.
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Post by hope on Jul 12, 2021 7:29:01 GMT -6
You must be psychic or something 🤣🤣🤣
DT's "super secret" files that weren't secret, let alone "super secret"? This man actually worked on the case & in the short time he "worked the case" its apparent he wanted it solved. But because he kept copies of some of his notes & news reports that now makes him a corrupt sociopath "reliving the damage he caused"?!?! Ridiculous. It shows even more that he had an interest in the case and wanted it solved. As to be expected.
Not to mention what a hypocritical thing to say. DT was there, in 1981, of course he had an ongoing interest in it, wondered where the investigation was at & kept tabs on it! There was nothing "damning" in his files. Absolutely nothing . Nothing to show he was corrupt or covering up a quadruple murder for a nobody like Marty. I honestly can't believe people believe this crap, it blows my mind.
Not to mention, I'm sure the Keddie case was the worst crime he ever experienced in his career. Of course it would stick with him. All of us have an ongoing interest & desire for it to be solved. And we aren't even from the area, let alone knew any of the people involved!
Same with the person accusing DT of such things. Dmac thinks it's odd DT kept up on the case!?! Really, he is more obsessed than anyone, thinks he owns the case & didn't know any of these people either. Yet he has a forum dedicated to the case, all the case files, shows up anytime the case is discussed in reddit, etc & obsessively updates the Wikipedia page on the Keddie murders, to the point of being banned! Yet he, of all people, question why DT saved files & kept updates on the crime!?!?! Freaking hypocrite.
I wish PCSO would reach out to some real people and obtain a start fresh. People with experience in crime scene investigation, cold cases, evidence and DNA. Its sick and sad where this case has gone in the past 5-10 years.
And the saddest part is this case can actually be solved with the right people investigating it & submitting items for proper testing using today's technology. All the evidence still exists, what is being done witj it!?!?
This case definitely needs a fresh set of eyes. Someone with experience, who can lay things out based on facts & evidence. Forget about desire to be right, the theories, speculation & rumors and just focus on the facts and evidence. Who gives af who the evidence comes back to as long as there is indisputable proof and justice for the victims & their families!!
And Metcalfe, if you do end up doing another article pllleeeasse dig deeper & ask some real questions. The public does not want another synopsis of Dmac's theory. Read the case files yourself, request some information to back up the claims you are publishing...oops, it doesn't exist so that's not possible. Dig deeper, if it exists cite it. Until then you are doing nothing but repeating one man's speculation as fact. That is not ok, especially for a journalist. And I personally feel that last article was an embarrassment. If that what's written in there is the truth, that's great, but you should include proof and not someone's theory theory, backed up by absolutely nothing besides their speculation & spin on things!
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Post by getem on Jul 12, 2021 18:55:34 GMT -6
Hope. If you could please send me your address so I can invoice you for the 3-4 hour rabbit hole you sent me down? Holy cow, just the stuff on reddit and wikipedia alone under his keddie and other names a psychiatrist would have a field day! DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM??? HAHAHA!! Ok Ok Ok I'll waive my fee just for the entertainment It's weird for me to believe there are people like this walking amongst us! I have a strong interest in true crime in general, and unsolved cases specifically, and follow a handful of cases pretty close, but to make it your whole life? WOW Anyway thanks for that post! LOL
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Post by hope on Jul 12, 2021 20:50:54 GMT -6
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Thanks getem : ) It is insane for sure lol. And same here, yet the Keddie case is extra unique!
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