Zodiac, have you laughed as hard as we have in this last week with Dmac's sudden rush to proclaim that Justin willingly participated in the murders? That's certainly not what he has been saying all along. Do you remember his rants on MK's forum when you even suggested that from looking at the facts Justin should have been a suspect? He must hope we've all had a convenient case of amnesia. Sorry to inform him but we haven't.
It's very clear he is rushing to proclaim this while claiming he would have said it sooner but was battling an internal ethical debate. Maybe he's the one with convenient amnesia - but we know what he's said. Oh well, it's certainly given us more than a few laughs!!
I think Dmac is confused (or just trying to confuse everyone else) with his latest post about the hairs found on the tape used to bind Johnny's hands and Johnny's hands. Even if they were labeled "white hair found in Johhny's hand in blood" that's not what his autopsy said. From what I read the hair were light tan and sometimes brown in color and only ONE that was "WHITISH" in color.
The skin beneath the taped hands and wrist areas if free of blood,
whereas the margins of the zones of ligature mark show blood extending
as previously described onto the entire hand.
Caught up on the tape, on the dorsal and on the ventral surface of the
hands as well as within the palms of both hands are multiple hairs or
hair—like structures, generally light tan in color, sometimes somewhat
brown in color, and in one instance one of the hair—like structures is
whitish in color.
Attached to the right anterior sleeve of the subject's jacket are
several more hairs. They are attached in portions of blood clot in this
Not sure who labeled the hair evidence (Forcino or the ME) but this was included in the autopsy report:
At ll:OO A.M. the following entities are given to Detective Forcino:
the lower ligature, electric cord, the hand and wrist ligature, white
adhesive tape, the hairs from the hands, the hairs from the anterior
right external jacket sleeve and all the clothing just described. The
hairs have been placed in appropriately labeled and sealed plastic
So although the thought that the aging 46 year old Bo Boubede left the white hairs sounds intriguing the truth is there was ONE "WHITISH" hair/hair like structure found in Johnny's hand. The other HAIRS were light tan to brown according to the ME. Maybe we should now add the ME to the growing list of people who were in on the cover-up? Somebody please tell me why he doesn't have one longtime member on his forum who will actually questions him on these things? Are they just that scared of being banned from all of his information? Believe me Keddie28 is not the only site with information!
Post by cancersucks on Aug 16, 2017 19:10:37 GMT -6
The more I hear of his "information", the less I believe any of it. I was just thinking that tonight before I came here and read your post. To me, that entire site is really losing credibility. Still wondering why Justin hasn't been arrested....
Yes I think 28 has become a joke to those of us who have actually read the information available to us. What happened to members like CHI who used to be the real voice of reason on his forum? I think what bothers me is that he writes his speculation and "anonymous informant" information as fact. Speculation should be called speculation not fact. The police have not announced that Justin's DNA has been discovered (and they wouldn't so why would Dmac) so until then it's just speculation.
I'm gonna speculate here and say if the police have enough evidence that Marty committed these murders then the case should/would be declared closed/solved without spending anymore money. I'm also going to speculate that they are not continuing to investigate and gather information to take trial against 2 dead men. If Marty was the killer and forced Justin to participate then Ricky Sharp should know that (unless he was heavily drugged and if so he should remember being drugged). I'm not trying to be heartless just hopeful that Ricky Sharp has talked to the police.
Post by cancersucks on Aug 17, 2017 16:05:41 GMT -6
I'm not familiar with the people in 28. I go over there as a guest maybe once every couple months. It's all the same thing. Never anything new except the supposed Justin DNA. I figured, if this was true, why did DMAC get the OK to release it to the public but LE never released it nor did they ever go after Justin? I agree with you that that's just speculation at this point. It just doesn't have the ring of truth to it. Justin may very well have been involved but then I would think LE would at least want to question him!
I think Marty and Bo are very weak suspects at this point. The police must think so too or they would have pointed the finger at them dead or alive.
I think 28 is just a place for a big mouth to dream up his theories and bully them into people as fact. This is why I don't go to that site. A lot of those people agree with every word he says whether it makes sense or not. No one questions him, just praises him. Ugh. I'm not a follower, I'm a thinker. I don't do well on sites like that. I want to see the case solved regardless of who is guilty.
I really do hope Ricky said something, anything to the police!
Post by Admin Horan on Aug 23, 2017 10:09:39 GMT -6
Here's the tragedy--as far as I can see, McNarie has been right about MOST of it. It's just what he concludes from it about SUSPECTS that gets off track. He's right about the evidence pointing to Dana and Johnny being sat/stood against the wall and "interrogated" (including his pointing out that the wounds on one of the boys' neck suggests that he was pinned against the wall by two knives stuck into the paneling underneath his ears) and the fact that Sue--and Sue alone--was beaten with the air rifle (and that she had been shot in the chest with it.) And the boys being moved (well, just their feet) across the room, before their throats were cut, etc. But his larger conclusions are just based on biased assumptions. For example, even McNarie's detailed analysis of the evidence tends to rule OUT Martin, instead of implicating him.
Why so far off? Maybe it's personal. Like me, he's Johnny's age, similar socio-economic background, similar friends, and he says he even went camping there as a kid. Maybe he thinks he remembers meeting some of these kids. Maybe he did meet some of these kids. So maybe Martin just reminds him too much of his own father. I assumed McNarie was in cahoots with Justin in a scheme to cash in. But maybe he's just blinded by personal gut reactions to the thing, plus a little greed.
Aaaaaaaaand maybe he WAS in cahoots with Justin, but now has begun to realize Justin was using him. Publicly and privately, I repeatedly accused him of being in cahoots with Justin. Of all his public and private responses, the one topic he AVOIDED responding to/attacking me over was that one accusation. And now, suddenly, he's turned on Justin...
"When a man lies, he murders some part of the world." —Paul Gerhardt
I wouldn't say I disagree with everything Dmac says. I just can't understand going nuts because someone disagrees with me about something neither of us know for sure. It's crazy. I also wouldn't put my faith in anonymous information and then pass it on to the public as the gospel. That's why I've posted about not believing Sue was out inviting company for the night. I don't believe it happened according to the statements that we have. And I certainly wouldn't take the word of people who were children at the time and don't even remember it happening themselves. Plus I was in chat when this was discussed.
He may be 100% right on the Marty theory. But according to the timing of statements people made about Marty, the things he said in the letter, and the fact that we have no proof of what he said to the therapist - I just can't buy it. Plus we have no interview from the most important people in the case (including Justin) and almost Zero information on Tina -which seems to scream what you've already said - we don't have the "important" info.
While searching for a specific post from the old forum I came across a post by one of the people that Dmac relied on for the Sue trolling for company. In the post the guy is talking about how the single mom's in Keddie would be out at the Keddie Bar getting drunk with no idea what their kids were doing. Sheila replied that she hopes he isn't referring to her mom. He replied that he was just saying how the single mom's had no idea where there kids were because they were not watching them.
Seems to me that would have been the perfect opportunity for him to tell Sheila that her mom was at his house on the night of the murders inviting him to spend the night. But he didn't (not from anything I've read). So if this happened why not tell her so she might possibly be able to say "it could have happened" or "no way it happened"?
Also MK recently posted on 28 of an old post by Glenna Meeks saying that Justin's ex girlfriend said he admitted to her he was forced to participate in the murders. I do remember the post (just not word for word). From memory I do not remember Glenna Meeks saying the ex mentioning "who" it was that had "forced" Justin to "participate" which would be much needed info. If the story is true and Justin really told this to his ex then why in the world would he not tell who had "forced" him (if he was "forced" to do anything). I am going to find the old post to see exactly what it said.
I hope that everyone understands that neither me nor Karis are out to prove Dmac wrong or disprove his theory. But speculation should be specified as speculation. We were not in 28 and do not know what happened. What we do know is that we have never seen any evidence of anyone reporting that they saw Marty at 28, no evidence that Justin or Ricky has ever said (TO ANYBODY) that he was in 28, or that his DNA was ever found in 28. There is just no proof that he participated in anyway in these murders. That does not mean he didn't it just means we have no proof. If he was there and instigated these murders then Justin or Ricky should be able to tell SOMEBODY that Marty was the killer - or at the very least tell who was in the house that night. This case will never be solved until they do.
The only post I could find was from 2009 (MK said she thought it was from 2008). Here is what she posted:
Wed Jan 28,2009
Will try to fill a few things in. When Marilyn changed her story that Marty was not guilty was a couple of years ago. That's about the time that Justin went to another psychiatrist. At that time was when his memory came back to him. (By the way he did say Marty had killed them at the time that it happened. I saw it in writing.) I think she did this to protect him.
I talked to Justin's wife/girlfriend about 2 or so months ago. She was there when he went to the psychiatrist. She said he remembered that Marty had killed them. Also he had been forced to take a part in it. Under the threat of getting killed himself and his mother, and brother. by Marty. Why he didn't go to the police, I don't know. Think maybe he thought he would be incriminated also. Another reason I think he could be afraid to because there was another man involved, and he is still alive. I think there were two more. One maybe didn't help with the killings but knew about them. Think he was with them when they went to get rid of Tina. He lives in Quincy.
What Mrs. Meeks (to my knowledge) is talking about is on the documentary where Ed Cates went back to the cabin with Justin, Casey, and Justin's girlfriend, Amber, for Justin to remember what happened. I put zero stock in what the "psychic" Ed Cates was able to retrieve from Justin's memory. What is interesting is that Glenna Meeks said at the time of the murders Justin said Marty had killed them and she saw it herself in writing. What "writing" did she see this in at the time of the murders? Why didn't SHE go to the police? So I was wrong!! Justin told Ed Cates, Casey, Amber and also had put it in writing at the time of the murders but no one told the police? I just can't see how this was not told to the police by someone. The only logical thing is the police did know that Justin had named Marty but the story didn't fit the evidence?? If Marty was threating Justin with killing him, Marilyn and Casey then why didn't Marty threaten Marilyn with what he knew?? I thought the whole Marty theory was built around Marilyn being the instigator?? So why would he threaten Justin with Marilyn if she was the reason he was over there killing in the first place?? I said it in the above post and I'll say it again: This case will not be solved until Justin and Ricky tell what they BOTH know because their silence for Marty makes absolutely no sense.
Dmac's deep desire to link Marty to these murders, via Justin all over the crime scene, really only convinces me of one thing (if any of it's true): Justin is more than likely the very reason the police are still scratching their heads over this case. Then throw in the silence of Ricky Sharp and it's a cluster. They haven't been at a standstill for 36 years because of the Meeks, Marty, Marilyn, Bo etc... They know and have known for years that his "stories" and Ricky's silence is/was nothing but a brick wall for them. It's hard to move ahead when the very people left alive in the house are of little help and no evidence pointing to anyone else.
Apparently all those "corrupt" cops haven't been buying what he's been selling for the last 36 years.
Post by o1katontaylor2 on Sept 22, 2017 17:34:17 GMT -6
Maybe, instead of wasting so much time on the "Loonibi" and the "Tunabi", Dmac should spend more time regretting and apologizing for screwing the Justibi when he decided to post the hypnosis sessions (for Justin to read and rehearse).
Yes, I am confused as to why people go after Justin and not Ricky. I would hope if my loved ones were slaughtered and I had witnessed law enforcement "do nothing" that I would be more than happy to break my 36 year silence if I had information to help solve the case. How could Ricky possibly be angry at the police (who obviously have NO evidence linking anyone else to these murders) if he himself is not willing to help. Yet we expect Justin to come up with all the answers? If Ricky knows Marty was at his house killing his family and Dana then why has he never told this? So much talk of a LE cover-up but no one wants to discuss what or who Ricky is covering for? He participated in the cabin walk through and was obviously there for some of the filming of Josh's documentary so it appears he does not have a problem revisiting the murders - he just doesn't want to be interviewed. What question is he afraid of having to answer.
Just from seeing him on the documentary he seems to be a very quiet, reserved, humble guy (whose family was murdered but he was allowed to live). But that still should not eliminate him from having to answer questions and shouldn't upset him that people actually wonder why he doesn't. How many more years will the public blame law enforcement with this case not being solved? And If there's a lot of people wondering why the "scumbag law enforcement " hasn't done anything to solve the case there's just as many of us wondering why Rick doesn't do what he can.
Since this has now become national news Justin and Rick should feel more protected than ever. If Marty has been proven to be the killer why not close the case? Are they are waiting for more evidence on a dead man?
28 recently "revealed" that Justin is the one who covered Sue. Mike Gamberg posted a couple of days ago that he also knew Justin claimed to be the one who covered Sue. MK posted this on a forum back in 2011:
"Right now, I don't know just who covered Sue up, since Justin did say in 2006 that he did it."
So obviously "Justin covering Sue" has been around since at least 2006?
We're a little confused about this covering of Sue. It has long been implied that she most likely was covered by someone who cared for her yet we have Justin supposedly saying (not sure the admission was made directly to the PCSO) that he is the one who covered her. He did claim Tina came down the hall dragging a blanket but was grabbed by 2 men and taken out the back door. Why would a 13 year old girl drag a blanket down the hall with her? Maybe Tina is the one who wanted Sue covered up hence the story of her dragging the blanket down the hall (because we believe there's a little bit of truth in everything he told).
28 is now suggesting that Ricky and Justin covered Sue (which we find possible). But if this happened then why didn't the boys go for help instead of covering up Sue? Maybe someone stayed to guard them - but allowed them to cover up Sue who supposedly was left in that position for a reason??? Do we really have to keep entertaining these crazy scenarios??
Post by Dmachaslosthismind on Oct 7, 2017 18:11:01 GMT -6
I think Justin monkeyed with (not only) Sue, but Johnny, and Dana, too. I also believe LE had nothing to do with a coverup. Laughable to think the whole state of California fought to keep Marty out of jail. Seriously??? Dmac has his head up his ass so far he can't see straight. Where's the evidence? He's twisted everything. Marty said he saw someone in the bar means (to Dmac) that Marty did it. Marty said he complained about the music. Nobody heard this. Therefore, Marty did it. So, so tired of that garbage. He can twist anything to suit his theory. Not any of it sticks. And, if I have to read any more bullshit about Bo and his criminal family, I think I'm going to hurl. I have an aunt that married 8 times. With Dmac's logic I should be worried about my marriage? Ridiculous. One plus one always equals Marty. Two plus two? Also Marty. Three plus one? You got it. Marty. I've reached the point where I can't even discuss Marty anymore without a pretty serious eye roll. Don't ever disagree with him or he'll have you for lunch. Ask him a question or ask him to explain something and he says, "Read more and then ask your question" so when I do he calls me a C? I'd like to meet that guy in a bar sometime. Idiot.
Thank God somebody else out there, besides a few of us, that are sick of him pushing the Marty, Bo, Marilyn theory down our throats!!! I think he has fallen victim to Mike G., who is playing him like a fiddle. If Mike and Greg can't solved this fast enough, after HE has laid out for them EXACTLY how and who committed this crime, they will find themselves on this same corrupt list as Doug T., Don S., Rod D., ect. If PCSO needs him to solve this crime for them, then they have no evidence!!!
I am confused as to why he would need dmac when has a legal right and an obligation to talk to the very surviving people who were in that cabin that night.