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Post by kmik on Sept 25, 2020 17:58:26 GMT -6
Too funny!! I agree and I think his partner Vickie has already informed him of that! You know that “Marty plus everyone else” theory is complicated so occams (?) razor ain’t gonna work with all that mafia, DOJ/PCSO cover up that wasn’t a cover up till Josh stole all those files!
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Post by karis on Sept 26, 2020 8:25:04 GMT -6
Justin interview
The investigators were basically saying, "if your tired of coming in here, tell us what you know?" The investigators know his DNA is there, he survived, and has claimed to know what happened. NO COVERUP.
Mike are you that lazy? We had that information long ago. It's on the internet!!! Or is it really that dmac is being used. He needs to feel important and maybe you played right into that. I just don't think i would have told that, but there again dmac needs everyone to SEE that they need him.
I am sure Mrs. Alvey didn't want to talk to anyone but Mike. Mike was a "friend" to all. Her boys had their own problems with the police and she didn't want them involved in this case. Don't take my word for it, it's all in the FRB.
Well it sounds as if Mike dropped the ball on that one. Quote from Doug Thomas regarding the firing: "When you are personally involved like I was the last time this happened to Mike, it's hard to say it isn't political. This is the action of the superiors," Thomas claimed. They wrote him up for the report thing. He was told after the last time (termination) in writing that he would fill out reports properly, Thomas said. Just because you make a few big arrest, it doesn't mean you are excluded from routine things like filling out reports. I understand some of them had wrong dates, sometimes incorrect information, some were sloppily done or not done at all. Thomas said Gamberg had not worked for the past few weeks because of a job related injury. Thomas also went on to say he had filed workman's com. citing administration related stress.
Sheila and Ricks deleted scenes:
What was "Heather" looking at to get this information? That would mean they had Tina's DNA unless one of the boys told it.
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Post by kmik on Oct 21, 2020 19:15:02 GMT -6
Been meaning to post this just forgot from 28 FB page:
For starters I have not seen anyone's interviews so I'm just going off of what has been posted. Kathy Andrea had worked in the office at Nugget Motors for years and as far as I know was working there in April 1981 so that would have been her "real" job. She also worked as a bartender at the Keddie Back Door Bar. As of April 1981 the bar was open Tuesday-Friday 11:00am till ? and Saturday and Sunday 4:00pm till ? Kathy worked for Jack Brown, who leased the bar from the Albins/Hogaboams, and she also worked with Jack at Nugget Motors. I don't find it odd that Kathy wouldn't know Marty because from what we've been told he started working at the Keddie Restaurant in 1980 and did not work for very long. Marty worked in the restaurant and Kathy worked in the bar so I really don't see how their paths would have crossed much and it appears that Kathy got a lot of her Marty info from Doug Albin. What's really strange is that Kathy said Doug A. told her Marty was seeing Sue. Did Jan Albin mention that in either of her interviews? If Doug discussed that with Kathy then why not discuss it with his wife, Jan? Maybe Doug discussed this with Kathy after the Marty stories got around.
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Post by hope on Oct 21, 2020 20:23:38 GMT -6
I know, it is so confusing. When exactly did she supposedly say she loathed and feared him and to whom....we don't know because only bits and pieces are put out. What else did she say in that report? It's so frustrating. Doug tipped her off to the supposed affair, where did that come from? She's not Kathy Beckley's bartender friend who supposedly gave the boys the ride home...is she? There hasn't been anyone else speaking of this affair has there?
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Post by kmik on Oct 21, 2020 20:42:44 GMT -6
I wouldn’t think she’s xxx bartender unless she left work and came back to the bar. I don’t think anybody much knew Marty Smartts name before the murders except for a few at FRC and Keddie and I don’t believe she lived in Keddie.
But I bet LE could trace back everyone’s “knowledge” of Marty based on when these “stories” began to come to light.
Do you think the Hogaboams or Albins were the killers since they were the resort owners and should have known immediately if the RR light was not working since they obviously passed by it on the way home? Les and Doug made the friend list too. I don’t believe that but who was telling what and when they were telling it is important and we may not know but the police did.
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Post by kmik on Oct 22, 2020 6:53:16 GMT -6
If the denim shirt laying on the table by the knife is possibly the killers is it not possible to test the inside underarm area for DNA? That may be a stretch but I'm just curious.
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Post by hope on Oct 22, 2020 12:50:36 GMT -6
Yep, don't know understand why it hasn't been done yet. Other cases have been solved this way. The David Camm case comes to mind. He was a police officer found guilty in the 2000 murder of his wife & 2 children. There was a sweatshirt not belonging to the family found at the scene. In 2005, during appeals they were able to get the sweatshirt tested for DNA. The DNA inside the sweatshirt belonged to a convicted felon. They were then able to match his DNA to touch DNA found on the victims clothing & fingernail scrapings.
So, you would think that PCOS would have sent this demin shirt out for testing in the last few years. It'd be a slam dunk, if it came back to Marty then case closed. And I don't understand how the shirt points to coverup by the previous officers. Maybe it was sent in 81, we just don't have the report yet. Either way, the technology was not available then. It was probably sent in 2004-2009 as technology evolved. I would question why it hasn't been retested recently with the advances of DNA testing in the last couple couple of years. Not too mention forensic genealogy. It just seems like a lot more is being done with other cold cases. What gives???
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Post by kmik on Oct 22, 2020 13:26:09 GMT -6
That’s what I’m thinking. Here’s a shirt that apparently doesn’t belong to the victims why not test it? Plus the sweatshirt that was on the back of the toilet in the bathroom. What the heck? With the geanology DNA testing making cold cases headline news for the last couple of years why in the world not try to put this one to rest?
It’s now 2020 and this case so far removed from 1981 PCSO so what’s the hold up? Spencer Smatt was completely into geanology that I’d find it hard to believe his isn’t in Ancestry.com! If not someone’s in the family or distant family should be.
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Post by hope on Oct 22, 2020 19:49:29 GMT -6
Yeah, I really don't understand it. I can understand the budget concerns & newer crimes being a priority, but how long can you use that as the excuse to why nothing is happening? How are other places able to overcome those obstacles? Who knows what's going on behind the scenes. But you always hear the cold case detectives say, when going through cases they look to see if there is evidence available that can be sent forensic testing and that is how they decide what cases to work on. Then the evidence is tested and when they get results they make connections, strengthen the case, etc. It just seems weird the way things are being done. When did Gamberg come of retirement to work the case? And when did meanie first mention DNA hit on the tape? Didnt Josh mention it as well? Was that before Gamberg?
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Post by kmik on Oct 22, 2020 21:22:52 GMT -6
Meanie told us this in 2015 or 2016. We asked about it again in 2017, on the small forum she had (it's still up but she doesn't use it anymore) and she said the suspect (if we could call him that)was a man and very much alive (she never said she knew who it was) and she never said it was on a piece of tape - just that they had someone's DNA that had been liked to a male who was not a threat to anyone. 2015/2016 would be while Gamberg was working the case he was hired in 2013 to work the car. Don't know how long they have actually had the match.
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Post by hope on Oct 23, 2020 11:59:10 GMT -6
Got it, thanks! I was wondering if it came out earlier. I read through Meanie's forum a year or 2 ago when you mentioned it once. But I've since forgotten her websites address, do you happen have the link?
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Post by hope on Oct 23, 2020 12:06:37 GMT -6
So....lots of new info to take in. The cardboard with blood found in 26's basement is interesting. Wonder if they still have it in evidence. Dmac made some good points, 1. why wasnt it found during the first search 2. it could have been planted by somebody and 3. sounds like Marilyn & Wade called PCOS (unless it was prearranged somehow?). It'd be nice they plan on testing it, could see if it's the victims blood & if there is any touch DNA of the perp. Or rule it out as being related. Also, if Doug Thomas & PCOS were covering up for Marty why would they add the bloody cardboard to the search report? They easily could have ommitted it from the report.
Sheila being seen hanging out with friends and smiling the day after the murders. I know everyone reacts and mourns differently, but that is odd. I'm sure that report was based on her overall observed behavior, not just a smile or 2 while hanging out with friends for some comfort. I would have been devastated to lose my family at 14 years old (well, at any age). But it was also always odd to me the way Rick, Greg, and Justin were hanging out, walking around and playing the next day too. Wasn't anyone worried about these kids safety!?! They wouldn't be out of my sight. It's strange, were the adults that uninvolved with these kids or did they feel there was nothing to worry about? It just seems like no one cared this happened, just another day.
Seeing the camp 18 photos and photos of the Tina's bindings, sad. This whole case is so sad. And has so many unanswered questions. And so many contradictions, with more now seen in Bradley's report. Was it ever reported the screams heard were female, or was that assumed? It was only reported that "muffled screams" were heard, correct? Joe Baze coming onto Sheila? So LaRhonda and Sheila both accused him of inappropriate behavior. So many creeps, perverts and pedophiles in this case, its disturbing.
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Post by kmik on Oct 23, 2020 12:48:28 GMT -6
I’ll get that address for you. Yes lots to take in. First, my take on the pics from Tinas search site, is it was awful woodsy. So if they searched an area half the size of a baseball field that was lots of ground to cover in the woods. Looks like the old shed was close to the log because you can see the roof in the background of that pic. I agree with Karis if the binding shown is related to Tina it doesn’t appear to be from some flimsy fabric as it held its shape well unless it was buried and not exposed to rain or snow.
The cardboard is a good indication they investigated all Marty claims plus I’d think cardboard could be found in most basements or garages.
yes it doesn’t appear the adults were scared for the remaining kids to be out and about. Seems like the only scared parents were the ones who were still thinking an unknown killer was still out there. If the Sharps were thinking it was Marty he was still very much in town as proven by the tapes made by Doug Thomas and his jail exchange with Wade 2 weeks later.
also I’m on the trail of Jim the ex just got a little more digging to do. That’s okay I love to dig
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Post by hope on Oct 23, 2020 15:34:25 GMT -6
Kinda funny she was found so close to the little shed thing. Makes you wonder if someone wasn't using it as some sort of shelter. At least they knew about it.
And you guys are right, those bindings are certainly very stiff. Wouldn't think slinky material would hold shape like that. The pink pantsuit, that's a head scratcher. Do you guys have any theories on it?
And yay, have fun digging! I was literally just re-reading some old posts on here including Jim the ex & thinking how we need to know more about him. Suspicious he just happens to be in town at the time & that would explain the finger pointing at marty and tie a lot of things together. Just don't know if he would have the knowledge of camp 18. Can't wait to hear what you come up with, and good job...the mysterious Jim the ex lol
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Post by kmik on Oct 24, 2020 14:44:34 GMT -6
Part of today's post from Dmac:
Can you believe it Bo was alive in 1898 and still kicking (Haha just couldn't resist a little laugh from the typo). I don't think I can stress enough how little I (and probably many, many more) care about anything related even remotely related to Bo Boubede.
Please take the time to read the post, which if I'm reading right, is suppose to prove how BO was "protected" from being arrested in the Keddie Murders because he was a "protected man" because..... he was an asset to some faction of LE? My guess would be this story didn't make the papers cause this was "CHICAGO" where they probably had bigger stories to print. Since that "supposedly" explains why LE covered for Bo, how does that even remotely explain why LE "covered" for Marty - the one that was really being accused? As someone once posted wouldn't it have been easier for some of these "corrupt" cops to have taken Marty and Bo off and killed them cause nobody was really gonna be looking for them anyway.
**** No more pics or stories on Bo Boubede please - just DNA
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