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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 3, 2018 11:24:09 GMT -6
On the phone with me, Gamberg has personally "vouched" for the Meeks boys and Cary Walke. No evidence; just "I know them. I know they didn't do it."
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Post by jmo on Mar 3, 2018 14:08:53 GMT -6
Wow. I guess we can all just move along then.
A little background on Gamberg. He worked at the Keddie bar in 1982. Just a few short months after these murders, he was wiping up p*ss in bathroom stalls and slinging drinks at a slum. He didn't hear any gossip about this crime so soon after? Really? There's a hell of a bartender. I was a clerk and all I had to say is, "How are you?" and people would give me their life story.
He was fired a couple of times by his bosses (more than one boss and more than once) for failing to file proper paper work, and laziness, etc. He hated DT, but not for the reasons we thought. It was because Gamberg wanted to run for sheriff and DT wouldn't support him in his efforts so....Gamberg started rumors about DT as payback. What are we 12? He was given access to all the murder files (there were leaks, I wonder from whom?) at the same time Josh "stole" them from the office. (Josh stole the original and replaced them with copies. So, I guess that would be stealing....) but it took Gamberg 3 years (3 years!) to mention that to anyone. And, after Josh was called out on it, Gamberg didn't go over there, guns a blazing...he allowed Josh to send the files to dmac??? An out of work, internet slueth who Gamberg (by his own admission) couldn't get along with long enough to discuss the case over a cup of coffee in an adult manner? But, now they're best buds?
Gamberg was called in to help with this "investigation" (on a consultant fee $$$) but, has yet to interview any of the players in the case? He calls himself an investigator, but who is running this show and in charge?? Dmac? Marilyn? Sheila? Justin? Not to mention Craig and all the rest of the yahoos that are still alive that may have pieces of the story...He can't drive down to talk to anyone but he has dmac flown in? Huh?
WTF has he done with his time? Looked at files? Picked his nose? Why did it take him so long to discover the 911 tape? We would have stayed up 24-7 just to dig in boxes. And, it took him HOW long and now we should cheer, pat him on the back, and tell him good job? For what?? He is getting paid some good $$ and I'd like to know what he's doing for it. Thirty + years this case has gone on and he can't make a phone call to get one GD hammer analyzed? How many of us would contribute to a fund to pay for that? My hand is raised, is yours? But, nope. Nothin. Nada.
I ask you: What the hell good is he??? Because that's one expensive booger Plumas is paying for. JMO
Anyone else he would like to "vouch" for? Let me grab my paper and a pencil and cross off his names. Oh look what I have left. Two dead hoodlums. Show us the evidence, Mike. That big gut feeling over those squat little legs isn't cutting it for me.
Unless he's just psychic. In which case, I'll have to rethink all my thoughts.
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Post by kmik on Mar 3, 2018 17:02:32 GMT -6
Jmo I do believe that is one of the best post I've ever had the pleasure of reading!! You nailed it. What has Mike Gamberg been doing all these years besides digging through old files looking for something else to send to 28? I think his work on the case can be summed up by him calling in Vidocq. But that just leads us all to wonder how they could help him solve something that's supposedly already solved. Tom's been saying this info "leak" to Josh just doesn't add up and it doesn't! The truth of that corruption is what needs to come to light. Mike and 28 have screamed corruption but the only corruption seems to be leading to his door!! You are right about the inconsistencies on the ID show but all their information was "vetted" by the best - 28 and Gamberg !
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Post by kmik on May 8, 2020 21:58:18 GMT -6
Marty Smartt (to my knowledge from info we have) never said he had a fight or words with Jan Albin on the night of April 11, 1981- and the only knowledge I have of it ever being said was from Marilyn in 2006 (?) anyway decades after 1981. Marty said Jan and Doug came down (from the restaurant) and Jan wanted the DJ to play rock-n-roll. He made it very plain in his interview that Jack was the one in charge of the bar not Jan - however the timeline shows she and Doug did come down to the bar around 11:30-12:00am:
According to Jan Albin, Les Hogaboam went home around 11:30pm and said the light at the Sharp's house was off: It does not state what time she and Doug left the bar:
It appears that Les went home from the restaurant around the same time his mother left the restaurant: No mention of Marty having words with Jan only that he was ill that she asked the band to quit playing the country music and play rocknroll instead. If the band quit playing around 1:00am and the bar stayed open till around 2:00am then I'd like to think the bar turned some type of music on to play for the people left in the bar.
PLEASE don't get me started on coverup and corruption. REMEMBER XXX Bartender did not reveal she took the boys home for decades but we're supposed to believe she knew in 1981 that Marty and Sue were a couple but nobody else did??? And he claims to be exposing the liars??
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Post by kmik on Aug 30, 2020 10:04:43 GMT -6
So good to know that Al Brubaker was chasing down information on Marty and Bo as of 9-28-81. In just a few short months he'd be throwing his hat into the ring for Sheriff so I'm guessing if there would have been absolutely ANYTHING to connect them to these murders he would have found it, or at least found enough to bring them in.
Any investigations into Marty and Bo during or after the documentaries, were due to the documentaries and not any new information. What ever wording Bill Elliot used in 2007 to obtain info from the VA Hospital was used just for that specific reason "to obtain info from the VA Hospital". The 2011 anniversary article made it clear there was a follow up report by the DOJ with the therapist in 1981. This same article also said the PCSO and Josh Hancock had a "falling out" because PCSO thought Josh did not have enough info to release the documentary. Here's what Josh posted in a 2011 chat:
So Bill Elliot was the one who said they didn't have enough info and he should have known because apparently Bill was in the Keddie Room when they were grabbing/stealing whatever they could get and he knew they only had bits and piece.
Also lest I forget, that "wack-job" Donna's sister was a good friend of Kathy B. And remind me why were suppose to consider Donna to be the ultimate liar but not her friend Terry A?
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Post by kmik on Sept 2, 2020 20:27:40 GMT -6
Oh my, oh my where to start? I'm beginning to feel like I'm seriously in the twilight zone. This has gone so far from the Keddie Case that I'm just trying to figure out who the liars are - or if they are all in it together (and I'm not talking about Don, Doug, Dee, Dale, Blaine, etc...…………………………………).
It was brought to my attention today that D wrote a post (yesterday?) describing a visit he and Vickie had with Mike Gamberg which led to Mike being so dumbfounded that he was apparently in dire need of a forklift to hoist his chin up off the floor AFTER learning that Sheila's fingerprints were on the bulb. What? Was that read to me correctly?? Mike Gamberg has been on this case from 2013-2019 and here is something else he didn't know? What in the world was Plumas paying him to do all those years? Is this some sick joke cause I ain't getting it.
Was Mike really shocked to find out that Sheila's prints were on a bulb that was in the porchlight of the cabin that she lived in? How does that make Sheila the killer since Mike thought the killers wore gloves:
FRB April 13, 2018:
Dmac posted this stuff, that he got from MIKE GAMBERG, on his FB page weeks ago. So are we to believe they hadn't already discussed this - good Lord they are both right there in Quincy. I can't believe Mike's not been reading his forum or FB page just waiting for D to drop all of the "big balls" that he didn't feel comfortable dropping himself. And nobody questions him at all about any of this. Are they seriously that scared of being banned from his forum OR do they seriously know so little about this case or what Gamberg has said in previous interviews?? People know your stuff so you don't drink the Kool-Aid. Okay now we have Sheila's print, the Butte tape, and the love letter and Lord only knows what else. Why is Gamberg letting him set him up to be the idiot? There's gotta be something going on here this is too crazy.
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Post by karis on Sept 3, 2020 9:06:58 GMT -6
Okay confused again, what was their purpose in meeting with Marty's children if they already knew what happened in 28. Were Sheila and Richard wondering if their names had been mentioned by Marty as being involved too? Did they wonder if he mentioned any other names? If they infact were involved they didn't need Marty's children to tell them anything.
Did Mike talk to Marty's children about what Richard told him? With this case gaining national attention, and Marty dead, did Mike ask the kids to help force Plumas co. to close the case by them providing their DNA?
Could Marty have repeated to his kids what Justin told him and Marilyn that morning? Were they wanting to tell Sheila of their father's confession, or of their fathers theory that "it was a drug deal gone bad."
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Post by karis on Sept 8, 2020 16:25:20 GMT -6
Well here i go again.
In April of 2016, Marilyn came on the forum and said she had submitted her DNA in 2015 and she said she was told by an investigator that everything checked out fine. Now are we to believe her DNA was in that cabin, Mike Gamberg knew this and let her go quietly, Hagwood took him off the case, she died and he handed off files to dmac and Victoria to investigate?
Now when the "new" hammer was found and Marilyn was either brought in or came in on her own, that is probably when they got her DNA or maybe they already had it. Who knows, but anyway I am sure if they told her they had Justin's she was upset. But then again i'm sure Justin told them alot of what happened in 28 that morning. That was big talk in that small town. To think they didn't discuss it is so shocking to me. We are talking about this 40 years later so why wouldn't she, Marty, and Bo NOT discussed it that morning. They had an eye witness or survivor in the same house with them. Maybe that's why Marty called Justin outside and told him not to talk about it again. But that is only the way I see it.
I would think the FBI were trying to get Marilyn to tell them what, if anything, Justin had told them that morning. But once again 2016 just brings another group of FBI agents who are in on this biggggggg conspiracy. All this information was taken on Mike Gamberg's watch, not Doug Thomas, Crim or Bradley, Ken Shanks, Don Stoy, ect, ect, ect. So if the information dmac is "feeding" to facebook is true why no arrest in this case.
If you take just a grain of truth and mix it with alot of speculation to further a theory, the truth becomes clouded and it just remains speculation. You cannot prove what is not true.
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Post by karis on Sept 14, 2020 20:52:21 GMT -6
Just watched the "Forgotten West Memphis Three" and was very impressed with how well Mr. Ruff laid this case out. But he was able to do that because he had - and still has - a true desire for justice for these victims and their families and not a desire to dig through files in order to "prove" his theory correct.
Marty, Bo, and Marilyn are dead. Lay down those files and go talk to the living. Go talk to Don Davis, Ricky Sharp, Greg Sharp, Sheila Sharp (oops he can't), Justin Eason (oops he can't) Wade, Dee, Blaine, Tony, and Pedrini. There is no way anyone with an interest in this case would still be pouring over case files and listening to cassette tapes months after gaining access to them - Im pretty sure most of us could have wrapped all that up in about a week, or less and so has he. It's just not there. It wasn't there for the PCSO in 1981, it wasn't there for Gamberg, and it wasn't there for "Perry" if so these files would not now rest in the hands of a forum administrator because they would have CLOSED THE CASE. It's just not there. No coverup no corruption that has anything to do with Keddie. They couldn't get the truth from Justin, and they couldn't get Marty or Marilyn to tell them what Justin knew. Wow it's almost as if Justin was the lone survivor - but he wasn't. This case is never going to be solved which is why these files were handed off. Keddie case botched by Greg and Mike and Josh and Mike and Dave. What a circus so sad
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Post by karis on Sept 17, 2020 20:05:06 GMT -6
For the three or four that read and participate on this forum, sorry but i have to reply to the newest post on facebook. And since i am blocked from replying on his facebook i will put it here. We know he slithers around to every forum to see what's being said.
!. Your(d) anger against anyone in this case, whether a survivor, victim, or suspect, is really troubling. You really need to seek help. What is this to you? It wasn't your family, so why all the hate and name calling. Maybe you just need to pack your crap, go home to your boyfriend, and do what Marty did, GO TO COUNSELING!!!! Your 18 or so followers will be waiting on you.
With that being said:
One finger print (Sheila's) makes all that true? Sheila, according to her testimony, did know Justin was there. And what she said in 81 stands unless she or someone else contradicts her original statement.
YOU did not discover who Bo was, Ausgirl did. What is the Tunabi? Loonibi and Tunabi is so 2nd grade, just say what you mean.
Once again, no fact for your assessment of Sheila. Your are not a doctor. And again, why are you so mad? Maybe you are really mad at yourself for following that mafia pig trail down that lonnnnggg and winding wrong road?
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Post by raemen2 on Sept 19, 2020 3:56:08 GMT -6
So... he has thrown out the Marty/Marilyn/Bo theory (which solved the crime) and now says Shelia is responsible for the murders? Based of the evidence her finger print was on the outdoor light bulb? Wouldn’t this evidence only be a “bomb shell” if it is documented that Sheila told police she never changed light bulbs in the home?
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Post by kmik on Sept 19, 2020 6:51:11 GMT -6
Yes Ramen, but it's much much deeper than that. Little old 14 year old Sheila Sharp was able to persuade Marty & CO. (anywhere from 4 to 10 people and subject to change from day to day) to actually commit the murders. But her plan got thrown off when Justin ended up staying in 28 because nobody knew he'd be there (it's hard to type that without laughing) so because the killers were surprised that Justin was spending the night in 28 then they couldn't kill Ricky and Greg BUT instead made them all participate to keep them quite. Wow that really doesn't do much to explain the mystery of why Tina was killed and she was probably closer to Justin than Ricky or Greg so why wasn't she allowed to participate and live??
Now here's where a lot of people will use the therapist claim that Marty said Tina had to die because she was a witness BUT if 3 boys were forced to participate then 3 boys were witnesses - so that make no sense either.
I am more convinced than ever that the police were questioning Marty and Marilyn in the hope that they would tell them what Justin had told them. IF Doug Thomas and Ken Shanks put a drunk Marty Smart in the car with them and tape recorded him it was because they were hoping to catch him on tape telling what he knew - if that was part of some conspiracy to cover for him the tape would have NEVER survived!! Justin had/has everyone stumped and on the edge of their seats and from the info we have it appears that Doug Thomas (in the 3 months he was involved in the case) tried everything he knew to get Justin to open up.
From the PON list:
I do not question Doug Thomas (who was Sheriff when these murders happened) desire to stay informed on the case and Dmac (who has no connection to this case whatsoever other than reading about it while working at a radio station when he was 14 years old) really shouldn't. And yes Ramen where is a report of what Sheila said in response to her print being on the bulb of the house she lived in? Just because Dmac doesn't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Post by kmik on Sept 22, 2020 6:46:44 GMT -6
Let's face it if the VA "counselor" went into anymore "detail" in his interview with Josh in 2010 than he did with the police in 1981 then I have to question where he got his "details" from. The Vet Center in Reno had just opened in March 1981 around the same time Marty supposedly began to go there. This was a very informal place where Vets could come for coffee and conversation with other Vets.
What's funny is that on April 22, 1981 (the day after Marilyn's interview with LE) while these murders were all over the newspaper and the talk of the town, the Reno Vet Center presented a "Delayed Stress Syndrome" seminar at the FRC and I'd love to know who the speaker was. This place had only been open for a month and here they were in little old Quincy.
So in 2016 Richard tells police that Marty Smartt's children were willing to tell Sheila (in the early 2000's) what Marty told them happened but they backed out the day before because Uncle Spencer had discouraged them from doing so?? Well certainly Mike contacted them about this - wouldn't want this to be another "blood on Sue's car" story. As far as I know Marty's children are still living and their uncle has supposedly been dead for awhile so what's to keep them from talking now? I would love to hear anything from them.
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Post by jmo on Sept 22, 2020 22:46:12 GMT -6
Not sure where to put this so I'm just putting it here. Want you to know I drop in a lot on here, as I'm sure others do. If I have nothing to add, I don't. But, I sure do love you guys. There is no other place to read up on Keddie like here. Good job. Chin up. Keep going. <3
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Post by snoho17 on Sept 25, 2020 16:51:17 GMT -6
After following a few diff boards through the years my biggest take away is D doesn't understand occams razor and should stop referring to it every other day.
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