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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 4, 2020 1:02:13 GMT -6
There is a sub-forum on this site to discuss the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey in Boulder CO. One of the oddest characters in the whole case is oil company executive Fleet White Jr., the best friend of JonBenet's father John Ramsey. Fleet grew up in California before moving to Boulder CO sometime in the 90s, following his father Fleet White Sr. (owner of the oil business that employed Fleet Jr.) who was a California native largely relocated to Aspen CO. When Fleet Sr. grew up in Southern California, he was good friends with a man named Gordon Christoff. The families remained close into their adult years and Fleet Sr. even become the godfather to Gordon's daughter Gwen Christoff (later Gwen Krebs). In February 2000, a California woman named Nancy Krebs came forward to claim that she had been abused since childhood by a pedophile ring with links to key people from the JonBenet Ramsey murder case. From the time she was a toddler, Nancy's mother Gwen Krebs purportedly allowed her to be abused by numerous adult men with links to the family. Those men included Thomas Boykin and Macky Boykin, sleazy members of a working-class family in Trona CA who all worked for the local Kerr-McGee plant, as well as Fleet White Sr. (the apparent ringleader), Fleet White Jr., and John Ramsey. Nancy's abuse precisely mirrored the same kind of injuries that JonBenet suffered at her death, she had documentation linking her to the Whites, and Boulder law enforcement never once disputed her account of her abuse. However, the Boulder police claimed that her information had no connection to the Ramsey case and closed the books on it. Rather remarkable considering that she implicated JonBenet's father and his closest friend in child sexual abuse that matched what happened to JonBenet. Nancy's story has many rabbit holes, but the one most relevant to this Manson sub-forum is Gwen Krebs's alleged association with Manson Family member Catherine Gillies. Gillies' maternal grandparents owned Myers Ranch, in Death Valley near Trona CA, which the Family briefly relocated to after their stay at Spahn Ranch before moving into the nearby Barker Ranch. It just so happens that Nancy not only claimed her mother was friends with Gillies, but that she had taken Nancy to the Family's ranch out in Death Valley circa 1968, when Nancy was just 6 or 7. Nancy also claimed that her abusers had once shown her items purportedly taken from the LaBianca home to intimidate her with their power and influence. So if Nancy's story is true, there would appear to be a direct link between Fleet White Sr.'s ring of child abusers and the group of people behind the murders attributed to the Family. Of course, we don't have much besides Nancy's own words, but the pieces fit well. Gwen was living in the same area around Trona that the Manson Family was staying at, and the Inyo County DA LaJoie "Buck" Gibbons who prosecuted one of Nancy's abusers Macky Boykin had formerly prosecuted the Manson gang after their 1969 arrest in Death Valley. Purportedly, there is a photo from one of the ranch raids with children being taken out and rounded up by the police, and one of them might be a young blond girl who looked like Nancy. I have never been able to find this photo myself, however. It is quite interesting to consider the possibility that two of the biggest murder cases of the 20th century, the Manson murders and the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, could be linked. But nothing will likely surprise readers of this forum anymore. |
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 4, 2020 8:06:37 GMT -6
The Whites keep their family business hush-hush. Like relatives of serial killers and other HIGH profile "witnesses," Russell Fleet White II has had his public records erased.
I wonder if the Krebs "family" knew Cameron. If they knew Gillies and her mother's family the Meyers, and if they lived in the area, they would have a pretty good idea who was living there. The population density of that whole region is close to zero.
When White II and his family moved to Boulder, he had no job, just income. He said he was looking for "business opportunities" in Boulder. Immediately, he and his family rrreeeaaalllly latched onto the Ramseys. Almost like leeches. Fleet III has a very, very impressive resume of his own. And he's only 31. He's like a Chelsea Clinton, but in Defense Contracting (K Street,) instead of Wall Street. I don't see how he did that without some pull from John Ramsey. Which explains his leeching onto John Ramsey the day his feet hit the ground in Boulder. (Or at least, Ramsey's other "friends.") Especially when the Whites are supposed to be enemies (now) of the Ramseys.
And of course, the Meyers and other ranch owners were always interested in prospectors of all sorts, including oil and gas.
I need to double-check, but I think Cathy Gillies was a local teenaged girl befriended by Cameron when Cameron stayed at the Barker Ranch. I have a hunch that's how Cathy became acquainted with Manson--through Cameron. There are too many coincidences between Cameron and Charlie for Cathy to lead Charlie to Barker Ranch by coincidence.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 4, 2020 13:34:22 GMT -6
What I find interesting is that William S. Burroughs and the pedophile Allan Ginsburg were somehow involved with Naropa in Boulder. The man Miles who the Ramsey's blamed for the murder was referred to his attorney Lee Hill by Allan Ginsburg. Burroughs was most likely a pedophile as well. The character of Mackie Boykin seems interesting. How long did he serve in prison? I found an obituary for a Mackie Ray Boykin, not sure if it's the same guy though.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 4, 2020 13:36:02 GMT -6
There was a teacher from Nederland CO. Named David White who abused some kids from his class. It would be interesting if he was related to Fleet. There's a lot of people with the White surname though.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 4, 2020 14:13:07 GMT -6
It's Mackey. I was reading articles where it was spelled 3 different ways, Macky, Mackie, and Mackey lol. Not the obituary I seen.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 4, 2020 19:39:12 GMT -6
Burroughs was most definitely a pederast.
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 4, 2020 21:37:26 GMT -6
He is Macky Eugene Boykin, a former US Navy veteran in the Korean War deceased November 9, 1995. Not much is public about him, including the details of his conviction for molesting Nancy, but he served a very light sentence after having most of the charges dropped in a plea agreement, and his family members continue to defend him by claiming that Nancy came on to him (the classic excuse  ). I have been trying to dig up the records on his Inyo County case and will update people with that. |
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 4, 2020 21:56:11 GMT -6
The Whites keep their family business hush-hush. Like relatives of serial killers and other HIGH profile "witnesses," Russell Fleet White II has had his public records erased. I wonder if the Krebs "family" knew Cameron. If they knew Gillies and her mother's family the Meyers, and if they lived in the area, they would have a pretty good idea who was living there. The population density of that whole region is close to zero. When White II and his family moved to Boulder, he had no job, just income. He said he was looking for "business opportunities" in Boulder. Immediately, he and his family rrreeeaaalllly latched onto the Ramseys. Almost like leeches. Fleet III has a very, very impressive resume of his own. And he's only 31. He's like a Chelsea Clinton, but in Defense Contracting (K Street,) instead of Wall Street. I don't see how he did that without some pull from John Ramsey. Which explains his leeching onto John Ramsey the day his feet hit the ground in Boulder. (Or at least, Ramsey's other "friends.") Especially when the Whites are supposed to be enemies (now) of the Ramseys. And of course, the Meyers and other ranch owners were always interested in prospectors of all sorts, including oil and gas. I need to double-check, but I think Cathy Gillies was a local teenaged girl befriended by Cameron when Cameron stayed at the Barker Ranch. I have a hunch that's how Cathy became acquainted with Manson--through Cameron. There are too many coincidences between Cameron and Charlie for Cathy to lead Charlie to Barker Ranch by coincidence. That would be very interesting if Gwen Krebs happened to know Marjorie Cameron. The fact that Cameron stayed at a ranch nearby combined with all the other connections to the Manson group does make it very likely that if Gwen knew Cappie Gillies, she knew Cameron also. It does seem to me like John Ramsey was the money man of the pedophile group. Actually, Nancy Krebs talked about something like this, saying that "Uncle Johnny" (i.e. John Ramsey) was the one who set up front companies to launder proceeds from child pornography. I wouldn't even be surprised if Access Graphics was really being used for this purpose, with its massive $1 billion in revenue. Fleet Jr., like you say, doesn't seem to have had an actual job, just the financial backing of his father who actually held the purse strings. Indeed, I suspect that Fleet Sr. wielded his financial control to get Fleet Jr. to move to Boulder to be closer to him in Aspen, maybe for the purposes of this pedophile ring. I'll have to check my notes but I heard that some tabloid reporter managed to get ahold of a recording of Fleet Sr. and Jr. heatedly arguing over something after JonBenet's murder. Fleet III's background is really fascinating indeed. That just goes to show the level of connections that this group had. I don't know if you've noticed, but his LinkedIn page has recently been taken down. |
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 5, 2020 5:53:16 GMT -6
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, we're going to talk about Access Graphics and kiddie porn. For now, let's talk about Fleet II attaching himself to the Ramseys like a barnacle, then throwing them overboard. IFYKWIM.
Specifically, Fleet III is K Street's Navy salesman in the Senate. It would seem he was groomed for that from an early age. You don't suddenly decide to go to those schools on a whim. It takes years to plan that path, and years to advance along it. Fleet III started on that path not long after JonBenet died. Was Burke supposed to be Fleet III? The murder of JBR wasn't done just for kicks. If these people are part of a cult, then her sacrifice was intended to increase someone's power. Or block someone's power. Whose?
I made a big deal on the podcast (and will again) about the Arlis Perry murder being BOTH a sex magick ritual, AND a simultaneous sacrificial murder. If I understand it correctly, Crowleyism teaches that the best place to perform a sex magick ritual is on the site of violent death, as much and as violent as possible. Crowley suggested a battlefield would be perfect. Not only a LOT of pain and death, but most of the victims would be considered more or less virtuous. That is, a battlefield is not like a place of execution, where those killed are criminals or evildoers. The more death, the more pain and torture, the more INNOCENT, the better. And the sooner after the battle, the better, before the energy drains away.
Suppose you don't have a "battlefield" handy? You have to create one. Like at Cielo Drive? It seems possible that Altobelli and Melcher were literally rushing to reoccupy the house before the blood dried. And they were apparently in a sexual relationship. And both of them were HUNGRY for more Hollyweird power in their careers. The victims died slowly, horribly, and extremely violently. Crowley would surely certify the site as sex-magick ready.
At the Perry murder scene, which is undoubtedly not only Satanic, but specifically, Crowleyesque, we find blood and semen in ritualistic locations. This was not "only" a human sacrifice. It was ALSO A SEX MAGICK RITUAL. An altar candle was used to violate Arliss. (There was no definite sign of "regular" rape.) The murder provides the violent death; the Church location provides the Innocence. I still wonder if Arlis's marriage had been consummated.
At the JonBenet scene, there was blood and--what??? The autopsy revealed the presence of a fluid consistent with semen or saliva all over her thigh/loin area, which, along with the blood, had been "wiped off" with a DARK colored cloth. Her original panties, and that cloths, were never found. Where did they go? You don't have to be a "cult" expert to know that a black cloth soaked in the blood of a child and the semen of the men who raped and tortured her to death sounds like just the thing to bring to a Black Mass. And "they" did it on FUCKING CHRISTMAS DAY. You've seen The Wicker Man, right? What day of the year is the sacrificial Fool sacrificed, again?
The pathologist never actually got around to saying exactly WHY the fluid "wasn't" semen, and was "probably" saliva. In 1996, the most definitive test was for signs of a protein that causes the semen to change viscosity over time. The pathologist was not able to recover enough dried fluid in order to perform any such conclusive test one way or the other. And that's a hell of a lot of "saliva." So, it COULD have been semen. (One DNA expert argues that the most recent DNA test showed the DNA of TWO or more men.) And bear in mind, one ME bent over backwards to avoid seeing ANY evidence of PRIOR sexual abuse, and tried and tried to downplay the "rape" angle of the case. Another ME was far more willing to state it HAD occurred. In ANY case, there was no doubt JBR had been brutally violated. A splinter of varnished wood was found inside her vaginal tract. We have no idea what the posture of her little body was, because the body was moved by her "father." It IS funny that her panites were gone, but not her pajama pants. Had she and her PJ pants been laid out in the same pattern as Arlis? We'll never know. But "somebody" dressed her in new panties (that only a parent would have been able to find) and put her PJ pants back on. My point is, her panties (and the cloth used to clean her up) were gone, but not the pants. And her death was PROLONGED with a garotte.
Supposedly, there were drops of blood from an unidentifiable "male" on the NEW panties. How did the "killer" cut himself, when no sharp weapons were used on the victim? The "save the Ramseys at all costs" team purport that this blood came from a cut from the glass in the broken basement window, but there was an intact spider web just outside the window, and NO other blood spots anywhere else in the basement. Did the sacrificers prick themselves to get some of their own blood to mix with JBR's blood? BUT--"Satanic" or not--JBR's torture, rape, and murder were "ritualistic" by any forensic definition of the word.
And the two PRIME suspects were men (with ambitious wives) hungry for all the power they could get. And got. Was this some kind of weird "spirit marriage" between JBR (a "shakhti") and Fleet III? If that sounds crazy, let me direct you to what we KNOW about this crime. You pick a saner motive.
Like I said, Access Graphics will come up again...
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Post by anyhoo on Oct 26, 2020 10:32:15 GMT -6
The Whites keep their family business hush-hush. Like relatives of serial killers and other HIGH profile "witnesses," Russell Fleet White II has had his public records erased. I wonder if the Krebs "family" knew Cameron. If they knew Gillies and her mother's family the Meyers, and if they lived in the area, they would have a pretty good idea who was living there. The population density of that whole region is close to zero. When White II and his family moved to Boulder, he had no job, just income. He said he was looking for "business opportunities" in Boulder. Immediately, he and his family rrreeeaaalllly latched onto the Ramseys. Almost like leeches. Fleet III has a very, very impressive resume of his own. And he's only 31. He's like a Chelsea Clinton, but in Defense Contracting (K Street,) instead of Wall Street. I don't see how he did that without some pull from John Ramsey. Which explains his leeching onto John Ramsey the day his feet hit the ground in Boulder. (Or at least, Ramsey's other "friends.") Especially when the Whites are supposed to be enemies (now) of the Ramseys. And of course, the Meyers and other ranch owners were always interested in prospectors of all sorts, including oil and gas. I need to double-check, but I think Cathy Gillies was a local teenaged girl befriended by Cameron when Cameron stayed at the Barker Ranch. I have a hunch that's how Cathy became acquainted with Manson--through Cameron. There are too many coincidences between Cameron and Charlie for Cathy to lead Charlie to Barker Ranch by coincidence. You said that when Fleet White Jr and his family moved to Boulder he had no job but how do we know that? Can any of the information about Fleet White Jr in Colorado be trusted not to be disinformation? Remember that John Ramsey claimed that he first met the Whites in 1994 and they were living in a small rental house but that story is too incredible to be believed knowing the wealth of the family that Fleet White Jr. comes from. Personally I do not trust any of the publicly released information about Fleet White Jr. in Colorado to be the truth. I contend that a high level cover up is in place to conceal the truth about Fleet White Jr.'s presence in Colorado and his involvement in Fleet Oil Company. The story that they want us to believe about Fleet White Jr., which you basically repeated as if it was fact, is highly suspect not to be the truth. Certainly nothing that John Ramsey or Fleet White Jr. say (both known liars) can be trusted unless independently verified. I know next to nothing about Fleet White III but knowing the family he comes from I would suspect he is the heir of the family fortune and that he is a Satanist just like his father and his grandfather. You say that Fleet White III is in defense contracting. What is your source for that information? |
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 27, 2020 21:25:10 GMT -6
Good questions, all. That will be explored in detail soon. The short answer is, I think Fleet Jr's real job in Boulder was keeping a firm eye on the Ramseys. Around the clock. He had no other formal employment with any company. He just leeched onto the Ramseys morning noon and night. Long story short.
In Boulder, Fleet Jr and family lived in a pretty modest little house--very, very close to the Ramsey mansion.
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). I have been trying to dig up the records on his Inyo County case and will update people with that.