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Post by elantric on Aug 23, 2020 18:57:17 GMT -6
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Post by Morgana on Sept 11, 2020 16:58:50 GMT -6
Greetings,
When I think of how Bill Garretson says he got the job minding the property for Rudolph Altobelli. He says he was hitch hiking and more or less Rudy needed some help and Bill needed the cash. That's how it came about. I just can't believe that. Garretson states he'd been in LA about7-8 months at the time he met Rudy. I did a lot of hitch hiking in my teens, started in 1972 at the age of 13. Scary looking back but I get how many were doing it. There was a freedom in it, you met people, you partied and for the most it was pretty innocent. But when I think of what Rudy owns and you are leaving that all with a stranger? Come on.
Listening to the Garretson interview with Brian on TLB Radio. Very painful to get through twice. He almost sounds like he is distancing himself from Steve Parent. And like his really didn't know him. He didn't recall if Steve had been there before that night of the murders, wanted to sell him a stupid clock radio, etc... Bill, in my observations is an opportunist. Somewhat lazy,and he's not naive. Parent apparently was bi-sexual. The police apparently ran tests to see if there was any evidence of sexual activity on his body. There was none. When I saw video, many photos trying to get an idea of the layout of everything that night. The buildings, pool, walkway, edge of the property, the murdered bodies on the lawn. I question if anyone would know how to get from the parking area to the guest house in the dark with outside lighting without knowing the way. There's been talk that Bill and Steve may have had an encounter or two sexually.
The brother of the gentleman who ID the bodies the following day. Stated in an interview in 2019, that Jay Sebring was bi-sexual and so was Roman. OK, nothing wrong with that. I wondered what Rudy's sexual preferences are? My point lifestyle similarities. A tight inner circle perhaps. Times were very different in 1969 then now.
Perhaps Bill had an opportunity or opportunities with Rudy and it lead to the caretaker position, paying 35.00 US a week. Which is about 247.00- 250.00 today. That was a lot of money in 1969. I could believe that more then the story he gives. Rudy leaves a stranger access to his property,to his belongings in the guest house. Along with a Rolodex with Rudy's numbers whoever they may consist of. You have to have a certain amount of trust established or you are a total idiot.
From the trial transcripts, this Freedman who Parent phoned from Bill's. His testimony and timeline sounds credible. Using that as a beginning for the night. Parent leaves with his radio but at some point I wonder if he didn't come back to Cielo Dr. Intending on he and Bill partying. But he encountered the murder mayhem coming up to the main house property. He may have seen something heading for the walkway. Turned back and ran for his life. Maybe the idea was selling the clock radio for some dope money. Getting the dope and coming back to share with Bill.
Anyone else question Bill's relationship/friendship with Rudy? And Bill and Steve knowing each other better then Bill states. Bugloisi went out of his way to fabricate that official timeline. Which doesn't make any sense. The clock radio may have never been plugged in. And none of that was established.
I question these men and their sexual relationships. Intertwining them.
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 13, 2020 8:55:38 GMT -6
Why do you think hitchhiking was outlawed? Prostitution. Why do you think Charlie's girls were hitchhiking in Beverly Hills? Prostitution. Why do you think Dennis Wilson picked up Charlie's girls whilst (snicker) they were hitchhiking? "Hitchhiking" became a euphemism for prostitution. (I'm not saying YOU were a prostitute, dear. What I'm saying is, it was very, very common. Surely, you must have noticed that at least some of your rides assumed you were a working girl.) So, when Altobelli and Garretson told police that they met through "hitchhiking" the cops knew what they meant. It doesn't mean Billy was literally "hitchhiking." See what I mean? And when Billy tells cops he met Stevie via "hitchhiking," they knew what he meant then, too. It was (and is, of course) a way for a person to tell cops the "truth" without obligating the cops to arrest them for it. It's like when you read or listen to cops interview Billy Doyle, and they tell him, "Yeah, we know about the drugs. We're not here to bust you for that, so just tell us about the murders," which is very illegal, they don't have to do that if the POI knows the "code." "How did you meet Mr Garretson?" "Uh, I picked him up hitchhiking." That way, the cops don't have to tangle up their homicide investigation by being legally obligated to follow up on a charge of soliticing. See?
Now, can I prove 10,000 percent beyond a shadow of a doubt that was what "hitchhiking" meant in every single one of these interviews? No. But it's pretty obvious. And the more we find out about these people... [Remember when Eddie Murphy got busted with trans prostitute in his car? Remember how he spent MONTHS "explaining" it, over and over? Remember where he picked him up at?] I mean, even Charlie knew that Altobelli was "a homosexual" who lived behind the main house. He didn't know that from knocking on his door once. He probably supplied Altobelli with boys at least once or twice. Hell, he may have introduced him to Garretson. Garretson had been arrested in a park once. What do you think he was doing in a park that would get him arrested? Krenwinkel seemed to have been more "popular" among Charlie's Johns than Susan Atkins. Dennis Wilson had a thing for her. Altobelli probably did, too. She was there often enough. As a duet, she and Tex may have been a Featured Attraction for a list of Hollyweirdos.
Back to your question. There was a sunken path, separated from the main front "yard" by a fence (that Steven backed into) that led directly to the guest house. IIRC, there were lamp posts along the way, too. And dim light coming from the neighbor's lights. So, it was pretty easy to find your way to the guest house. But I'm sure Parent had been there before, anyway. "Patty Montgomery" had been there several times.
Oh, and about the clock radio that was apparently stopped at 12:15, shortly before Parent was murdered? Remember the OTHER electric clock, stopped at 7:02 (right? Something like that) found at James Sharp's apartment? According to the ME, that's shortly before Doreen died. And according to one of the "witnesses," the clock was probably going to be used for an "auditing" session along with an e-meter. They arrived at Sharp's apartment between 6:45 and 7:00. He apparently unplugged the clock, moved it to the table, then never plugged it in. Doreen, who had been frantically shopping around all day for an auditor, apparently changed her mind at the last second, and they decided to go see "a show" (that's what we Hoosiers call movies here in Mizzurrah) instead. And James wanted to take the bus, but Doreen INSISTED on hitchhiking...
Rule Number One: There is no such thing as a "random" murder.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 14, 2020 9:03:20 GMT -6
Thanks for the feed back Tom. Regarding hitching in my city in the early 70s and we were all very naive kids having what we thought was fun and adventures. It wasn't Toronto (1 hr away from my city) And when you mention it, yes the odd person actually did think I and a girlfriend were street sex workers. Although it wasn't the norm.
I do recall that about Doyle and the cop saying we aren't interested in the dope...
I still think that clock radio doesn't prove anything with the time line.
Regarding Sharps apt. I think that is a different story. And I personally haven't read much on this case...just those reports, with my faulty memory. What did strike me when going over the police report is how Doreen's body, like Abigail's had far more stab wounds and was obviously more violent. There was a hell of a lot of murders going on in that area for a period.
Garretson really strikes me as being a sleazy person. RIP.
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Post by elantric on Sept 28, 2020 16:57:22 GMT -6
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Post by louie on Aug 17, 2021 19:45:47 GMT -6
This is probably nothing but right before Parent left he called David Gerrold, a popular sci-fi author. Gerrold is a homosexual, who, in some really, uhh, fierce FB posts spoke about he was 'in the process of falling in love' w/ Steven Parent. I mean he doesn't name him but it's obvious that's who he is talking about. Dudes name is Steve. Anyway, none of that is remotely relevant to anything. Parent was a good looking kid who apparently swung that way. Gerrold was 25 to Parent's 18 but idk if that's a big deal (really, I have no idea.) And it makes sense that some kid living & working in LA would fall in w/ Hollywood types. What's weird is that Gerrold co-created a show called 'Land of the Lost' and the patriarch's name was Rick Marshall. Rick Marshall lived down that way, close enough anyway, in '66 at least, and he had the same proclivities as Gerrold, apparently*. Marshall is a pretty spooky guy, changing his name, forever changing his birthdate, living in Roswell, working for Boeing (?- I don't know if that'd be spooky but it seems that way w/ him.) Marshall allegedly 'decorated' his walls w/ 'pornographic photos of young boys.' He allegedly took naked pics of his landladies epileptic son (who, after complaining, drowned?) He, allegedly, had a large collection of women's handbags & shoes? I don't think for one second that Marshall was the Zodiac. And I don't know how much of that is true. And I also don't know if there is any relevance to Gerrold (possibly) naming a patriarch after him. The other creator was a man named Allan Foshko, Van Johnson's partner, who would have traveled in these circles during these times. He had a bizarre obsession w/ a knothole that drove his cosmic, daliesque artwork and obsession w/ eastern philosophy. Also wanted to point out that H.R. Pufnstuf, an absolutely terrifying children's character, resembles Rick Marshall. Here's an article about him:  Below is an email from Rick Marshall, at least according to a guy not popular around here (this isn't an endorsement) Subject: silly man!!
From: rikitik**
how can you waste time and energy on this dead horse Your information regarding me is fifth or sixth hand, for instance: I never lived in a warehouse in Marin. I leased an industrial property at 36A Front st in which included a four room fully equipped apartment. If I find any further scurrilous debasing dope handed out from this source, be prepared to defend a personal damage suit by a first-rate attorney, sgd Richard R MarshallThis all probably means nothing. I read 'Programmed to Kill' about 10 years ago and maybe it's still influencing my perception. Just seems like there may have been a clutch of pederasts/misogynists pulling off, or at least involved with these crimes, possibly including ALA. And these guys had ties to the Manson-y drug scenes, Hollywood and the like. I don't mean to slander anyone w/ any ignorance I'm ignorant of either. Just seemed like a really weird coincidence. I guess all coincidences are weird tho, Idk * Gerrold writes positively about man/boy love, apparently. I mean he says he doesn't and says why but I can't really delve into this subject too much **rikitik is military slang. I thought it had something to do w/ the mikado but that was because of a kid's book. |
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 18, 2021 9:12:12 GMT -6
Thanks very much!!!
Actually, you're not only on the right track, but Gerald Freeman, MD (aka David Gerrold) is not only an MD psychiatrist, specializing in sexually abused children, and not only did he write a novel based on his experiences ADOPTING a sexually abused boy (he was the FIRST single gay man to legally adopt a child) but that novel includes an MD psychiatrist specializing in sexualy abused children telling the gay man who adopts a sexually abused little boy that it's okay to go ahead and have sexual contact with the little boy since he's already been sexualized. I'm not joking, nor am I exaggerating. I asked Gerrold point blank, "Why do you keep your MD (from a highly respected school that specializes in treating sexually abused children) a secret from your fans?" No answer.
Know who else is a "doctor" treating traumatized kids? Arlis Perry's widowed husband. Know who else is involved in "music therapy," along with organic farming (from, like, Day One) and sacrificing dogs to drink their blood? Barry Dossenko, aka "Larry Milenko," late of Minot, ND.
This "idea" that the best treatment for abused children is to abuse them in a "healthy" way is behind "music therapy." And other "therapies" for children. And LOTS of people in this "blob" are involved in it in different ways.
As a Literature Professor, let me assure you, Puffnstuff is almost pornographic. And it is very interesting that someone alleged that Puffnstuff was based on Rick Marshall.
And one big player in all of this, Philip Arthur Thompson, had a warehouse on Hunter's Point used for smuggling narcotics, weapons, child porn, and people. 36A Front St San Rafael is very, very, very interesting. Very. The Front Club was next door.
Marshall once worked at Boeing. I wonder if he ever worked for any other aircraft company, including Lockheed or companies later acquired by Lockheed...
Speaking of the North American Man-Boy Love Association, Jack Kerouac once lived in the same town near Santa Barbara as little Bobby Beausoleil, at just the right age for Bobby B to have been groomed and abused by Kerouac and his NAMBLA buddy Alan Ginsberg. So, what? How could Jack Kerouac ever MEET little Bobby B? Well, They had something very, very interesting in common--they were both children of poor Quebecois immigrants who had settled in Lowell, Massachusetts, and worked in the textile mills, there. And little Bobby B was far from the "only" Manson Family member to grow up in a Quebecois-speaking household. So, what? William S Burroughs, another NAMBLA crony, was an undercover OSS asset. And a frequent John picking up rent boys on Hunter's point...Darlene Ferrin and her first husband hung around the same dive bars and strip clubs around North Beach. Herb Caen once called this new generation of junior wannabe [Beat] hipsters "hippies."
There's lots, lots, lots more, but for now, it's spread all over this website.
"Mother Marshall's home for wayward waifs..." WHAT THE FUCK???
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