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Post by raemen2 on May 27, 2018 15:45:33 GMT -6
Lol!! Absolutely!
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Post by Admin Horan on May 28, 2018 17:56:56 GMT -6
Any thoughts or questions on the following cases:
Jack the Ripper Madeleine McCann JonBenet Ramsey The Lipstick Killer/Black Dahlia Avenger The Alphabet Killer The CIA/OSS 9/11
or any others? Don't worry. You don't have to carry a whole two-hour podcast. Any questions or thoughts...
Anyone else? PM me or email me tom.horan.lu@gmail.com
:-)
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Post by raemen2 on May 29, 2018 5:33:54 GMT -6
I would be interested in your thoughts re: Steve Hodel's claim that his father could be Zodiac?
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Post by raemen2 on May 29, 2018 5:42:25 GMT -6
I would be interested in your thoughts re: Steve Hodel's claim that his father could be Zodiac? I should have noted for other readers that Steve Hodel, retired LAPD is the author of The Black Dahlia Avenger who claims his father, Dr Hodel is responsible for the murder of Elizabeth Short -
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Post by Admin Horan on May 29, 2018 15:55:32 GMT -6
We could talk all day about Hodel. What's a good time/day for you?
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Post by karis on Aug 10, 2018 20:15:13 GMT -6
che.stparchive.com/Archive/CHE/CHE04132011p01.phpHere is a newspaper article dated April 13, 2011. This article is just a review of the Part 2: Keddie murders documentary by Josh Hancock. What I found most interesting is page 4, towards the end of the article, when the reporter reviews the "highlight or peak" of the documentary, the therapist's confession. This reporter was puzzled as to how 2 police agencies had missed 2 independent opportunities to follow up on a possible confession. He (the reporter) states , "when questioned about this claim, the Plumas Co sheriff's office allowed this reporter to view a later report, which appeared to be related to the first one. You can also read the November 4, 2011 article titled "Paradise Lost: The Keddie Killings, Part 11. In this article Sheriff Hagwood also says there was a confession but the therapist later changed his story.
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Post by raemen2 on Aug 11, 2018 10:53:10 GMT -6
Gamberg said that in an earlier session with the counselor, Smartt was so angry that they couldn’t achieve a worthwhile dialogue. Although the counselor couldn’t remember the name of the woman Smartt was angry with, Gamberg said it was Sue Sharp.
Really?? One would think that if you were privy to angry rants that led to a murder confession of a woman and her child those names would be etched in your memory!
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Post by raemen2 on Aug 11, 2018 13:45:25 GMT -6
I have no opinion if LE was/ is corrupt, maybe - maybe not. Marty being BFF with the Sheriff didn't keep him from winding up in jail on a DUI ... I mean if it was a good ole boys network would you not just drive the Sheriff's BFF home and give him a warning. If drug trafficking/CIA / Mafia/ LE were all cohorts would not the murder of 4 innocent people in the family home be really bad for business? I'd might give a nod to that theory if Marty or Bo had disappeared of the face of the earth or met a tragic but explainable death. Marty couldn't pay a car loan, Bo is flopping on a couch...hardly king pins. Why would any organization take the chance these two buffoons would start telling stories / making deals if the pressure was on?
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Post by kmik on Aug 11, 2018 17:16:08 GMT -6
From memory (which is never good) I remember reading some article or post that said the explanation for the "therapist changing his story" was that it he never changed his story and the confusion was because there were 2 therapists.
Does anyone know if the reporter (Joshua Seabold) was ever questioned by anyone, after writing the article, about the report that the PCSO allowed him to read? From the article he seemed as baffled as we are as to how 2 independent agencies would miss 2 opportunities to follow up on a possible confession. He was so baffled that he questioned the PCSO about it. I completely believe the DOJ questioned Marty after "whatever story" the therapist told at the time - we just have no way of knowing what Marty said.
By the time the Reno therapist was tracked down in 2008, Marty Smartt was dead and I believe Dr. Cheeseman (neighbor of the Reno therapist) was also. So we were never allowed to hear their accounts.
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Post by karis on Aug 12, 2018 8:01:25 GMT -6
"I have no opinion if LE was/ is corrupt, maybe - maybe not. Marty being BFF with the Sheriff didn't keep him from winding up in jail on a DUI ... I mean if it was a good ole boys network would you not just drive the Sheriff's BFF home and give him a warning. If drug trafficking/CIA / Mafia/ LE were all cohorts would not the murder of 4 innocent people in the family home be really bad for business? I'd might give a nod to that theory if Marty or Bo had disappeared of the face of the earth or met a tragic but explainable death. Marty couldn't pay a car loan, Bo is flopping on a couch...hardly king pins. Why would any organization take the chance these two buffoons would start telling stories / making deals if the pressure was on?"
Totally agree!! This is just common sense 101 in my opinion.
As to who recanted the story, it doesn't matter to me. A LITTLE GIRL WAS MISSING!! What kind of a person would not IMMEDIATELY contact the police and give them this information? Why tell another therapist? Why not call the RENO police department immediately? Yet he waited years and gave this information to Josh Hancock? Tina was missing for 3 years. He stated later he decided to "go in a different direction. I had always been fascinated with police work". Really? And when "you" were hired (for this police work) you didn't check on the status of the murder investigation?
Let me see if I can get this straight. Within a week or two of this murder 2 people (Justin and the therapist) knew who the killer was and yet told NOONE?
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Post by kmik on Aug 18, 2018 12:18:04 GMT -6
Keep in mind Greg Hagwood was sheriff at this time.
For anyone with questions about the therapist confession, the best place to start would be the April 13, 2011 news article written by Joshua Sebold (a local reporter) as a review of the Keddie Murders Part 2 documentary (which had just been released a few month prior). He pretty much went frame by frame until the climax- the therapist confession. This is where the reported stared to do his own homework by going to the PCSO to question why the confession wasn't followed up on - and in return was allowed to look at a report that stated the therapist changed his story with the report going on to say that Marilyn is the one who called the therapist to say Marty could have been involved.
SacBee published an article 7 months later that said the same thing, " the therapist changed his story".
May 4, 2018 Mike Gamberg stated in the Plumas News article that, "the agents did meet with the counselor, but they dismissed his allegations as “hearsay.” Hey Mike could you give us that ENTIRE report??
If the therapist confession is documented and locked away in Reno the police should have no trouble getting their hands on it. The 2018 article stated that, "Smartt could have been under the false assumption that what he told his counselor would remain confidential. But the law states otherwise when it comes to a confession of murder." So getting access to what he said should not be a problem (if he really said it). I think the problem is that by the time Josh Hancock tracked down the therapist in 2010 (29 years AFTER the murders) he had no idea that what he was saying was going to be so important. PLEASE take the time to watch the 4 outtakes of the therapist. He tells that he ONLY knew of Keddie by reading about the murders. So he knew about these murders from the newspaper which has long made me wonder if the therapist is the one who brought up the whole thing - "waltzing" around the subject with Marty because Marty lived there or because Marilyn had called the therapist with her claim of Marty being involved.
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Post by kmik on Sept 2, 2018 15:40:26 GMT -6
This is a 2016 post from Dmac on MeanKitty's forum attempting to explain the therapist confession (anything in red is written by me);
It seems the therapists had as many stories as Justin. Did the therapist really expect the police to believe that Marty confessed to murder when the therapist didn't even keep any of the notes of the meeting? Maybe he didn't keep any notes because it didn't happen like he now says it happened. Dr. Cheeseman said Marty called from Klamath Falls and made the confession. How would Dr. Cheeseman have known that Marty was in Klamath Falls unless this was another of the therapist versions?
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Post by kmik on Oct 8, 2018 21:17:59 GMT -6
It's hard to believe the Reno therapist ever recorded any of this "confession" in Marty's file.
People Magazine 2016:
2018 (3rd) Plumas News Article on Keddie Murders:
The article reported many statements made by the therapist but they all seem to be from the documentary - nothing new. So if Gamberg interviewed the therapist in 2016 then certainly he tried to obtain Marty's file to see exactly what Marty's confession said word for word. If the DOJ dismissed it as "hearsay" then it would appear that the therapist never documented any of this "confession". I really don't think the therapist intentionally lied to Josh in the documentary (after all he was reciting events that had happened 28 years earlier), but I do believe there is a part of this story that we will never hear. The therapist will remain anonymous just like the mutual friend of Kathy/Kathy's mom that gave the boys a ride.
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Post by amada on Nov 7, 2018 11:49:21 GMT -6
I personally think it is ridiculous that anyone gets to remain anonymous when there are four people dead. Especially a therapist that concluded Martin did not have PTSD because he never saw any fighting. Not saying that Martin is guilty because he lied about this, but it does seem that all of the Smartt's have serious problems with lying. To this day the living Smartt's are still lying and/or at least omitting the truth. It does make it seem like there is something they are guilty of.
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Post by kmik on Nov 7, 2018 17:29:09 GMT -6
I think the most important thing about the "therapist confession" is that Crim and Bradley have been accused (by 28) of falsifying the therapist report yet it is very obvious the therapist never even documented any of this confession in Marty's file. Did the therapist expect the DOJ to make an arrest based on hearsay?
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