nufto
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Post by nufto on Sept 18, 2020 17:56:15 GMT -6
See how he says john and Dana got thrown ‘overboard’...but not sue. Unless he meant the 2 boys were thrown off their respective seats.
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Post by mew1987 on Jan 1, 2022 19:16:37 GMT -6
A little bit of information on hypnosis
Although there is a widespread belief that hypnosis produces accurate memories, researchers found that hypnosis does not work well as a memory-recovery method. In addition, people who have been hypnotized tend to feel confident that their memories are accurate, contributing to the persistence of false memories.
This leads me to ask What exactly did Justin see and what was a false memory.
I really don’t want to try and poke holes in Justin Eason’s story/version of events as some things he described actually could’ve come witnessing the murders or the aftermath but other thing just don’t add up
he did claim it was like a dream and they were on a boat. (Obviously no boat was involved therefore the dream)
but did he actually wake up or did the dream come on due to noises going on in the next room. I know I’ve had dreams where if a song was playing sometimes that can be included in my dream also noises around me have been included such as conversations that are going on.
He also claimed a loud noise or bang woke him up. If this is true could it have been when Sue was shot? It could’ve also been what woke Tina but how come not Greg or Rick? I don’t understand that
i don’t get (and I’ve said this before) Justin said he tried to help Sue (I think one thing I read said that she was still alive I doubt that’s true as the killers would’ve sure she was dead before they left) and would have had to have stepped over Johnny and Dana while walking through blood soaked carpet as Sue did the same and had blood on the bottom of her feet and in between her toes also a blanket was placed over Sue which means he would’ve had to have pulled the blanket back tried to help her and placed the blanket back over her (I have read he was the one who placed it over her but that doesn’t make any sense as he would’ve treaded blood all the through the cabin to the girls room) also why if he tried to help Sue deny not Johnny and Dana? That doesn’t make sense either.
I also don’t understand why no blood was on his sleepwear (i assume he wearing something when they got him out through the window in the morning) or sheets
even if he went to the bathroom and cleaned himself up (yes there was blood over the bathroom cabinet but I believe this could’ve been Dana’s as he had injuries from being in a fight earlier that evening and someone was treating his battle scars) blood would’ve been treaded through the cabin to the bathroom
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 2, 2022 2:22:38 GMT -6
100% I would kind of love having someone take a clean look into the case without all the witness statements,"just the facts ma'am". I'm working on it but my person is super busy
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Post by hope on Jan 2, 2022 14:09:13 GMT -6
I know, Justin's statements add a whole other level of confusion to the case. A lot of the things he said don't make a lot of sense. But some do (such as Sue running to Johnny's aide & the blood on her feet).
In one of the news articles Doug Thomas said tv was important within the Sharp house and LE were able to come up with a timeline of events from the boys based on what was on tv at the time. They watched Love Boat before bed and then went to sleep when Fantasy Island came on. Justin said he was sleeping but also said J&D came home at midnight. So, was the TV still on at that time and that's how Justin knew what time they came home because he could hear what was on the TV? I don't believe LE ever documented whether the TV was turned off or on when they arrived. If that was the case you would think Justin would have heard more & had more to tell LE about what was being said/going on in the living room. I've also wondered if he heard things that he incorporated into his "dream".
Those blood tissues, etc found in the garbage bin are definitely related to the case. No way that is just a coincidence. Are they still in existence!?! That should be one of the first things sent for DNA testing. Forget about a rusty hammer found in the pond that may or may not have been related to the murders (& likely to have zero evidence after being submerged in water for 30+ years anyway!) Lol. Dana also had all those rips & what looked like grass stains in his pants. So it can't be ruled out that there was some sort of altercation prior to j&d arriving home. And...I'm really stuck on this haha....but Kathy Beckley & Cruzita need to be thoroughly interviewed, their story stinks!
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lanao
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Post by lanao on Mar 26, 2022 6:01:58 GMT -6
Hi everyone, I have a question about Justin. He was taken out through the window with the other two boys. And once outside, according to him and Marilyn (in the documentary) he started telling an officer “Tina’s missing”…..is that a fact? Was he the first to alert police to the fact that Tina was missing? And if so how did he know she was missing? Was that ever in a report as to what time of that morning was he telling them this?
Also, I’ve heard various and read that a couple of people claimed to have driven Johnny and Dana home that night but police found these witnesses to be “unreliable” and then other people of interest were also said to have driven the boys home but it was jus here say?…..no one truly knows who drove the boys home that night - is that fair to say too?
I really wish there was a discussion podcast where a few of us could all talk together and bounce ideas around for interested listeners….far too many people out there still only know one theory to this case and that’s that Sue was the target and Marty and Bo are responsible but it just hasn’t been proven - I don’t agree with that theory really at all anymore….anything’s possible I guess but I just don’t think so….
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 29, 2022 0:39:12 GMT -6
From what I understand, because Sue was so tiny and unrecognizable, police initially thought she was Tina. Justin insisted, "that's not Tina in there that's Sue, Tina is missing/look down by the river." Unfortunately there are no real, straight answers from Justin. But it's assumed with good reason that he witnessed part of the murders, or came out to the living room after the fact. Josh Hancock the producer of the doc, stated, "It's an undisputed fact that Justin covered Sue with the blanket". I've also read that multiple people may have driven them home, and it's hard to say, for all I know they went back to Keddie more than once that night. Great post btw!
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Post by karis on Sept 29, 2023 7:19:42 GMT -6
This is part of an interview with Justin describing the pocket knife. He is talking about Sue getting cut. We know Justin said he tried to stop the bleeding of Sue. He describes a pocket knife like the one found in the Keddie bins. I don't see the date. Justin stayed with the Meeks' until 4-17-81. After the funeral he was taken into protective custody to Meadow Valley to stay with a family there.
Justin: With a knife.
Dash: With a knife? Suppose we zoom in real close on that, okay. Real close on that. And I’d like you, please, to describe just everything that you see about her getting cut with the knife.
Justin: ?
Dash: Mm, mm
Justin: It’s a pocket knife.
Dash: Mm, mm. Do you see the pocket knife there?
Justin: Yeah.
Dash: Now, let’s zoom in real tight, get a real close up shot and take a good long look at the pocket knife, and describe anything about it that you see.
Justin: It has about three____________
Dash: Mm, mm.
Dr. Dash/J. Smartt
Page Ten
Justin: It’s brown ……………..and it has some other gadgets on it.
Dash: Some other gadgets on it, mm, mm. What other gadgets do you see on that pocket knife?
Justin: A can opener.
Dash: Mm, mm.
Justin: And a screw
Dash: Mm, mm.
Justin: And scissors.
Dash: And scissors, okay.
Justin: A spoon and a fork.
Dash: Mm, mm.
Justin: And that’s all
Dash: And does the knife have any kind of writing on it?
Justin: No.
Dash: Any kind of little symbol?
Justin: No.
Dash: Or sign on it?
Justin: No.
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Post by karis on Sept 29, 2023 7:29:00 GMT -6
Justin claims he tried to help stop the bleeding on Sue. He describes a cut on her chest. There is no way he saw a cut on her chest unless he saw it before her hands were taped and tied. Her tied arms are over her night gown.
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Post by karis on Sept 29, 2023 7:33:58 GMT -6
Dana's outline shows him very close to the wall. On 4-15-81 he described the bottom of Dana's boots, called them waffled soles. How could he see that? Did he put the tape around the boots in an attempt to tie him up?
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Post by heatherspec on Sept 29, 2023 17:52:03 GMT -6
I think Justin was describing the 2nd suspects clothing when he referred to green and brown army boots with soles similar to waffle stompers? Dana's autopsy has him in brown hiking boots with waffle pattern. Those boots were very popular so it's possible they had similar footwear on?? Im curious who else owned that type of boot in Keddie or Quincy.
I definitely think Justin either watched Sue get stabbed, or walked around the crime scene and had a closer look at the bodies. OR he was describing someone who doesn't exist and described clothing he was familiar with.
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Post by kmik on Sept 30, 2023 7:19:03 GMT -6
I don't believe for a minute he was actually describing the killer(s), I think he was saying whatever came to his mind. Justin went home and told things to Marilyn who in turn told LE - and that's why LE so desperately depended on him to tell them if he knew anything that happened in that cabin (as a witness - not a suspect!!!)
I trust the work done in the past by LE on this case - people may have lied - but LE did not intentionally screw this case or screw with Justin. Many who helped DT with Justin believed he knew something and these were professionals - not an arm chair detective like myself just reading over old interview snippets - they were actually there.
According to Gambergs case file he started working as SI in 2013 and according to what he wrote (if these are actually his files) he began working on the Marty theory (which he should have done because that was the popular theory - thank you Josh Hancock). So he set about reinterviewing some of the "key" people and sending off DNA. Justin wasn't of interest to him or he would have obtained Justin's DNA and sent it along with Marty and Dee's but after getting no hit on Marty he then sent in Justin's and got a hit. WHY has dmac summarized the entries surrounding Justin and the DNA??? Dmac doesn’t have his picture displayed on his FB page along with others he thinks involved
Karis and I did a lot of research on Mike Gamberg in 2016 after dmac revealed the hammer and ID show - and it was a real eye opener. I feel the exact same today as I did back then about Mike. 2016 was a "all for Show year" and the year he took this Marty theory too far. I 100% believe he wanted Justin to tell him that Marty did this but Justin did not or we would not be here discussing this unsolved case today.
Justin was 12 years old at the time of the murders and I can't help but think he was probably like Tina - street smart. I believe he was exactly what his own mother said he was and I believe what she told the FBI when she said that he was troubled and his troubles didn't start with the murders. That was from his own mother. I remember when Glenna Meeks wrote in and old post that Marilyn told her Justin was "pure evil" and Glenna just couldn't understand how a mom could say that about her own child - but she did. I really think Justin enjoys the attention he gets from all of this - here's what he said in a deleted scene from the documentary:
To say I think Justin knows more isn't saying he's a killer it's just saying I think he knows more
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Post by daniel2001 on Oct 11, 2023 15:42:53 GMT -6
Justin claims he tried to help stop the bleeding on Sue. He describes a cut on her chest. There is no way he saw a cut on her chest unless he saw it before her hands were taped and tied. Her tied arms are over her night gown. View AttachmentI have actually never seen a color photo of the bodies at the scene, where did you get this??
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Post by karis on Oct 11, 2023 16:07:08 GMT -6
Hey, Daniel, glad to have you here. Its off the internet. You can find many on the there, maybe not all of them. I have tried to put as many as I can on here along with files. But as of now I have used all the attachments for the forum. I am trying to figure out a way to continue on without using "attachments".
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Post by daniel2001 on Oct 11, 2023 16:12:54 GMT -6
Ah, alright. Yeah I have actually never seen that one before. I got Horan to let me in after talking to him briefly on facebook. I've been developing a screenplay based around the murders that explores a little bit of everything y'know, like most likely theories. I trust this place a lot more than whatever the hell Keddie28 has become. You know any good sources where lots of photos tend to be for Keddie? Other than here, ofc. I've been digging around for photos (crime scene, etc) but not too much luck other than perhaps the same 2 or 3 photos.
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Post by kmik on Oct 11, 2023 20:01:48 GMT -6
You can check over at KeddieTruth forum.
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