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Post by karis on Aug 27, 2020 7:51:52 GMT -6
Sorry to quote anything dwac says on his forum but i am. He is not a stupid man but his sole focus on his theory, and let's give credit where credit is due, Josh H. theory, has really clouded his thought process.
I decided to do what getem did, look into this Charles E W. That name originally meant nothing to me so i didn't give it a thought.
Charles E Wilkins was born April 8, 1937 in Texas. He had lived in Orland and Redding and Red Bluff, california. Orland is where he was living in 1980. Orland (Glenn Co) borders Butte co. His father died in Butte co in 1988. He is listed as a electrician. His wife was a nurse. By 1983 they are living in Quincy. He was a convicted sex offender. I do not know when he would have served time, only that he was listed in a 1980 phone book in orland. That is all i could find.
So, no Doug was not so stupid. This was not a stretch to look at him. This doesn't mean Wilkins killed anyone, but i can see why he was looked at.
Did Mike ever look at this man? Whoever assisted, helped or carried off Tina had to have some knowledge of camp 18 in Butte co.
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Post by karis on Aug 28, 2020 12:28:23 GMT -6
Here is another article. You should be able to click on it to enlarge it. The date on this is Jan 5, 1967 the Sacramento Bee.
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Post by karis on Aug 29, 2020 9:01:30 GMT -6
Here is another lie he has posted without checking his facts. Unless she died VERY recently she is alive and well. One of his friends on his facebook page should know this. She constantly likes his post. She is a great grandmother to Donna's granddaughter.
Dmac, Dmac, really dude, check your facts. I will also keep looking to see IF she recently died. Information like that is right there on facebook. Who is giving you this information? Mike, Victoria, are you really letting him post this sh$t? You know better.
I will definitely check on this to make sure.
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Post by kmik on Sept 12, 2020 8:43:35 GMT -6
So glad Dmac admitted to what he did to Josh Hancock, of how he lured him into sending him all of his Keddie info (no way Josh sent him everything) so he could seize his website (which he did).
It's crucial that people understand Josh Hancock was cut from his forum in 2013/14 (?). He sent Dmac all of this info (since Dmac had so much more time than Josh to scan and post) BUT during this time Josh made the mistake of posting a picture on his FB page of Sue's glasses on her nightstand and all hell broke loose. They were furious and crying of the time they had wasted wondering if Sue was on the couch or in bed when the attacks occurred, YET here was a pic indicating she was probably in bed since her glasses lay on the nightstand. (*I would like to add that I think Sue was in bed when the attacks in the living room began)
IF the members on Josh's forum would have taken the time to READ for themselves the Stoy Photographic Report (WHICH JOSH HAD POSTED ON HIS FORM YEARS BEFORE THEY SAW THIS PIC) then they wouldn't have needed Josh's picture to tell them where Sue was because they would have already read from this report that her glasses were on her nightstand (I guess they needed a visual cause they certainly weren't reading and studying the info he was giving to them).
It must have been a double whammy for Dmac who then realized this photo was not in "all" of that info Josh sent him. So Josh became the thief who stole PCSO files and Dmac became the recipient - he can sugar coat it all he wants but that's fact.
Josh gave them snippets of info?? Wow tell me people who was Marty's therapist? Who gave the boys a ride to Keddie? Who was Jim the ex??? What is in Sheila's FULL interviewS? OR anyone else's for that matter?
Karis and I don't mind digging on anything whether it has anything to do with the murders or not. It took us years to dig up who Marty's therapist was and it may take many more years to figure out the rest but we will continue to dig so that we - unlike previous members - aren't spoon fed half truths covered in one person's twisted speculation.
Don't sit around waiting on someone to reveal the BIG SECRET - or you'll probably end up like the kid in the movie " Christmas Story" when he finally uncovers the Ovaltine code -
***** No need for an explaination on Dee's car being in Keddie on Sunday since the POLICE REPORT says Dee's car was there on Sunday. And don't try to tell us Crim was flying high in a chopper taking photos of Dee, Wade and Marty leaving with Tina and he didn't even destroy the photos?? WOW. And we will never know what day the photos were even taken - not developed.
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Post by kmik on Sept 26, 2020 14:29:49 GMT -6
I don't have a hard time believing that of the recorded interviews some are very clear and some are almost gone. To me it would seem to indicate that the most important interviews had been listened to many times and some of the unimportant not so much.
As to who the gun belonged to anyone's guess is as good as mine but just because Ricky told Crim there were no guns in the house means little to me because Ricky also said he slept through the murders. By the way Sheila (who dmac is quick to point out was the liar of all liars) also said Johnny had no gun. But unless Jackie or Dmac lied:
So Sue probably would have told her sister this when she picked up Sheila from Jackie's in February after she had the baby.
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Post by getem on Sept 26, 2020 18:07:53 GMT -6
You mean instead of OBVIOUSLY using inferior equipment or settings to aid in this cover-up, certain tapes might have been listened to more over the years? I think you're spot on. And it's amazing somehow he has better editing software than they had 40 years ago? Hope his arm isn't sore from those backpats. And about the liars, I love how :anyperson: is complete lying &%$(^# except for THIS (which happens to fit my bonkers theory). I'm just glad his drug and alcohol addled brain is wandering around in the woods "working" this probably unsolved case instead of actual investigations or there coould be a lot of innocent people screwed. My man has a very loose relationship with reality.
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Post by getem on Sept 30, 2020 19:47:57 GMT -6
I see all the new info is fitting very nicely into his ::ahem:: theory!
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Post by kmik on Sept 30, 2020 20:43:40 GMT -6
I love it Getem! Don't ya just wonder if he ever scratches his head and thinks, "Wow if the Meeks lied about all these little things then it's highly possible they lied about Marty Smart" - Nah
The only connection I see between Marty and these murders is the Meeks mouth. Look at how many times their names (Glenna, Richard) are the source for the Marty "info".
Richard thought Dana was spending the night with him yet Steve Durham met up with him at the arcade, around 10:15PM Saturday night, and told him that he had just given Johnny and Dana a ride to Ganser Park and back to the Exxon? Didn't he know by the time he left the arcade at 2:00am on Sunday morning that he wasn't having any spend the night company? It's crystal clear why the police weren't buying what they were telling - they couldn't even get their own lies straight!
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Post by getem on Oct 4, 2020 19:29:31 GMT -6
I wish this was a normal person and I would just ask him directly, but does he have another document saying these were "friends" lists? And not just people they came into contact with recently? I hate getting piecemealed one-sided info all the time.
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Post by kmik on Oct 4, 2020 21:22:15 GMT -6
I agree Getem but it does appear to be people that were supposedly friends of the victims. Unbelievable that Glenna Meeks name is absent from Sue's list but Marty and BO made all 3. If it is a "friend list", and I feel like it is, then it is beyond obvious that the Meeks were absolutely influencing everyone to name Marty and Bo right down to Sheila.
I remember in an old post that Marilyn told Glenna that she (Glenna) was the one who first pointed the finger at Marty and she said on Dmac's forum in 2017 that she thought she was influenced by the people she was around at the time - and I think there's gonna end up being a lot of truth to that. I can go down the list and connect all these people saying it was Marty back to the Meeks or Marilyn. No need to worry about a police cover-up - heck the police were trying to sort out the cover up from with in. Oh my what a cluster
We always asked for Dmac to show us the cover-up and I think he just did - with the Meeks names all over it accusing Marty and bo
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Post by kmik on Oct 5, 2020 11:02:13 GMT -6
I want to make it clear that I don't know who the killer(s) are but its been clear for years that the Meeks were trying to convince everyone that Marty was involved. The Meeks were trying to cover something. My question is why were they doing this? To keep the suspicion off of Richard (the father of Sheila's baby) or Wade (because he was living with a 30 year old woman) or Phillip (because he was their cousin)? What was their reason for doing this??
I can't quit shaking my head in disbelief that Sheila would write down a list of Johnny, Sue, and Tina's friends and include Marty and Bo! On all 3 lists!!! That just blows my mind.
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Post by hope on Oct 5, 2020 15:49:08 GMT -6
Hello all! First time posting but I've been a long time lurker to all the keddie forums. Kmik, I agree with you completely. I also do not know who committed this crime, but have always felt the Meeks were the ones pushing the Marty & Bo narrative. I too felt mama was trying to deflect attention to Marty & Bo. It seemed to me that she put that thought into Marilyn's head to deflect from whatever it is she was trying to hide (I have considered each thing you mentioned). Im sure Marilyn probably did mention she was scared to stay in Keddie, who wouldn't be? But mama probably instigated any suspicions Marilyn had.
Mama did quite a few things that never sat right with me. Starting with the morning of the murders, I always found it so strange that after finding out what happened she didn't stop to check on the kids of her "best friend" and lend them some much needed support. By her own admission she was in Keddie picking up Marilyn but couldnt take a minute to see Sheila, Rick and Greg? Then to supposedly let Marty stay at her home while disliking & fearing him? You'd think she would be more concerned with any help she could provide the Sharp kids. Also, the way she never seemed to share any real, sincere memories, just the same "gotta get back to keddie" story over and over again. The way she would insist all her kids were home that night and the comment she made about how Richard (& Walter?) were supposed to stay over 28 that night but changed their mind. Didnt she say another time that Richard told her to say no because Dana was "acting strange" and he didnt want to be around him? And as you mentioned, she never spoke up to say Phillip was her nephew when his name came up on the old forums. All very strange behavior imo.
And, Sheila adding Marty & Bo to these lists is definitely mind blowing! It does seem to point more towards the influence people had over her. As a side note, I remember years ago watching a youtube video from a paranormal channel discussing keddie, they interviewed Sheila over the phone and she seemed to know very little about Marty other than he was a neighbor & disliked Johnny (just the stuff Marilyn & Mama had said on the old forum). I believe that video has since been removed because it was hit with a copyright strike. Sheila has definitely always been very evasive with her answers to questions, she always seems to not remember much which is also strange imo.
Also, just wanted to say thank you all for this forum. It is great to have a place where people can openly discuss their thoughts. You guys have helped me a lot with sorting out info from the timeline, connecting lesser known players, etc. Keep up the good work, I love reading your posts and hearing your guys thoughts!
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Post by kmik on Oct 5, 2020 17:52:35 GMT -6
Thank you so much for that post. I could not remember if it was in her book (which Karis has) or the paranormal video but I tried so hard to find that video of her phone interview while she was at a Barry Manilow concert (and you think the video has been taken off?) - thanks for letting me know we're not crazy and that Sheila did say she didn't know Marty (except for the breaking the hand comment - which came straight from Marilyn).
Please keep posting any thoughts you have as we all get along very well on this forum and everyone always brings something forgotten or never thought of in each post.
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Post by hope on Oct 5, 2020 18:41:06 GMT -6
Yes, she was at a Barry Manilow concert!!! I forget the name of that channel but can find it & will take a look to see that video is available or not. The host had a "remote viewer" on for that specific episode. I remember the host later said that video was taken down because Dmac hit her with a copyright strike over some photos she used in it. She claimed they were photos she had taken (or maybe photos that originally belonged to Josh), however, I don't think she ever got that video back up. I will let you know what I find out after checking YouTube. And thank you so much I will definitely stick around and start contributing more. I should have added to the post above, I dont necessarily think mama was involved (maybe, who knows?) But get the feeling she was maybe concerned someone close to her was involved and Marty was her way of swaying suspicion away from whatever that concern of hers was...jmo of course
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Post by hope on Oct 5, 2020 19:08:27 GMT -6
The video is still up, Sheila's interview begins around 13:20.
A few interesting comments on there
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