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Post by Admin Horan on May 10, 2015 17:41:18 GMT -6
Once the "upside down" letters are rotated to their original orientation, the handprinting is a perfect match:
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Post by created on Jun 27, 2015 8:20:43 GMT -6
Did u ever get an answer from Mike Wakshull? The expert who verified that Earl Van Best Jrs preacher was the Zodiac Killer? For people who don't know what I'm talking about: www.amazon.com/handwriting-not-from-suspect/forum/Fx2DXERUL0Y8EP6/Tx13XCFY286I9NA/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_tp_cq?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00KD5S298Has any other handwriting expert stated an opinion? FWIW, I think it's pretty convincing. As I understand you, you don't think this person also wrote the message on Hartnell's car door. Is that right? Why not? Thanks! You certainly have the best researched theory on Zodiac I've ever seen. I think you're probably right, but either way, you've done more real research than anyone else on the Ol' Interweb.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 29, 2015 6:58:06 GMT -6
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Thanks for joining! Nope. Never did get an answer from Wakshull. Or the other bona fide, for-real, court-certified Questioned Documents "Examiner" who gallantly and condescendingly offered to show me where I had gone "wrong."
Snook MIGHT have written the message on Hartnell's car door. But that would have required him to have been in some kind of cahoots with the assailant. Is that POSSIBLE? Maybe. Napa police's prime suspect in the case turned out to be Park Ranger Dennis Land, according to those new files super duper Zodiac investigator Morf13 got from the FBI in 2012, after I had sent the FBI a copy of my preliminary report. As of 2011, some investigators suspected Land's brother Ray, the deputy sheriff who "found" the car and the message, of writing the message. He was also considered a suspect in the murder itself. Deputy Dave Collins has consistently lied to interviewers about what happened that night, in ways that shield the Land brothers from public suspicion. And yes, Snook had known Dennis since at least the time when Dennis was a teenager buying hunting and fishing tackle from Snook's store. Land got his AS degree in criminal justice at Napa Valley Junior College, where Snook taught classes in criminal justice—and forensic science. It seems the only alibi Land had for the murder of Shepard was the October 13 Zodiac letter taking credit for the Stine murder, for which Dennis had an alibi. Whew! That was lucky!
I admit that it's POSSIBLE the Zodiac hoax was part of some kind of plan to frame Ott and his accomplices for some murders they did not commit. Or at least cast enough suspicion their way. Like Graysmith, Snook has a bio that's more interesting than the one presented to the public. As soon as I get more solid proof of such things, including a startling connection between Snook and Graysmith, I'll let you know.
Thanks for your question!
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Post by Avona99 on Feb 22, 2017 18:10:28 GMT -6
Wow. Either that's the same person who wrote some of the zodiac letters or...handwriting analysis is bullshit. Either way, your theory is still very strong. You're starting to convince me!
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 23, 2017 7:43:31 GMT -6
Avona: Thanks!
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Post by Robert Dobbson on May 7, 2017 18:36:19 GMT -6
Dr. Horan said: "Land got his AS degree in criminal justice at Napa Valley Junior College, where Snook taught classes in criminal justice—and forensic science..."
Very interesting. I've sometimes wondered if the author of the original Zodiac letters could have been a forensic science professional, partly motivated by a desire to mock the emerging "criminal profilers" by concocting an imaginary serial murderer who could never be identified through profiling - because he/she didn't really exist. Those letters certainly play up verifiable, testable physical evidence.
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Post by EKH on May 11, 2017 10:48:15 GMT -6
Hmmmmm. That's interesting. Snook might have been using the murders in some way to test his theories, creating study cases for students, or pointing out errors in department's work ?
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Post by Admin Horan on May 11, 2017 20:28:25 GMT -6
EKH: Maybe. But he also may have been bitter about not making it as an honest journalist, and may have wanted to "prove" how fake the "news" was in the Chronicle.
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Post by ekh on Mar 13, 2018 23:29:36 GMT -6
Do we know if this handprinting is Snook's or Land's ? Originally you thought it was Land's (Ray??) handprinting on the police report, are they similar or was it the signature the only obstacle in identifying the person of origin ? Are there more samples of Snook's handprinting floating around ? After looking at the way the writer wrote a " 7 " I bet it was the same person who wrote that police report you cite as Snook's. This might confirm that different a person wrote the graffiti compared to the police report.
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Post by ekh on Mar 14, 2018 0:19:37 GMT -6
Though it's relatively weak compared to your other examples, I think an upside " L " would be a possible explanation for the " 7 " looking slightly different in the letters.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 14, 2018 16:38:03 GMT -6
Noooooooooooo, I think you're probably right about the sevens...
Waaayyyy back when, the copy of the handwritten page I was looking at had the signature redacted. After I publicly declared that Ray Land was apparently "Suspect N," Voigt or somebody spit out a copy of the document with Snook's signature on it. And he turned out to be a much, much better fit for Suspect N.
Now, if only Voigt could prove me "wrong" about the letters being a HOAX, then I can say I've identified the Zodiac Killer. Sigh.
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Post by ekh on May 12, 2018 0:08:35 GMT -6
Wasn't sure where to post this, but I thought this article I happen to come across going through newspaper archives was interesting. Though they don't mention Snook's name, it may be about the classes he taught to aspiring forensic detectives.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 12, 2018 9:21:32 GMT -6
Out. Standing.
That's Snook's course, all right. He was one of THE top narcotics experts in CA.
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Post by ekh on May 25, 2018 23:44:48 GMT -6
Can't believe this was under my nose the whole time. Seems the "Zodiac" and Snook share yet another similarity in their writing.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 26, 2018 15:43:29 GMT -6
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice! Wait. That seems flippant and inadequate. How about, Hot Crackers! Holy Shit!
I should update the handprinting comparison, but I'm going to wait for Voigt or someone to stick their dicks in the keyhole, first. Then I'll slam the door.
FWIW, the FBI are looking for a few good men. Well, they're looking for a lot of bad men. But they're recruiting a few good men. (If you're a woman, don't let that stop you, Honey.)
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