Post by karis on Oct 2, 2023 1:40:22 GMT -6
This is not the total interview but I will post what is available. The interview lasted 50 minutes.
Mike: Begins by saying the case was muffed, but it's solvable with simple help.
Justin: 'I don't even know what we can do. All I can suggest is maybe that one guy.' He goes on to say that he doesn't
think he has time in his schedule to 'run down and see him' because he's so busy trying to get
his business off the ground the right way, '...
'What's going to happen to my brain, emotionally and psychologically?' 'My mind has put this to
rest so many years ago'
Mike: Does a 'truth can set you free' pitch. He talks of rumors that kids were involved, but
put that to rest, because 'it's not a crime'
Justin: 'That's not even a fear of mine, to be honest. I don't have fear that something may come
out that I were directly or indirectly involved in some sort of heinous activity'. Then he switches
back to the hypnotist (Leidecker): 'when that guy put me under, he was channeling Marty
through me, and it was the most fucking craziest thing I've experienced in my life' and he was
afraid of it happening again. 'A priest could say I was possessed by Marty's demon!' He's
worried that 'if you put me under, all of a sudden Marty's coming out of me again'
Mike had just spoken with Marty's kid who was to supply DNA. The case was screwed up from
the beginning.
Justin: Says it was just a regular night, they all sat around watching TV, 'and ate popcorn,
whatever'. No visitors, no memory of Johnny & Dana coming home.
Mike: said he believes Justin got up and saw what happened. That had to be true, even
from what he said during the last hypno-session. Gberg believes Justin came out and witnessed
it. Even Marty said in a statement that Justin had seen what happened. Gamberg says Justin
can bring this to a close because he saw what happened.
Justin: Asks 'if I was a witness, might there be some proof that I was actually in the murder
scene: smaller footprints, blood on his sh...socks, bare feet,' etc.
Mike: Informs Justin of the DNA hit on the tape. . And, as for the footprints, Gamberg
believes there was a coverup in the case, Justin's shoes for instance, were taken into evidence
and then disappeared. Gamberg isn't saying Justin didn't do anything wrong, is interruptied by
Justin.
Justin: 'If there's physical evidence putting me in the crime scene then who's to say what I did
or didn't do. This is pretty personally devastating, Mike, I'll be honest.'
Justin: Said he doesn't see how it's any closure whatsoever, and, if anything, it's more of 'a
death sentence for me than'. He iterates how worried he is that going over what he remembers
would further scar him emotionally/mentally.
Justin then focuses on his DNA again, saying "I wasn't expecting to hear my DNA was found,
but I can see how it was because I was running around the house, ya know?' 'Now you're
saying that my DNA was on something used to bind a victim, that takes it to another level!' He
then draws an analogy of being involved in something 'heinous', an injury, when he was 2-3
years old and recalling it well, but can't remember Keddie at all, and we're 'repressed memories'
to come out, people would say he knew it along and had been lying.
Justin: Doesn't remember, doesn't know if they were real, doesn't know if he was in a trance
and just searching for answers, but the only that the only hypno guy he trusted was 'the Santa
Claus guy's (Leidecker), and even the results were 'pretty darn scary'. Justin said 'Is it worth it to
me to open up this can of worms? What do I get out of it besides helping the public?'. He then
really flares up with, 'I'm ready to break down, just over THIS!"
Mike: Talks about many struggles both Justin and he had survived, and how dealing with
them as been both painful and helpful - rather than just trying to ignore what happened.
Justin: Again said how draining it is for him to talk about Keddie, how he 'expected there was
an outside chance there would be some sort of my evidence on-site' but it was something he
has the tendency to 'push back or deny'.
Mike: Reminds Justin it was he who had called him wanting to talk, and why doesn't
he want to now?
Justin said he'd called more about the article, and wanted to mention he'd read
the article and that he cared 'and all that stuff'.
Mike: Brought up the possibility that Marilyn was involved, and Justin's silence was meant
to protect her, 'which is a hard possibility, and they all had the same lies'. That Marilyn even
said many of the things in the alibi were lies. 'Is any of this making sense?'
Justin: 'M-hmm'. Again spells out he's worried about what kind of mental health impact his
helping Gamberg might have on himself, and people saying 'well why wasn't this solved back
then?'
Mike: Begins by saying the case was muffed, but it's solvable with simple help.
Justin: 'I don't even know what we can do. All I can suggest is maybe that one guy.' He goes on to say that he doesn't
think he has time in his schedule to 'run down and see him' because he's so busy trying to get
his business off the ground the right way, '...
'What's going to happen to my brain, emotionally and psychologically?' 'My mind has put this to
rest so many years ago'
Mike: Does a 'truth can set you free' pitch. He talks of rumors that kids were involved, but
put that to rest, because 'it's not a crime'
Justin: 'That's not even a fear of mine, to be honest. I don't have fear that something may come
out that I were directly or indirectly involved in some sort of heinous activity'. Then he switches
back to the hypnotist (Leidecker): 'when that guy put me under, he was channeling Marty
through me, and it was the most fucking craziest thing I've experienced in my life' and he was
afraid of it happening again. 'A priest could say I was possessed by Marty's demon!' He's
worried that 'if you put me under, all of a sudden Marty's coming out of me again'
Mike had just spoken with Marty's kid who was to supply DNA. The case was screwed up from
the beginning.
Justin: Says it was just a regular night, they all sat around watching TV, 'and ate popcorn,
whatever'. No visitors, no memory of Johnny & Dana coming home.
Mike: said he believes Justin got up and saw what happened. That had to be true, even
from what he said during the last hypno-session. Gberg believes Justin came out and witnessed
it. Even Marty said in a statement that Justin had seen what happened. Gamberg says Justin
can bring this to a close because he saw what happened.
Justin: Asks 'if I was a witness, might there be some proof that I was actually in the murder
scene: smaller footprints, blood on his sh...socks, bare feet,' etc.
Mike: Informs Justin of the DNA hit on the tape. . And, as for the footprints, Gamberg
believes there was a coverup in the case, Justin's shoes for instance, were taken into evidence
and then disappeared. Gamberg isn't saying Justin didn't do anything wrong, is interruptied by
Justin.
Justin: 'If there's physical evidence putting me in the crime scene then who's to say what I did
or didn't do. This is pretty personally devastating, Mike, I'll be honest.'
Justin: Said he doesn't see how it's any closure whatsoever, and, if anything, it's more of 'a
death sentence for me than'. He iterates how worried he is that going over what he remembers
would further scar him emotionally/mentally.
Justin then focuses on his DNA again, saying "I wasn't expecting to hear my DNA was found,
but I can see how it was because I was running around the house, ya know?' 'Now you're
saying that my DNA was on something used to bind a victim, that takes it to another level!' He
then draws an analogy of being involved in something 'heinous', an injury, when he was 2-3
years old and recalling it well, but can't remember Keddie at all, and we're 'repressed memories'
to come out, people would say he knew it along and had been lying.
Justin: Doesn't remember, doesn't know if they were real, doesn't know if he was in a trance
and just searching for answers, but the only that the only hypno guy he trusted was 'the Santa
Claus guy's (Leidecker), and even the results were 'pretty darn scary'. Justin said 'Is it worth it to
me to open up this can of worms? What do I get out of it besides helping the public?'. He then
really flares up with, 'I'm ready to break down, just over THIS!"
Mike: Talks about many struggles both Justin and he had survived, and how dealing with
them as been both painful and helpful - rather than just trying to ignore what happened.
Justin: Again said how draining it is for him to talk about Keddie, how he 'expected there was
an outside chance there would be some sort of my evidence on-site' but it was something he
has the tendency to 'push back or deny'.
Mike: Reminds Justin it was he who had called him wanting to talk, and why doesn't
he want to now?
Justin said he'd called more about the article, and wanted to mention he'd read
the article and that he cared 'and all that stuff'.
Mike: Brought up the possibility that Marilyn was involved, and Justin's silence was meant
to protect her, 'which is a hard possibility, and they all had the same lies'. That Marilyn even
said many of the things in the alibi were lies. 'Is any of this making sense?'
Justin: 'M-hmm'. Again spells out he's worried about what kind of mental health impact his
helping Gamberg might have on himself, and people saying 'well why wasn't this solved back
then?'