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Post by anvilheadsix on Jan 27, 2022 20:46:45 GMT -6
Gamberg: "Sheila, the oldest daughter, she was a good kid."
Huh? Sorry, no disrespect, but pregnant at 13 isn't a"good kid " today, and certainly not in 1981.
They paint Keddie in a much better light than it really was.
They rule out the father and Tina's teacher in under 2 minutes. No mention of the guy who molested Tina the her before, but given the nature of the show I can see why they would do that.
The call regarding the skull being Tina's was not on the anniversary of the murders. The date is off by a few weeks, but they make a point to state that it was exactly on the 3 year anniversary 4 or 5 times.
I don't know who the British guy with the massively exaggerated accent was, but I am still laughing over his pronunciation of the word "impotent" (He said EMM-POE-TUNT)
dmas - yes I spelled it that way intentionally - says the purpose of his site was to start discussion of the case. That's almost as funny as EMM-POE-TUNT.
The main thing in noticed is just how much Gamberg resembles Avery Schreiber. That shit gave me goosebumps.
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Post by camfaults on Jan 27, 2022 21:54:25 GMT -6
Hi anvilheadsix! Welcome!
I agree. Gamberg is all about revisionist history. Kids being kids and happy BBQs, according to him. Perhaps Sheila was a good kid toward adults like Gamberg, and perhaps Tina was a sweet girl to her teacher, but something at home was making those two girls act out. The mother may have removed them from their father's sexual abuse, but she failed to get them psychological help and prevent their promiscuity. The mother also failed to get Johnny help for whatever anger issues he apparently had that resulted in numerous fights. Keddie and Quincy were full of kids running wild, partying, stealing, fighting and having sex. It makes me wonder what would have become of the Sharp family if they had moved to Oregon instead of Keddie.
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Post by anvilheadsix on Jan 28, 2022 19:57:52 GMT -6
Perhaps Sheila was a good kid toward adults like Gamberg, and perhaps Tina was a sweet girl to her teacher, but something at home was making those two girls act out. The mother may have removed them from their father's sexual abuse, but she failed to get them psychological help and prevent their promiscuity. I never really liked the "gossip" aspects of the case and tried to stick to the facts, but as I read your post, it made me realize that given the kind of behavior the kids exhibited, clearly there is more truth than I realized to the more salacious rumors about their mother. Clearly she was never June Cleaver, that was never in doubt, but I had attributed the girls' behavior to the incidents with their father. So..... This begs the question; if Sue was having an affair wlith Marty, but she could get paid for it, why give it to trash like Marty for free? |
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Post by camfaults on Jan 29, 2022 1:37:44 GMT -6
We don't know how much of a rumor that was. If Sue was friends with Marilyn, would Sue really have an affair with Marilyn's husband? And they all live nearby each other. Sue had dated several men, as the PCSO reports documented. If Sue were looking for a man, I would like to think that she would look for someone stable and able to support himself, and perhaps her and the kids. Marty was an unemployed cook with emotional problems. Plus, he supposedly didn't like Johnny and may have called Tina a whore. We don't know if Sue was aware of all that, if it is true. But if Marty showed he disliked any of her kids, I would think she would not have liked him. All speculation on my part of course.
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Post by kmik on Jan 29, 2022 2:36:29 GMT -6
It’s speculation for any of us but I have yet to see it reported that Marty was a ladies man - seems to me just the opposite.
I do believe that Sue would have dated whoever and let’s face it she was 36 (I’m 51 so that’s pretty young to me) with 5 kids and 3 of them out of control so I’m sure she was looking for an escape herself - and may possibly have seen men for money (but I’ve never seen that documented anywhere). I think a couple of the men that we know she dated were married
I don’t believe Sue and Marilyn were good friends at all or Shelia, Ricky and Greg would have known that. “Nina” seems to be the one they considered a friend of Sue’s - she even spoke at Sue’s funeral (I know she spoke at Tina’s memorial but I think she told on forum she spoke at Sue’s funeral too).
If Marty made that bleed/bread comment it must have been after the murders - I don’t believe he was interested in the Sharps. Judith Lynt seems to have been Marilyn’s refuge but after she moved over to Hy Walkes I bet she started giving Glenna an earful (while doing all that studying)
Karis always says she remembers years ago reading on the forum that Marilyn was having issues with her ex husband (not Marty) and Sue had taken her to talk to someone - about abuse or child support or something who knows) if true I can see Sue giving her a ride somewhere. Does anyone else remember that??
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Post by anvilheadsix on Feb 1, 2022 16:52:13 GMT -6
What is clear to me is that Sue loved her kids and if Marty hated Johnny as intensely as it's been implied, I doubt she would have been romantically involved with him. Emotions as a whole seem to run rather intensely with Marty, as his stepdaughter in Oregon described in the documentary. What is not clear to me is James Sharp leaving his children in foster care on the other side of the country after their mother & brother being murdered. I get that there was mid-divorce tension and whether they realize it or not, kids always pick a side in those situations, but to just straight up abandon them? If he was cleared by alibi early on, why was he being tailed 3 months later? He is too mysteriously absent from the investigation. Even after bouncing all of this around in my head for the past week, the Avery Schreiber thing is still in the forefront of my mind. I rewatched the Frank Davis portions of Josh's docs on YouTube and he is not lying. Maybe his timeframe is off, he was in the process of moving and that's always a pain in the ass, but he didn't just dream those events up. srv4.imgonline.com.ua/result_img/imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-Wkn2TQExhmqIqN0.jpg |
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Post by kmik on Feb 1, 2022 21:24:03 GMT -6
I agree despite what we think of some of the things the kids got into and how (without a father in their lives) they were definitely hard for Sue to handle, she obviously loved them and wanted them with her. I think the kids went to stay with Sue's sis but she had 6 of her own so maybe that's why they ended up somewhere else. James family said on 28 FB last year that he had tried to get the kids back but couldn't get help. I have never seen it documented that Marty was a ladies man - in fact it seems that he was not a ladies man at all. There were many single women in Keddie with fewer children if Marty was out looking for some fun.
Doug Albin stated that Marilyn's daughter Lori visited for about 3 months in the summer of 1980 (I'd always thought she was living with them and suddenly left because of Marty) He also said he thought she was living with Marilyn's aunt in Burney (that would be Aunt Joan). Lori was also hanging with Frank Davis (big doper in Keddie) according to what Doug's wife Jan had told him so what she told on the documentary about leaving Marilyn and Marty is very questionable. Was she living with Aunt Joan, then went to stay with Marty and Marilyn for the summer of 1980 then went on to her dad's or back to Aunt Joans?? Lori who was around 14-15, hanging out with Frank Davis, doesn't sound good to me.
I think LE called Frank to come in to talk to them (but I'll check report) - here's a doper going in for LE to ask him about these murders - and out came this story of Sue fighting with a guy on her front porch around 10:00pm on a Friday night and nobody else heard this? He left PCSO and LE called him again to confirm the color of the vehicle and he said yes he had just passed one on the way home and was now certain the man was driving a blazer. Oh my - I just find his story so questionable - for starters he had some great eyesight to have been able to see that the blazer had no dents in it at nighttime. But on a side note one of the Krois (Mary?) had a boyfriend who drove a white and green blazer who did not live in Keddie (I think he lived in Idaho) but was back and forth to visit his girlfriend.
Reading reports today, 40 years later, is mindboggling - I cannot imagine how LE felt in 1981 (I'm guessing overwhelmed)
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Post by snoho17 on Feb 2, 2022 22:22:29 GMT -6
Hi anvil! I sent you a private message, just wondering if you'd seen it:)
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