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Post by Omega on Aug 15, 2020 17:01:46 GMT -6
I saw this thread sitting out there by its lonely self, with no posts, and figured I post something.
I stumbled upon some walking tour videos on YouTube (I did not record these) and wanted to show how close in proximity the two Son of Sam Forest Hills murders (Christine Freund and Virginia Voskerichian) were to each other.
It has always been my belief that the Voskerichian murder, which was done at an earlier time of the evening and on a weeknight (a Tuesday) than the previous weekend shootings was to steer police in the serial killer direction and divert attention away from the real reason for the Freund murder.
As you will see in the video(s), the walking distance from the Freund shooting (January 30th, 1977) to the Voskerichian (March 8th, 1977) is about 100 yards and takes the walker in the video less than a minute to walk from one murder scene to another.
Video #1 is over 23 minutes long, mostly of unrelated Forest Hills footage (a beautiful area that I know well! Wished I had lived there at some point! Unfortunately, not to be!) but here are the key times on the video for our purposes:
At the 4:28 - 4:31 mark in Video #1 - the tree that is in front of the crosswalk may be the tree mentioned in "The Ultimate Evil" in this part of the Christine Freund ("Chris") murder scene: "Diel and Chris then left the Wine Gallery. After the "bumping" incident, Berkowitz followed them to the shooting site, saw them diagonally cross Continental Avenue and watched the murder from behind a tree on the opposite, northwest corner of Continental and Station Plaza."
At the 4:32 - 4:35 mark in Video #1- where the traffic lights are, this was the intersection that John Diel (Christine Freund's boyfriend) drove his Pontiac Firebird to and blocked traffic, right after Christine was shot, to get help.
At the 4:36 mark Video #1 - The camera pans around to an area that was unfortunately under construction when video was taken. This area was where Christine and John were parked when the shooting occurred. In Video #2, a better idea of the location, not blocked by construction, gives a clearer idea of the area at the 4:13-4:32 mark. Behind the red car driving by where a small staircase is located, this is where Christine and John were parked.
At the 5:15 mark in Video #1 - The building seen in the background with the blue construction awning right after the row of small bushes is 4 Dartmouth Street where Virginia Voskerichian was shot.
So, you can get a feel of how close these two Forest Hills Son of Sam murders were to each other.
VIDEO #1:
VIDEO #2:
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 16, 2020 6:01:32 GMT -6
Nice! I think Voskerichian was probably targeted. It seems they stalked one girl until she walked into the
"wrong" house, less than a block before she would have gotten to virginia's house. I think that's between the "camera" and Virginia's apartment building (with the blue awning) right? They waited until Virginia started walking into her house (verifying they had the right girl) and then she was shot. all the victims could be identified by the shooter(s) either according to their house (just as they arrived home) or according to a recognizable car they were sitting in at a particular location.
Both Voskerichian and Freund had immigrated to America with their parents from Eastern European countries. Christine had been back home to Austria before, and had even worked in a company there. In other words, it may have had as much to do with their parents as it did with the girls themselves.
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Post by Omega on Aug 16, 2020 7:49:24 GMT -6
It seems they stalked one girl until she walked into the "wrong" house, less than a block before she would have gotten to virginia's house. I think that's between the "camera" and Virginia's apartment building (with the blue awning) right? They waited until Virginia started walking into her house (verifying they had the right girl) and then she was shot.
From "The Ultimate Evil" in the "Knock on Coffins" chapter - "Virginia Voskerichian was late coming home from Columbia University in Manhattan. It was nearly seven-thirty when she climbed the subway stairs at the Continental Avenue stop in Forest Hills and began the short hike to her house at 69-11 Exeter Street. Walking south on Continental to Dartmouth, she turned right and began striding west on the same route her neighbor Amy Johnson had followed just fifteen minutes before."
Virginia's house was on Exeter Street, which is one block over from Dartmouth Street (blue awning building - address 4 Dartmouth). She was probably cutting up Dartmouth as a shortcut to get to Exeter.
The eerie thing about Video #1 is from the 2:00 - 5:15 mark, it is probably the exact walk/route that Virginia took from the subway station to Dartmouth Street. Even the camera pan to the construction part where the Freund murder occurred is chilling, when you think if someone was walking that exact route back in 1977, would have taken a glance over to the scene of where a brutal murder had recently happenned.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 16, 2020 8:02:03 GMT -6
But I think (I need to double check) that TUE is wrong on that point. In any case, Virginia had walked beyond the other girl's house before she was shot. And if she really was "late," then all the more reason for the shooter(s) to assume the first girl was the one they were after. Yes, it's possible Virginia was a "random" victim, but Rule Number One states, "There is no such thing as a 'random' murder."
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Post by james1983 on Aug 16, 2020 14:19:40 GMT -6
Professor. Do you happen to know who Voskerichian and Freunds parents were, or what they did in Eurpoe before they came to the states? The reason I ask because Marina Habe was killed in California and the family were supposedly suspects. Her father was an active anti Nazi during WW2, and is the reason he came to the states. It probably sounds far fetched to some, but the Nazi leanings of Berowitz and the crew are well known. Just a thought.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 16, 2020 16:38:42 GMT -6
Oh, we're heading back that direction about now. I will start with the Nugan Hand background and how it leads back to Lauria, Freund, possibly others, etc. I have the info on Voskerichian's parents and Freund's parents (and her job in Austria) somewhere...suffice it to say, these were people in the same boat as Polanski and Frykowski--of interest to the Feds.
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Post by jack on Dec 23, 2020 7:32:12 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 23, 2020 8:46:17 GMT -6
Huh. He went to Crane Country Day School in Santa Barbara. So, what? He went to a rich kids' private school. What is more disturbing, for our purposes, is the deep and sometimes secret ties between certain private "day country schools" and this insidious pseudo-Sikh, pseudo-Christian, pseudo-Buddhist, pseudo-you-name-it pedophile cult. Speaking of Ghislaine Maxwell, speaking of Allison Mack, speaking of you name it, google "Snatam Kaur." Looks harmless, doesn't she? She was groomed her whole life by "gurus" and "swamis" like, and I mean specifically, "Yogi" Bhajan, founder of 3HO. She is the Marie Osmond of 3HO. 3HO is a fraudulent, syncretic, behind "music therapy," "Sikh-Darma," "Kundalini Yoga," "Christian Yoga," and other pseudo-Eastern pedophile "gurus." 3HO (and they are only the leading brand of this garbage) is a sort of half-assed Hindu/Sikh gnosticism ("all religions are one." Remember the Unitarians?) that teaches--surprise, surprise!--Infant Consciousness, that age-old excuse for sexualizing children from a very, very young age. They have a LOT of powerful friends in Media (ever heard of Oprah Winfrey? she was sexually abused as a child. Guess who came along selling her "spiritual healing?") What did you think "Music Therapy" supposedly "heals?" And guess how they do it? Read David Gerrold's "The Sword and Laser" series. He's an MD psychiatrist, by the way, and you'll never, ever guess what he specializes in. Anyhoo, what does this have to do with Crosby? Well, what does he have to do with the LA music industry, Mama Cass, Pic Dawson...and now, through his ancestral manse, SOS. Funny, that. www.vaneijck.org/posts/2020-03-11-premka.htmlwww.icsahome.com/articles/religious-justifications-for-child-sexual-abuse-in-cults-kent-ijcs-2012This website has been censored recently. I have no idea if it will ever be back: www.wackoworldofyogibhajan.net |
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Post by jack on Dec 23, 2020 18:57:30 GMT -6
It seems like these wealthy families are involved in these cases. David Crosby is likely another of these wealthy anti USA operatives that used the sex, rock drug counter culture as a means to pervert an entire generation of American's called the baby doomers. To them satanism is a way of life.
David Van Cortlandt Crosby was born in Los Angeles, California, second son of Academy Award–winning cinematographer Floyd Crosby, who formerly worked on Wall Street, and Aliph Van Cortlandt Whitehead, a salesperson at Macy's department store.[7] His father was a relative of the Van Rensselaer family, and his mother- granddaughter of Bishop of Pittsburgh Cortlandt Whitehead- descended from the prominent Van Cortlandt family;[8] they "regularly inhabited the New York society pages before their wedding".[9]
In the pre Civil War period one of the Van Rensselaer family members founded the paramilitary force "Knights of the Golden Circle" headquartered in Cincy Ohio. They had several thousand men and planned to annex the southern United States, Mexico, Cuba and deal slaves and drugs via the entire hemisphere.
I am not saying Crosby is involved even though his band mate Neil Young (another environmentalist kook) gave Manson his new motorcyle. I am sure David and his family would never go for such a thing.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 24, 2020 10:11:06 GMT -6
It's funny, though, that soooo many of the "folk" singers of the 1960s came from Establishment families with ties to CIA, etc. A lot of them changed their names; some didn't. A lot of Jewish ones took Irish names. For example, Mama "Cass Elliot's" real name was Naomi Cohen, and it wasn't just about antisemitism or "high school friends."
This generation of trust fund brats pretending to "be the opposite from our parents" created the whole myth of all the baby boomers being some kind of "social revolution." Plenty of kids, rich and poor, turn out very different from their parents. But a hell of a lot of these right wing families popped out megaselling "hippie" kids all in one throw.
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