camfaults
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Researching cold cases of California.
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Post by camfaults on Dec 21, 2019 2:49:32 GMT -6
And don't forget, Gamberg said on the People Investigates special that Sue had been to his house for a BBQ. That was a new bit of info.
I am curious about Gamberg's three firings from the PCSO and if there is any truth to him removing evidence from the office.
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Post by dishy7300 on Jan 29, 2020 21:53:02 GMT -6
Justice: Good to see you here. Does it surprise you (as much as it surprised me) to even be considering Mr. Seabolt?? His name has been kicked around for quite a while and at first I was like "Wha???" and now I'm more like hmmmmmmmmmmm....
So many people. So many people.
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When I first began reading about this case I thought mr seabolt should have been considered a strong suspect because he left so early ("to get wood") he was seen at the bins where evidence was found and he was gone till lunch time giving him ample time to move Tina anywhere including camp 18. I had read that there were allegations of him sexually abusing a child or children sometime after the murders.
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kay
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Post by kay on Feb 18, 2020 22:00:19 GMT -6
I’ve always questioned why people weren’t more interesting in James Seabolt Sr. He assaulted a woman named Vickie R., allegedly had ongoing relationships with a couple little girls in town, and allegedly even kept their underwear.
So there’s 2things that go hand in hand with the Keddie case. Violence against women Alleged relationships with little girls (like Tina?)
I feel he should have been looked into way more then they did.
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Post by karis on Feb 19, 2020 5:08:57 GMT -6
I agree Kay. We know that he left Keddie in the early morning (4:30 or 5:00?) to cut wood, and didn't come back until lunch. His wife said he didn't sleep good that night. He would have known the layout of that cabin.
I feel he should have been looked into way more then they did.
Maybe he was, but who knows.
Justin would have known James Seabolt but he didn't name him.
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Post by kay on Feb 19, 2020 21:32:19 GMT -6
The only two people Justin has ever named was Marty and no (that we know of). BUT, he retracted his statement and said he didn’t see anything (which I think is a lie).
In the documentaries, Justin sent an email to josh saying he went to therapy and all the suppressed memories have resurfaced and him and his partner had solved the case. First of all I’m sure you did, second of all if he really did why hasn’t he told anyone? What is the reason for Justin’s silence?
For anyone who knows about the works of dealing with cases like this, is there any way the police can make Justin talk? Or a mandatory questioning, anything like that? (I feel like I’ve asked this question in other places and it just gets dodged)
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Post by kmik on Feb 19, 2020 22:10:41 GMT -6
Kay, Justin (to my knowledge) has never told the police that Marty or Bo was in the cabin. And if Justin knows that Marty was there I'd like to think he would go to the police if nothing else than to stop all of the speculation about his own involvement. I too think, with his DNA supposedly in the crime scene, something could be done - but maybe they have talked to him extensively?
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Post by raemen2 on Feb 20, 2020 17:00:46 GMT -6
For anyone who knows about the works of dealing with cases like this, is there any way the police can make Justin talk? Or a mandatory questioning, anything like that? (I feel like I’ve asked this question in other places and it just gets dodged)
No person can be compelled to speak with or answer questions from law enforcement (5th Amendment). That doesn’t mean you can’t be arrested if law enforcement believes they have enough evidence against you ~ forensic or circumstantial to bring the case to trial. Now, once you consent to talk to police there are plenty of tactics they are willing to use to get a confession. This has always gnawed at me... if this crime was the result of a dysfunctional family and/or involved people who on any level where connected... how where LE not able to breakdown the bull****. The more people involved would raise the odds that someone would talk? The more this crime could be viewed as a crime of passion the more likely someone would break down and talk? DNA at the crime scene... given what we know about Justin’s statements why wouldn’t his DNA be there?
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Post by karis on Feb 20, 2020 21:19:23 GMT -6
given what we know about Justin’s statements why wouldn’t his DNA be there?
It has been said Justin's DNA was on the tape. If that is true, why was his DNA on the tape? Why was his DNA on anything? Did he bleed? Was the DNA from blood? And from the photo of Sue, her hands are resting on her dress. If he tried to "help" Sue, (we know according to what he said he had to have seen her wound on her chest) he would have done that after the killers were gone. Her hands were already tied in front. She was "hog" tied which meant she would have been in an almost fetal position. In order see anything he would have had to take the blanket and sheet off her body. Why not try and take her gag off. But according to him he check the wound of her chest. Not only did he have to take the blanket and sheet off her he had to move her bloody hands. If that be the case he could have left a bloody finger print(s). After checking Sue and surely getting blood on his hands he then had to put the sheet and blanket back over her. Or, did he then go and wash his hands in the bathroom? (I hope I am making sense.) How did Justin even know her chest was cut with the blanket and sheet covering her and with her body almost in a fetal position, and the low lighting?
Did he try to "help" Johnny and Dana? Why Sue and not the boys? He had to have seen them first. After seeing the boys why wasn't he afraid to lift that blanket?? I don't think he could have done or seen any of this without the light in that room being on.
After spending time checking Sue Justin knew the killers are not in the house or waiting outside, after all they have Tina (according to him). Why didn't he run out of that house to get help? The boys go back to bed in that house with 3 dead bodies.
Justin was not the only one awake in that house that night. According to the reports Greg talked about that night and talked about waking up. If Greg was awake then so was Ricky.
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kay
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Post by kay on Feb 20, 2020 22:11:28 GMT -6
How do we know is wasn’t Justin who covered her? I also was wondering what Justin could have left behind on the tape for his DNA to be found.
If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it 500 times. I do not think any of those boys stayed asleep all through the night. And if they did, MAYBE it could have been Greg, since he was the youngest and probably slept through the night easier (when I was 5 I could sleep through our smoke alarm)
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Post by karis on Feb 21, 2020 5:44:19 GMT -6
According to Josh Hancock it was Justin who covered her. He said it was an "undisputed fact". ( We haven't seen that information).There was a smear of blood on the bed that the covers came off of. It could have been from the killer or the person who covered her up.
SHARP, GREG
Sue's son, talked @ events on 4/11/81 evening, said he woke up during the evening
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Back to the DNA. I know nothing about DNA. I only know they collect it and test it! But we have never heard Mike Gamberg or Greg Hagwood say it WAS Justin's DNA. That came from Dmac. I am only assuming that was a true statement. Kmik and I were told 2-3 years ago by someone that knew a lot about the case the DNA they had came from a living person that was not a threat to anyone.
What is interesting to me is that a 12-13 year old boy had the presence of mind to even check Sue. He checked Sue with Dana's bloody head so close to her body. And why, if he covered her he didn't also cover Johnny and Dana. He must have walked around and looked at the boys He described the waffle soled shoes that Dana was wearing. Only him and the coroner described those shoes.
He didn't scream when he saw the murder scene. Sheila did. She screamed and ran out the door back to the Seabolts. He went back to bed.
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Post by kay on Feb 23, 2020 14:58:55 GMT -6
According to Dmac and Justin’s Facebook, Marilyn Musgrove passed away on Friday 2/21
He said some nasty things about her death obviously, but a lot of people that are talking about this case on his pages now believe that since Marilyn has passed, Justin will come forward with what he knows because he won’t be protecting his mother anymore
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Post by kmik on Feb 23, 2020 16:52:05 GMT -6
Yes it appears that Marilyn has passed away but if Justin was protecting Marilyn then who were Ricky and Greg protecting? Nobody needed for Marilyn to die to tell what they knew.
Funny that the only thing Dmac seems concerned with is getting ole Joe Mcplumber back on his forum so he can convince him of how wrong he is - but Joe's too smart for that. He's lost everybody on his forum that could have possibly been of any help by trying to trip them up on every word they typed. Why is that? Because Dmac knows exactly what happened in that cabin no matter where the evidence, or lack there of, takes him. The people posting on 28FB are hilarious and nothing but a bunch of "yes men". It's insane how they worship him and his beliefs (probably because they know, and have researched, nothing beyond what he tells them). At least it's something for them to read while having their morning coffee or stuck in traffic.
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Post by kay on Feb 23, 2020 17:53:17 GMT -6
That’s what I want dmac or really anyone deeply involved in the case (police or family etc) to answer.
Why is dmac so persistent that Justin knows something, but not persistent that Ricky and Greg know something? He has posted multiple times that there is evidence that all three boys hid in the closet and the killer(s) has entered the room as there was blood on the light switch of something like that, I’m just going off of memory here.
First of all, we don’t know if any of what he says is true.
Second, why is he so adamant on Justin? Is it because his DNA was ACTUALLY found at the crime scene and dmac isn’t just spewing lies? Maybe. But it still doesn’t answer the question as to why he only attacks Justin out of the 3 survivors of that cabin.
I am hopeful that maybe with marilyns death some truth may surface, but I very heavily doubt it.
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Post by kmik on Feb 23, 2020 18:41:13 GMT -6
Kay, I don't think Marilyn's death will bring anymore truth to surface than Glenna Meeks death did. Marilyn was working along with Josh and Glenna on the documentary insinuating that Marty was guilty - so why would Justin (who was part of the documentary himself with the perfect opportunity to tell his story) have to wait for Marilyn's death to say Marty was involved? Marilyn was already insinuating it herself on the same documentary that Justin participated in?
Dmac attacks Justin because it's Justin's family that everyone has grown to hate so he's an easy target.
I'll say this again that talk of the "DNA being from a living suspect who is no threat to anyone" has been around for years - so who would be living and no threat to anyone that could have been in the cabin but who has not been arrested? I think it's very easy to surmise it was probably one of the boys. I think the boys surviving but claiming to know nothing - then Justin telling his dreams mixed with reality - is what really puzzles the police. It's puzzling to me.
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Post by kmik on Feb 24, 2020 6:52:32 GMT -6
The "kids hiding in the closet" scenario is something that Glenna Meeks wrote in an old post years ago. She said that she thought Sheila had said they were hiding in the closet trying to keep Greg from crying. Does that sound possible? Yes it does but that would most definitely prove all of the boys were awake and isn't some inside knowledge that Dmac has - it's in her old post and has just recently been added to his theory. He didn't appear to believe it in 2015 when we mentioned it to him in an email. I'll see if I can find that post
*** I found one of Glenna's post from 2009 that says, "I'm believing it was justins x that told me about the boys being in the closet. if so, then it would have been Justin who told her."
I am going to keep looking because I think she mentioned it several times.
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