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Post by btaylor71 on Aug 23, 2021 11:14:40 GMT -6
Sam Carr lists his residence as Fort Belvoir, Virginia. Specifically, " Hq Sec 2751st SCU." Hq Sec 2751st SCU
There are a few potential interpretations as to what the above means. Any other interpretations and insight would be appreciated. The 2751st is believed to have been attached to the Rome (NY) Air Force Base. The 2751st SCU at Fort Belvoir, Virginia is likely a WAC Detachment. (Women's Army Corps.) Put another way, the 2751st home base was Rome NY, but there was a detachment at Fort Belvoir at that time. The 2751st is pretty interesting. It was originally called the 2751st Experimental Wing. In 1951, it was combined with other Rome Air Force Base units which collectively were called The Air Force Labs (at Rome.) Top secret stuff. Where things get potentially more interesting. The 2751st was involved in the development of the Norden Bombsite. T he Bombsite secrets were stolen by German agents during the war leading to the biggest espionage case in WW2. Link to Screenshot of Marriage Certificate. |
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 23, 2021 21:24:37 GMT -6
Hot crackers! Help yourself to a pumpkin sticker! AFAIK, "HQ Sec" would be Headquarters Security. You know, the people who are supposed to keep the spies OUT. Out of the kind of place where a fucking Nazi spy would be able to obtain things like data or blueprints or whatever for things like, oh, Norden bombsights. The kind of fucking Nazi spy who would be friends (Jack Cassara) with a Neonazi psycho's friend (Fred Cowan.)
You don't know it yet, but I think you just cracked the whole thing. In the meantime, this is going to be the highlight of my birthday show this weekend. How do you want to be credited? I will credit that website for having the marriage license, but you identified the outfit. (Is that your website?)
It will take a few months to get there, but wait until you see where this fits--and what it connects.
Thanks a million!
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Post by mannygrossman on Aug 24, 2021 5:27:38 GMT -6
Hot crackers! Help yourself to a pumpkin sticker! AFAIK, "HQ Sec" would be Headquarters Security. You know, the people who are supposed to keep the spies OUT. Out of the kind of place where a fucking Nazi spy would be able to obtain things like data or blueprints or whatever for things like, oh, Norden bombsights. The kind of fucking Nazi spy who would be friends (Jack Cassara) with a Neonazi psycho's friend (Fred Cowan.) You don't know it yet, but I think you just cracked the whole thing. In the meantime, this is going to be the highlight of my birthday show this weekend. How do you want to be credited? I will credit that website for having the marriage license, but you identified the outfit. (Is that your website?) It will take a few months to get there, but wait until you see where this fits--and what it connects. Thanks a million! I hope I'm credited because I was the first person to expose that marraige license to the world in my video "A deep dive into the Carr Family" and I also exposed the Ft. Belvoir info and Henderson Hall info as well. Just go back and take a look at 9:26 and 17:43 in this video and you will see this info has been out since May 23.
I encourage you to dive deeper. I'd love to see that. But fair is fair. I've been accused of plagiarism on your videos, which is an extremely serious accusation that I take very seriously. I just want the record to reflect the timeline here. This poster got his information most likely from what I exposed.
After all, this document has been a public record since the 40's. Why all of a sudden are people talking about it now?
Whoever posted that website clearly got their start from info I originally put out there. CFLA was all me. I discovered it even before I found out Maury Terry had CFLA on his radar.
Please don't get me wrong. I love people taking my info and running with it. I actually rely on that as a researcher. That's the whole notion behind crowdsourcing. But there is this weird thing happening where people are taking my work and not even saying my name, which I find strange. Especially since I've been the one accused of plagiarism, which is about as far from true as humanly possible.
I don't have anything against you Professor. I even find you likeable. But this plagiarism talk is in extremely poor taste, especially since I have never once listened to any of your work other than checking to see what's being said about my work. I don't even know what your main thesis is other than Glassman isn't dead, which is a subject I don't particularly care about and have never mentioned once on my show.
I'm not interested in a pissing contest, and I will not argue online. I just wanted to correct the record here. There is a clear timeline and historical record. No one in SOS ever talked about CFLA and the marraige license before I talked about it on my solo vids and more extensively on my show with Jason Goodman.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 24, 2021 9:11:50 GMT -6
Well, how about joining us this weekend on my "birthday" livecast? I have nothing against you, either. You're more than welcome. It will be (hopefully) me, Ned, Drew, NY Patriot, and the guy from Occult Rejects, plus you, if you can and will make it. Once I get the live "roundtables" going on a regular basis, you could be one of the regular or semi-regular participants. I'm shooting for a short list of podcasters to all get together like once or twice a month. Etc.
On that topic, how do you like Subscribestar? I don't see a livestream capability, so I'm going to try OnlyFans. By New Yearsish, I hope to be doing a live weekly "call-in" show on lots of topics (eventually, daily.) You're certainly welcome to a free lifetime subscription, and you could be one of the people who can call in anytime. PM me your email address, and I'll send you a link to subscribe.
Thanks for the link, and I look forward to chatting with you about this material!
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Post by btaylor71 on Aug 24, 2021 10:07:01 GMT -6
"Whoever posted that website clearly got their start from info I originally put out there." Let's not say "clearly got their start." Saying as much misses the context of the website, which is much broader in scope that the Son-of-Sam work you are doing, but nonetheless, ideally, relevant to your work. That being said, the marriage license was on a genealogy website. Probably you or the crowd put it there. Thank you. In any case, I'm think Sam Carr is understood better in the broader historical context of the WWII era. On my website, I have been writing extensively about the exfiltration of Military Tech Secrets and the sale or transfer of those secrets to both the Nazis and the Soviets. A good example is Julius Rosenberg. Rosenberg began stealing the plans for proximity fuses from Fort Monmouth NJ in about 1942. Long story short, Rosenberg was probably the Patsy. He did steal the proximity fuse plans, but he believed he was helping the Soviets defeat Hitler. The point is, Rosenberg was used to pass the Secrets to the Soviets and likely Nazis. As a Jewish Communist, he made a pretty good public target for when he was eventually arrested in 1950. I believe Rosenberg was unwittingly working for the "Ruling Elite" (the "Rockefeller Crowd"), specifically William Stuart Symington. Symington (Future Air Force Secy, US Senator) owned the facility where Rosenberg worked at Ft. Monmouth (aka Emerson Electric.) Basically what you have in WWII is a bunch of very wealthy industrialists looking to: 1. Prolong the war for maximum profit (ie. give Tech to the Nazis and Soviets to even things out.) 2. Carry out the Eugenics World Population Reduction program they were very Public about before Hitler and the Nazis gave it a bad name. (ie. Eugenics deserved its bad name, I'm just saying it was rebranded as Family Planning and Population Control.) Basically you have the Rockefellers, duPonts, Symingtons, Bushes, and others stealing their own Technology and blaming it on the Jewish Communists and others. (See my essay on Harry Gold. Gold was Jewish certainly but not much of a Communist. More than likely he was gay, which in those days would have provided a lot of leverage to someone who wanted his help in an effort to engage in espionage. (I am not Jewish, nevertheless, I can imagine the WASPy types muttering to themselves that blaming the Jewish "Bachelor" would "fly" with the American Public who might have been more predisposed (especially in those days) to blame the Jews.) Now on to Samual Carr. If there is a Syndicate of Americans stealing military secrets, The Wealthy Families are the executive level beneficiaries. The Jews, communists and Homosexuals, are the Patsies. The Intelligence Agencies (OSS, US Army Intel, Office of Naval Intel., eventually the CIA) are the middle managers. The Intelligence employees would be the ones that look the other way if Rosenberg is sticking proximity fuse plans in his pants. The Executives pay/bribe Security officers to look the other way, or keep the FBI out of the loop if a Patsy gets caught. It looks like Sam Carr may have been one of those types. Involved in Intelligence, possibly even the Nordon Bombsite case. If anyone wants to read more about why the Rosenbergs are likely Patsies, and other instances of Military secret theft, there is plenty at the link. Feel free to mention the site on any of your shows. d-state-research.com/home/ |
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Post by btaylor71 on Aug 24, 2021 10:46:11 GMT -6
Harry Gold. Sugar Chemist.
Worked for one of the biggest refineries at the time.
Lots dirty Sugar tycoons in the Rockefeller Crowd.
I forget which one owned the Yonkers plant.
One of Bob Muellers sisters married into a Sugar Tycoon family. William K. Dick was her husband.
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Post by mannygrossman on Aug 24, 2021 11:28:54 GMT -6
Well, how about joining us this weekend on my "birthday" livecast? I have nothing against you, either. You're more than welcome. It will be (hopefully) me, Ned, Drew, NY Patriot, and the guy from Occult Rejects, plus you, if you can and will make it. Once I get the live "roundtables" going on a regular basis, you could be one of the regular or semi-regular participants. I'm shooting for a short list of podcasters to all get together like once or twice a month. Etc. On that topic, how do you like Subscribestar? I don't see a livestream capability, so I'm going to try OnlyFans. By New Yearsish, I hope to be doing a live weekly "call-in" show on lots of topics (eventually, daily.) You're certainly welcome to a free lifetime subscription, and you could be one of the people who can call in anytime. PM me your email address, and I'll send you a link to subscribe. Thanks for the link, and I look forward to chatting with you about this material! Thanks for the invite, but I will respectfully pass. I am really a lone wolf and I enjoy doing my own thing over in my own little niche of this case. I am not a roundtable kinda guy and would not want to ruin the vibe by talking too much or too little. But I appreciate the invite nonetheless. I'm sure it will be a good talk.
Subscribestar has been a monster success. I just hit 554 subscribers today and every day 4-5 more sign up. So far very few cancellations too. I know my trolls are all on there, giving me their little passive aggressive dislikes, but at least they're paying me for the priveledge. The only thing is Subscribestar is an extremely clunky website that seems like something from 1999. It also does not host videos so you'd need a vimeo account which runs about $300 a year give or take. But I went from a free Youtuber to now making my living doing this in the span of two weeks. It can and might all end next month, so I ain't quitting my day job, but so far so good. Getting off Youtube was a godsend. People don't respect you when you work for free and I'd rather talk to 500 dedicated fans than 10000 lurkers and negative people who turn on you the minute they perceive a slight. I'm still dealing with douchebags who think I care that they're not subscribing to my channel because I am now charging. To those people I say "great....enjoy not watching my vids." It really is the best business model. There is no excuse save extreme poverty why someone can't afford $5, and with a price that low there is no real risk of feeling ripped off (unless I produce no videos) and on the other hand of that I don't care if a few people cancel their membership. It is the dawn of a new era in micro-patronage and I say get on board now. You doing this will inspire more people to do it.
Regarding my work, and accusations of plagiarism, which I notice you did not address, all I ask is credit for my work and for the baseless accusations to stop. I actually want to be friends with everyone, but it's hard when my work and motivations are so mischaracterized. I'm not talking about any other researchers on my channel save for asking Carl about his Uncle on a video many months ago. You got angry at that and I learned my lesson. Hopefully these little things will end and we can all move on trying to find out more about the Son of Sam case and beyond. I'm neck deep into Steinberg and now Patz.
Thanks for letting me say my piece (or is is peace?)......
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 24, 2021 11:56:44 GMT -6
You corrected the record. I have no problem with that. Unless someone can "prove" it wrong. I'm not trying to "own" the SOS story. I have only had time to watch a couple of your videos. Ditto, I'm sure. So, unless one of my or your Buckaroos TELLS us where they got this or that from, we have no way of knowing. Do we?
So what if I'm David Letterman, and you're Jay Leno? Come on the show. You're just as welcome as Drew or Evan or anybody else. And the viewers--yours and mine--would love it. And this IS a pretty big factoid, as you know. And you clearly know a lot about it. And by far the best way to give you credit for the scoop is in person. Plugging that great show.
Which reminds me--yeah, in that video, you show the marriage license and mention Sam Carr getting married in 1945. Yyyyooouuuuuu don't say ANYTHING (in that video) about the 2751st, let alone what it MEANS. Sooooooo...before you get your panties wadded up any tighter, I will GLADLY give credit for digging up the license. Gladly. Unless someone else deserves it. Like, the owner of that website. Is that you? Buuuuuuuuuuuut I need to see some evidence that you "knew" what any of that meant BEFORE btaylor71 posted it HERE. And I'm sure you can understand that. Maybe, that's why you don't want to talk to me live.
And thanks for the info about Subscribestar. I'll let you know how things go on OnlyFans.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 24, 2021 12:15:59 GMT -6
Look here, people--they're not called Buckaroos for nothing. They earn it.
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Post by mannygrossman on Aug 24, 2021 14:15:10 GMT -6
You corrected the record. I have no problem with that. Unless someone can "prove" it wrong. I'm not trying to "own" the SOS story. I have only had time to watch a couple of your videos. Ditto, I'm sure. So, unless one of my or your Buckaroos TELLS us where they got this or that from, we have no way of knowing. Do we? So what if I'm David Letterman, and you're Jay Leno? Come on the show. You're just as welcome as Drew or Evan or anybody else. And the viewers--yours and mine--would love it. And this IS a pretty big factoid, as you know. And you clearly know a lot about it. And by far the best way to give you credit for the scoop is in person. Plugging that great show. Which reminds me--yeah, in that video, you show the marriage license and mention Sam Carr getting married in 1945. Yyyyooouuuuuu don't say ANYTHING (in that video) about the 2751st, let alone what it MEANS. Sooooooo...before you get your panties wadded up any tighter, I will GLADLY give credit for digging up the license. Gladly. Unless someone else deserves it. Like, the owner of that website. Is that you? Buuuuuuuuuuuut I need to see some evidence that you "knew" what any of that meant BEFORE btaylor71 posted it HERE. And I'm sure you can understand that. Maybe, that's why you don't want to talk to me live. And thanks for the info about Subscribestar. I'll let you know how things go on OnlyFans. Thanks. I forget which exact show it was in but on my weekly show with Jason I mentioned that I spoke to a guy very familiar with the various militray barracks and halls. He told me that both Ft Belvoir and Henderson Hall were places where intelligence people were housed. I didn't go too in depth other than mention it. I'm sure many people picked up on that and started researching, hence the OP in this thread. I don't have the time or inclination to sift thru the hours of the show so you'll have to take my word for it, or not. But this is the beauty of the crowdsourcing method. It puts the various expertise's of the audience to work. I'd never have made that connection on my own, but I did hear of it and report on it first. I'm glad people are taking my work and running with it. Beleive me, I am not interested in "owning son of sam" like old Mister Terry thought he did. But credit where it is due would be nice, since my people are telling me that people onforums all over the internet are passing off my work as theirs. This was an example I found so I had to pipe up about it. It's just basic journalistic integrity.
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Post by btaylor71 on Aug 24, 2021 15:17:24 GMT -6
While you guys are arguing. FBI Espionage Investigation Case - NYC - 1949. Grand Jury List with names Samuel Carr and Julia Carr. (Sam has a sister in the Carr Tree at the link.) Go to the bottom of the page at the link. (Have not had a chance to look at thoroughly.) d-state-research.com/home/news-research-sites/son-of-sam-notes/ |
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 24, 2021 17:54:40 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's THE Sam Carr and his sister. But I had no idea why the Feebs were talking to THEM. And what's the standard spy tactic? Preemptively accuse someone else of being a spy? the cotton-picking 2751st...you don't say...
Like I said, this is bigger than you think. You cracked the whole thing. You'll see. Unless, of course, Manny shows you first. Snicker.
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Post by btaylor71 on Aug 24, 2021 18:29:49 GMT -6
The whole PDF is at the linked page.
Its big and hopefully I can go through it later.
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Post by mannygrossman on Aug 25, 2021 7:16:06 GMT -6
The whole PDF is at the linked page. Its big and hopefully I can go through it later. I didn't see Sam's name at all in the PDF. Only that one Grand Jury sheet. Sam did have a sister named Julia. But I wonder why they listed him as "Sam Carr" rather than his full name "Samuel Carr"? The other names on the list are all full names. I'm not saying that grand jusry document is fake, I'm just a little puzzled as to the inconsistency in the naming of people.
When I first exposed CFLA a few months ago, I suspected that the Yonkers group were using CFLA as an intelligence front for various purposes, including child trafficking for cultic rituals. But we found no smoking gun proof. We have several videos on this very subject in the archives. In one I show an article about Nazi Spies using CFLA headquarters at 180 Hudson Terrace during WWII, which I found extremely curious given operation Paperclip and some other really shady stuff happening in that same neighborhood. Of course, during WWII, CFLA didn't exist, but they ended up in this same exact house at 180 Hudson Terrace.
Look into Albert Laverne too. His name was first told to me by a local Yonkers resident who lived across the street from him. His house was bought from the famous Catholic Bishop Sheen, and it was located literally across a fence from Untermyer Park. He is an interesting character worthy of further inquiry. Of course his name was nowhere in The Ultimate Evil. From my local contact I heard his two sons were involved directly with the cultists in Untermyer, who once chased my contact up a hill from the Aqueduct when she was a kid.
The crowdsourcing method is perfect for bringing up topics and having the crowd run with it, as I see is happening now with this CFLA business. I am extremely happy about this.
I tweeted an invite on my show with Jason Goodman to you when you flesh out this Sam Carr thing a little more.
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Post by btaylor71 on Aug 25, 2021 8:29:08 GMT -6
The whole PDF is at the linked page. Its big and hopefully I can go through it later. I didn't see Sam's name at all in the PDF. Only that one Grand Jury sheet. Sam did have a sister named Julia. But I wonder why they listed him as "Sam Carr" rather than his full name "Samuel Carr"? The other names on the list are all full names. I'm not saying that grand jusry document is fake, I'm just a little puzzled as to the inconsistency in the naming of people.
When I first exposed CFLA a few months ago, I suspected that the Yonkers group were using CFLA as an intelligence front for various purposes, including child trafficking for cultic rituals. But we found no smoking gun proof. We have several videos on this very subject in the archives. In one I show an article about Nazi Spies using CFLA headquarters at 180 Hudson Terrace during WWII, which I found extremely curious given operation Paperclip and some other really shady stuff happening in that same neighborhood. Of course, during WWII, CFLA didn't exist, but they ended up in this same exact house at 180 Hudson Terrace.
Look into Albert Laverne too. His name was first told to me by a local Yonkers resident who lived across the street from him. His house was bought from the famous Catholic Bishop Sheen, and it was located literally across a fence from Untermyer Park. He is an interesting character worthy of further inquiry. Of course his name was nowhere in The Ultimate Evil. From my local contact I heard his two sons were involved directly with the cultists in Untermyer, who once chased my contact up a hill from the Aqueduct when she was a kid.
The crowdsourcing method is perfect for bringing up topics and having the crowd run with it, as I see is happening now with this CFLA business. I am extremely happy about this.
I tweeted an invite on my show with Jason Goodman to you when you flesh out this Sam Carr thing a little more.
The Grand Jury Page (153 of the PDF) says 2/1/49 with the names and notation: Alexander Stevens, was. Sam Carr Julia Carr Not sure is "was." is an abbreviation for something or does it simply mean "Alexander Stevens was Sam Carr." Like "AKA." Reference is made to the front first page where a few names say "was:" See the title section where it says "Jay David Whittaker Chambers, was: George Crosley, Carl Carlson, .....etc. I suspect "was" on this document is not the same as "AKA."
Front first page (section labeled SYNOPSIS of FACTS.) Something crossed out under "Alexander Stevens" and reference to unavailable for questioning due to Grand Jury Appearance on page 3. (Note, their is an Index page inserted between Page 1 and Page 3. (ie. Page 1 is continued on Page 3.) Page 52 contains information about Alexander Stevens (118 Street, Kew Gardens, Long Island). No other references to Sam and Julia Carr.
Front First page (Section labeled "Copies of this report.")Note the report is from 1949 and it looks like a stamp of Jan 12 1978.
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