The arcade seems to me like a major hub. And I wasn't the only one suprised it stayed open so late. Edward Beckley owned it and Kathy Beckley managed it?! Your killing me! Wonder if the boys stopped by there that night
I’m thinking Dana was heading to a Group Home, typically reserved for older children who exhibit concerns beyond that which foster parents can handle eg) behavioral, medical or developmental. There is 24/7 supervision by paid staff and the goal is to provide a structured life in terms of counseling, education and other services.
Wouldn’t you think if he was already scheduled to be moved from the Dorris home that they wouldn’t have let him continue to roam the streets like an adult?
Nobody is to blame for their deaths but the killers - but the Dorris’s were letting Dana roam the streets just like Sue was letting Johnny. As has already been mentioned, we had Lucy S who was said to be some kind of counselor to Dana (?) taking them to a MV party and his PO witnessed him hitchhiking around 8:00pm on a Saturday night and didnt even stop to question his assigned delinquent to ask who he was with or if he needed a ride home.
Kathy B. didnt mind confronting Alyssa over a locket but she wasn’t busting down the door of the Pcso to tell them she arraigned their ride home, and Cruzita didnt mind spreading the rumor of Marty and Sue but couldn’t waste her breath to tell the truth about the ride.
Why won’t someone finally step forward with the truth because somebody knows what happened
Raeman thats what I had thought too. I mean it makes sense Dana needed better supervision. But like kmik says if Dana needed more structure, why weren't the dorrises at least trying to reign him in? At the very least I would have had him call when he got to where he was spending the night.
And if Dana was an informant, he could not only be the primary target of the killers, but also (as a minor) be a point of embarrassment/coverup by PCSO. He seems like a calm, well-liked kid. Even if the Dorris’s were lax, a “higher security” location feels like something done for his personal safety.
That’s how it seems to me JR - Dana’s move was for personal security.
If either or both were narcs who would have been responsible for asking them to do that and would the entire PCSO have known they were informants - would seem kinda risky for more people to know - even if they were LE they’re still human and still talk.
I’m really interested in this drug angle - and so many people right down to Doug Thomas thinking that was the motive.
The only thing in DT’s “no secret” files that made reference to a specific officer was - “Forcino retired”. Did he think Forcino retired because of the stress of knowing something?
If you guys have DT's list of idiosyncrasies would mind posting it please? I thought I saved it but can't find it.
He was making some connections, all those things on his list meant something to him. The Forcino line is the most interesting. And I think we are all thinking along the same line as to what DT was trying to figure out there.
What officers from Abernathy's group were still with PCSO in 81?
The truth is neither of the boys may have been narcs - but somebody could have thought that they were.
Here's DT's list. I don't know what it meant to him but here's my take: 1. He had lived Cabin 28 at some point (maybe he wondered if the killers thought he still lived there) 2. Forcino retired (maybe he wondered or knew he retired because of this case) 3. Mollaths daughter murdered (maybe he wondered if there was a connection) 4. Thought body was Jeff (I've heard many LE who have children often say that they think of their own children when going to a crime scene where a child/teen is a victim - so surely no different for DT - or he seriously thought the body on the floor was his son)
Do we know how Gamberg came to be teaching the boys martial arts? Was he involved in Boys & Girls Club or formal mentoring type program? He was off the force at this point right? Curious to know how he was making a living. Doesnt seem like Sue or the Wingate/Dorris families had extra resources for private lessons.
Wondered those same things and tried to look into it a little bit. The 1974 FRB article announcing him joining PCSO said:
"Gamberg previously taught judo and jujitsu to police officers in the Bay Area. He also worked with Juveniles in the Fredmont, Union City area."
The way "Juveniles" is capitalized. It doesn't "youths" or "children". The article makes it sound like his teaching was LE based. That's my take on it at least & its interesting. Will see what else comes up.
The only other article of relevance was from 1975. Gamberg had an adult judo evening class at the FRC. A beginner/intermediate class, also for adults, was being formed. And there was a brief sentence stating he gave a lecture about self defense for women during a women's workshop the FRC held. He is a third degree black belt. No mention of what type of classes, if any, he was teaching in 81. I agree, can't help but wonder how J&D were able to pay for martial arts lessons.