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Post by justiceseeker on May 9, 2021 3:08:02 GMT -6
Should we pass on "Grant's" and move on to "Ted B"? It'll turn up.
We need more of Terry's flowcharts. Some names are in quotes, like "Ted B". Some aren't, like this Beasley or Wendy Kaplan. CBS "producer" was in quotes. Do quotes denote title or alias?
"Grants" versus "Grant's" can definitely lead down different avenues. Maury's penchant for not being uniform in his assignment of pseudonyms is frustrating...sometimes he barely conceals them and purposely keeps them alliterative, sometimes not. On at least one occasion he's swapped a first name and last name, or variations thereof. And "Vinny"s codenames are no better...that said...given "Vinny" says "Camaro" is not the Sisman and Radin associates name, but it's "something close to that", I think it's possible "Camaro" does not reference a last name, but a first. Take a look at Episode 3 just past the 40 minute mark, after Michael Zuckerman is done speaking...there's something interesting in the readable portion of the notes shown...or NOT. Or maybe...I'm just reading too much into things and "James Camaro" is Jimmy Caan.
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Post by ace on May 9, 2021 9:23:58 GMT -6
It'll turn up.
We need more of Terry's flowcharts. Some names are in quotes, like "Ted B". Some aren't, like this Beasley or Wendy Kaplan. CBS "producer" was in quotes. Do quotes denote title or alias?
"Grants" versus "Grant's" can definitely lead down different avenues. Maury's penchant for not being uniform in his assignment of pseudonyms is frustrating...sometimes he barely conceals them and purposely keeps them alliterative, sometimes not. On at least one occasion he's swapped a first name and last name, or variations thereof. And "Vinny"s codenames are no better...that said...given "Vinny" says "Camaro" is not the Sisman and Radin associates name, but it's "something close to that", I think it's possible "Camaro" does not reference a last name, but a first. Take a look at Episode 3 just past the 40 minute mark, after Michael Zuckerman is done speaking...there's something interesting in the readable portion of the notes shown...or NOT. Or maybe...I'm just reading too much into things and "James Camaro" is Jimmy Caan. Hey Justice, any chance you can pull netflix up on a computer and take a screenshot? I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing.
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Post by ace on May 9, 2021 9:32:52 GMT -6
I have a candidate for "Grant's"
I can't say for sure how long it has been there, but it's close to Columbia. They don't appear to have a website, or at least I can't find one. After a few episodes of "Hotel Impossible" this is no surprise, lol.
Sutton Place is on the other side of the island to the south.
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Post by mannygrossman on May 9, 2021 9:41:21 GMT -6
Perhaps the Grant Hotel was used as a meeting site for prostitution associated with the cult?
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Post by ace on May 9, 2021 9:49:39 GMT -6
Perhaps the Grant Hotel was used as a meeting site for prostitution associated with the cult? That's what I'm thinking. I'm not 100% because these places change names when they get new owners, but damn it's in the right neighborhood, at least to a guy looking at Google maps.
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Post by Omega on May 9, 2021 10:12:04 GMT -6
Another name popping up on the "Maury Chart" is "RUDY". Links to a "Jas C." (I assume "James Camaro". Did "Camaro" drive a Camaro?)
The "RUDY" part from "The Ultimate Evil":
"At the same time, a former counselor at Columbia University in New York City came forward and identified a suspect the prison source Vinny had known only as "Rudy." The counselor stated that he had seen Rudy in the company of Michael Carr on several occasions in a bar near the university —and we'd long known that Michael Carr used to associate with people from the school and imbibe in local pubs. The counselor said that Rudy was "either a Tex-Mex or Hawaiian guy who used to pick up work as an extra or a driver in films or TV shows from time to time." Rudy's exact whereabouts are unknown at this time, but the tavern he frequented with Michael Carr was called The West End. The counselor's report constituted yet another of the many confirmations we'd obtained during the investigation of the information the New York prison sources had provided. And as noted earlier, James Camaro, whom the informants had named as a key figure in the .44 and related cases, was identified and located in mid-1987. Camaro remains uncharged because there is not yet enough corroborating evidence to hold him."
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Post by ace on May 9, 2021 10:22:22 GMT -6
Another name popping up on the "Maury Chart" is "RUDY". Links to a "Jas C." (I assume "James Camaro". Did "Camaro" drive a Camaro?)
The "RUDY" part from "The Ultimate Evil":
"At the same time, a former counselor at Columbia University in New York City came forward and identified a suspect the prison source Vinny had known only as "Rudy." The counselor stated that he had seen Rudy in the company of Michael Carr on several occasions in a bar near the university —and we'd long known that Michael Carr used to associate with people from the school and imbibe in local pubs. The counselor said that Rudy was "either a Tex-Mex or Hawaiian guy who used to pick up work as an extra or a driver in films or TV shows from time to time." Rudy's exact whereabouts are unknown at this time, but the tavern he frequented with Michael Carr was called The West End. The counselor's report constituted yet another of the many confirmations we'd ob-tained during the investigation of the information the New York prison sources had provided. And as noted earlier, James Camaro, whom the informants had named as a key figure in the .44 and related cases, was identified and located in mid-1987. Camaro remains uncharged because there is not yet enough corroborating evidence to hold him."
They very well could have been running some grant-related scheme, applying for them using legit student info.
I looked it up a while back and "Jas" is short for James.
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Post by Omega on May 9, 2021 10:51:19 GMT -6
I have a candidate for "Grant's"
I can't say for sure how long it has been there, but it's close to Columbia. They don't appear to have a website, or at least I can't find one. After a few episodes of "Hotel Impossible" this is no surprise, lol.
Looks like it only became the Grant Hotel around 2005-2006 time frame.
Some internet searches and old TripAdvisor reviews are indicating it was the Woogo Devon Hotel prior and changed to the Grant Hotel around that period.
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Post by mike23 on May 9, 2021 13:36:19 GMT -6
Hey,talking stunts and extra parts in movies.1981,Fort Apache the Bronx(stunts).1982 Amityville Horror II,bit part-gardener.1984,Exterminator 2,bit part-gang member.1998 ,Toys R Us commercial,as the friendly Samoan orderly.2019,Catching Up,part,the Hawaiian guy.More stuntwork roles and small acting roles.Rudy C. Jones.Imdb.
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Post by Omega on May 9, 2021 14:13:47 GMT -6
Hey,talking stunts and extra parts in movies.1981,Fort Apache the Bronx(stunts).1982 Amityville Horror II,bit part-gardener.1984,Exterminator 2,bit part-gang member.1998 ,Toy R Us commercial,as the friendly Samoan orderly.2019,Catching Up,part,the Hawaiian guy.More stuntwork roles and small acting roles. NICE WORK/RESEARCH THERE, MIKE!
"IF" this is indeed THE "RUDY", how CRAZY is it that in 2019, he plays the role of the "Hawaiian Guy" in a film and way back in 1987, Maury wrote the following in "The Ultimate Evil":
"The counselor said that Rudy was "either a Tex-Mex or Hawaiian guy who used to pick up work as an extra or a driver in films or TV shows from time to time."
You can't make this stuff up!
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Post by justiceseeker on May 9, 2021 15:03:08 GMT -6
So perhaps I was too harsh on Josh Zeman...there is some new information...you just have to decipher it yourself.
Anybody find it interesting that Carl Vergari got married in North Dakota?
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Post by justiceseeker on May 9, 2021 15:35:33 GMT -6
Hey,talking stunts and extra parts in movies.1981,Fort Apache the Bronx(stunts).1982 Amityville Horror II,bit part-gardener.1984,Exterminator 2,bit part-gang member.1998 ,Toy R Us commercial,as the friendly Samoan orderly.2019,Catching Up,part,the Hawaiian guy.More stuntwork roles and small acting roles.Rudy C. Jones.Imdb. Interesting that he's another aspiring photographer/filmmaker with connections to the pretentious, "progressive learning"/art world as well as Hollywood... His Twitter shows all the rampant liberalism one might expect from one of that ilk.
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Post by ace on May 9, 2021 15:52:15 GMT -6
I have a candidate for "Grant's"
I can't say for sure how long it has been there, but it's close to Columbia. They don't appear to have a website, or at least I can't find one. After a few episodes of "Hotel Impossible" this is no surprise, lol.
Looks like it only became the Grant Hotel around 2005-2006 time frame.
Some internet searches and old TripAdvisor reviews are indicating it was the Woogo Devon Hotel prior and changed to the Grant Hotel around that period.
Ah, good catch on the reviews.
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Post by justiceseeker on May 9, 2021 16:50:52 GMT -6
"Grants" versus "Grant's" can definitely lead down different avenues. Maury's penchant for not being uniform in his assignment of pseudonyms is frustrating...sometimes he barely conceals them and purposely keeps them alliterative, sometimes not. On at least one occasion he's swapped a first name and last name, or variations thereof. And "Vinny"s codenames are no better...that said...given "Vinny" says "Camaro" is not the Sisman and Radin associates name, but it's "something close to that", I think it's possible "Camaro" does not reference a last name, but a first. Take a look at Episode 3 just past the 40 minute mark, after Michael Zuckerman is done speaking...there's something interesting in the readable portion of the notes shown...or NOT. Or maybe...I'm just reading too much into things and "James Camaro" is Jimmy Caan. Hey Justice, any chance you can pull netflix up on a computer and take a screenshot? I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing. I'll see if I can get that done. For now, I'll say this...my somewhat outside the box thinking in regard to Maury's "pseudonym-assignment" habits has led me to...surprise, surprise...ANOTHER photographer who in the 1970s had a penchant for taking photos of children and teens on the streets of NY, seemingly without parental consent in many cases, had connections to the same art-world types that have been mentioned previously, connections to Columbia, and in pursuing his photography work has visited several cities across the US often mentioned as associated with "Satanic" incidences...oh...and in the 1970s looked remarkably like that one sketch some think has a resemblence to Rodney Alcala. And lastly...has stated he had an interest in death, urban decay, and its effects on people from a sociological aspect.
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Post by mike23 on May 9, 2021 18:19:06 GMT -6
Thanx Omega,It felt great to put some clues together and find Rudy C. Jones.I feel pretty confident in this based on the roles and stuntman work hes had.It was funny what I got with "Rudy, Hawaiian stuntman".Loved sharing,no agenda here.
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