First post here--I've been poring over this forum for the past week and still have a lot to catch up on. Though I've known about this crime for a long time, nearly every article/forum post/whatever I've read buys into the Marty & Bo theory. It wasn't until stumbling onto this forum that I even realized not everyone believes that narrative. So first of all, thanks for all the nuances discussion and for being open to possibilities. The posts I've read here have been enlightening.
Since it was touched on earlier in this thread, I have a question: After all my reading, I'm still not sure where the two hammers came into play. A hammer was found at the crime scene, but was there evidence that there was a secondary, missing hammer from the start? Have people been on the lookout for a missing hammer for the past 40 years? Or when the pond hammer was discovered, was it connected to the murders at random? (Sorry if this has been discussed before--like I said, I'm trying to get caught up on so much.)
Hi aeris825!! Welcome & thanks for joining us! I personally feel that more people question the prevailing theory but just don't want to go against Dmac, since he basically took over the case. That's why no one is on his forum anymore. Just people hoping he will drop some good information. And I don't think many people know about this forum, I wish they did.
Regarding the hammer, Dmac is the one who decided 2 hammers were used. I would guess this was around 2011. He was reviewing the autopsy reports and deducted 2 hammers were used & Marty's "missing hammer" was another murder weapon. And that the Pathologist did a "botched job" on the autopsies.
So up until this point no one was looking for a hammer. For 30+ years LE & the public were aware the hammer used in the murders was left at the scene. Then Dmac started the speculation regarding a second hammer.
The hammer was recovered from the pond when someone local reached out to Dmac via his forum. He had found the hammer while metal detecting at the pond, looking for a missing wedding ring. He found the hammer & tossed it back in. Some point afterwards he realized the hammer may have some significance & contacted Dmac. Dmac got the metal dectorist in touch with Gamberg and they went to the pond to retrieve the hammer. From what we've heard about the Keddie pond, it is a very small pond that sometimes I'd dried up and sometimes has water.
As far as we are aware PCSO have not had the autopsy results re-examined by another Pathologist, to determine if one or two hammers were used. The original Pathologist never said there were 2 hammers.
Please feel free to ask all any questions or thoughts you may have! We would love to hear them. There is so much more to this case! Thanks again for joining : )
So... I can't help but be very wary of the two hammers. Why leave one hammer at the scene but take another? It's not like a hammer could be slipped into your pocket and forgotten about. And I'm even more wary of someone finding a second hammer and contacting dmac instead of the police. I think this is what bothers me most about the recent things I've read about the case: Someone throws out a random bit of info that may be completely off base, yet other people/the media latch onto it and now it's part of the accepted narrative. I mean, I've read serious news articles that make this pond hammer seem like a HUGE break and it's beyond frustrating to know there might not have been a second hammer in the first place. (Feel free to roll your eyes at me being frustrated by this when almost certainly people on this forum have been feeling the same way for YEARS.)
Thank you for being so welcoming! It's hard to jump in when I feel like I still only know a tiny percent of the available info, so I appreciate the patience!
I completely agree with everything you said aeris! Its frustrating because Dmacs forum is the main site, so anyone interested in doing a podcast or write up about Keddie visits keddie 28 and then that info gets passed around. But people can only read so much on his forum we without being a full member. They are basically only able to see his take on everything. I feel the same way you do, the hammer may have nothing to do with the murders, but as far as the mainstream /public is aware it was a major find.
Also, the 3 part anniversary article ran in the Feather River Bulletin a few years ago, that was written by Victoria Metzger and her source was Dmac. Her article is literally his theory. She lives in the area, so it is rather disappointing a journalist couldnt do her own research or ask questions others haven't. Just the same old same old.
I have no idea who committed these murders but do know there is no physical evidence tying MMB to it. With today's technology I find it hard to believe they can't use DNA. All they have is a bunch of circumstantial "evidence", questionable statements and things twisted to fit the MMB theory. Yet none of their DNA has been found in the cabin. PCSO have their DNA on file for comparison. I have a million questions myself. I had also been looking into the case for years but only recently, within the past year, started posting.
There are a lot of good, nice people here who also just want the truth. And I know I can speak for everyone in saying we are glad you found your way here and hope you continue to "keep digging" : ) Any questions or thoughts you may have can only help us get to the bottom of things. Any discussion is good discussion!!
Anyone here Buzzfeed Unsolved fans? I personally love Shane & Ryan. They crack me up. It's one of the few YouTube channels I look forward to new videos from.
A few years ago they did an episode on Keddie. Unfortunately, it was the same old same old misinformation that gets repeated so often (the 911 call led to the discovery of Tina, the love letter, etc.). But it's still worth a watch because they actually visit Keddie which is cool to see. Their chemistry & humor was still there, while keeping things respectful. And they pronounced Bo Boubede as "Bo Bo Betty" 🤣.
Here is a link to the video:
And, if anyone is ever bored, I came across this creative writing piece about Shane, Ryan, Keddie & other people well known to the investigation. It was written by a Buzzfeed Unsolved fan & was honestly very good. Very entertaining & worth a read! I definitely enjoyed it & its surprise ending lol.
Portola Reporter 2006, April 12 : Corey Huggins: Says John sharp was her first date, a movie, and John gave her a necklace
Officer Decrona: States he was misquoted years before, leading to a theory the victims had endured hours of abuse. In reality, he believes it could have taken as little as 10 mins, and as long as 30 mins.
Decrona claims to have eaten at the lodge on the night of the 11th(?) with parents and fiancée.
“Those boys, Greg Sharp 5, Ricky Sharp 10, and a neighbor boy identified by DeCrona as Justin Smart, did see and hear something”.
ok my bad. I thought it was "Mountain Blue" (Clyne) who had clippings of sue and said she deserved to die. But it was in fact Wayne Faccou as one of you pointed out. The part I reversed was Wayne was the man living in the wild for years who eventually built a shanty cabin outside of Keddie. While Clyne had stayed in a cabin near the hobo camp at one point. Anyway finally found the article I was looking for, I had the subscription at the time. Here's the link. Edit, omg< I still have subscription And I cant upload because the files to big. Hope this works from Feather River Bulletin dated may 15, 1985 www.newspapers.com/image/162047929/
Text from an earlier article Feather River Bulletin, Volume 113, Number 37, 19 April 1979 — Page 13
Despite his small home,no winter cabin fever Feather River Bulletin Thursday, April 19, 1979
With the return of winter-like snowstorms this week, many of us were reminded of the "cabin fever" we thought we'd thrown off for this year. Few of us, however, really spent the winter in cabins. Wayne Faccou did. Faccou cane to the Feather River Canyon area in May with only a backpack, a fishing pole and a gold pan. He spent four months camping along the river neat Tobin, Belden, and Twain and keddie. When the snow began to fall, he built an emergency shelter along side the river from wood he had salvaged. "I finished my shelter the second week in December. That same night the snow really began to fall," he said. The shelter is only 6'x8'. There is just enough room inside to hold a platform bed, two shelves, and a grease drum stove. He built the stove himself from parts he found at the site of an old train derailment. On the shelves are Wayne's few personal belongings, a two-burner Coleman stove and a small, potted live . Christmas tree still hung with a few balls and some strands of foil. "I managed to get though the winter pretty comfortably," Wayne said, "I won't say I wasn't worried at times. The only time it was really cold, was during the month of January when Spanish Creek froze. It was down to six degrees at dawn and temperatures prevailed in the 6-10 degree range for about a week. I was never really cold inside. I did get frostbite from trekking in the snow for groceries." During this coldest month of the year, Wayne's dog presented him with eight pointer-shepherd cross pups. Room was made for the new family under Wayne's bed and the tiny shelter has been a home for 10 for the last three months. Why did he do it? "I wanted to get out of the city," said Wayne who came here from southern California. "I like to get up in the morning and stand in the sun by the river." Wayne said that he might make Quincy his home. "Most of the people I've met here are beautiful people," he said, "I'm not sure yet, it's too early in the year for me to decide yet." He plans to leave his little cabin as soon as he can count on good weather again and move on to the Squirrel Creek area.
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Too funny, you still have your newspaper account! I do stuff like that all the time lol. I also noticed anything saved from newspapers.com is too large to upload here. You can compress the image via imagecompressor.com/ but it is an extra annoying step.
So, someone claimed Wayne Faccou had newspaper articles & said Sue deserved to die. He said the articles were to help find Tina. He seems harmless enough, I suppose,just a man living off the grid. But why would someone claim he said that about Sue? And Wayne's PON entry said he was kicked out of the Backdoor Bar that Friday night by Jan Albin. What was he doing to deserve to be kicked out?
And that statement gives the impression Hawkenson & his sister believed Mountain Blue set the fire to Hawkensons house after an argument?
Feather_River_Bulletin_Thu__May_28__1970_Ph....pdf (273.31 KB)I was hoping this would show as the article. And I thought I posted about this before? if so I'll take down. This article refers to the .10 toll being removed from quincy to keddie and vice versa. The keddie residents were issued new phone numbers.