|
Post by hope on Apr 12, 2021 12:28:52 GMT -6
The strange story of Phillip Postby jhancock » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:09 pm
Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II covers two confessions to the homicides: one in which the confessor provided accurate details, time frames and motive; and another in which the confessor provided almost no details at all. However, these weren't the only suspicious people connected to the Keddie Murders. One of these people that the documentary does not cover is a young man named Phillip.
The following documents describe Phillip's connection to the Keddie Murders:
Document One:
4-13-81. I contacted Joel F.H. who works for Sierra Center Liquors. Joel said he had been working at the liquor store around noon on 4-12-81 and had see a young Indian male in front of the store, and he had been naming the people that had been killed. That had been some two to three hours before he had heard anything about it on the radio, and thought it strange. The subject was ID'd later as Phillip, when I contacted the store owner, Keith N.
Document Two:
On April 29th, 1981, I was working as a radio dispatcher. At approximately 1410 hours I monitored a conversation between Phillip and his mother, who was visiting him. Due to radio transmissions and phone calls, I did not hear the entire conversation. I heard Phillip tell his mother than he was in the house when it happened. His mother said, "Phillip, you're hallucinating, you were in church that night." Phillip said when he left the church he went there with Marty Smartt and two other guys. He spoke of Tina being there. He said, "Someone asked me to hand him the scissors and I did." Phillip said, "Maybe I should be hypnotized," and his mother replied, "No, don't do that." Phillip said that afterward he ran to the Back Door Bar and tried to tell someone who was coming out the door, then he just ran.
Document Three:
On 5-1-81, Phillip was interviewed at the sheriff's office.
On 4-11-81 Phllip was at Feather River College, in a fairly intoxicated state. About 2100 hrs Wade M. gave him a ride to the Methodist Church. After being there for an undetermined time, he decided to go to the Exxon Mini-Mart. While at Exxon he met up with Johnny and Dana. They were getting a ride from three people in a pick-up. The pick-up was described as between a 1954 and 1957 Chev., dark green with something similar to a roll bar in the back. He said one of the men was named Marty Smartt, and lived at the end of the road in Keddie. He owns a small red station wagon (this matches the description of Marty Smartt). Phillip did not know the other two men. After arriving in Keddie, Phillip said that while looking through a window of the Sharp residence he saw Johnny get his throat cut, Dana get hit over the head with a hammer, and Sue being choaked [sic]. Phillip said that at one point he ran to the Keddie Back Door Bar where he saw a man that was locking up the bar. He tried to tell the man what was happening. The man got into a blue car that looked like a Mercedes, and drove away. Phillip returned to the Sharp residence to try to help Tina. At one time he was hiding under the house and he scratched the license number from the pick-up onto the hot water heater. Phillip told of a long fight that ended up at Ganser Airport, where he got away. The three men still had Tina.
On 5-1-81, Sgt. Stoy checked the hot water heater under the Sharp residence. No license number was scratched on it.
On 5-4-81 I telephone Jack B., who locked up the Back Door Bar on the night of 4-11-81. He said no one tried to talk to him as he was leaving the bar. Jack said he might have been driving a bluish silver Mercedes on the night of 4-11-81. He drives a lot of different cars, and was trying to sell a Mercedes around 4-11-81. He said he would check his records to see if he could determine when he was driving the Mercedes.
Document Four:
Interview: Trisha D.P. 5/19/81. I contacted Trisha at Quincy High School regarding her friendship and possible knowledge of Dana Wingate. Joey C. had told me that Dana had dated Trisha. Trisha told me that she had gone out with Dana for about two weeks last September, but she didn't know if he was involved with drugs. Trisha said she never knew Dana to get into fights. I asked Trisha about Phillip and she said he used to come to her house and she did not like him. Trisha said that Phillip could be mean when he was drunk which was most of the time. Trisha also said that Phillip did not like Dana because Dana was taking out Trisha. Trisha did say that rumors said Tina hated her mom. She did not have much information at all.
The strange story of Phillip Postby jhancock » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:09 pm
Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II covers two confessions to the homicides: one in which the confessor provided accurate details, time frames and motive; and another in which the confessor provided almost no details at all. However, these weren't the only suspicious people connected to the Keddie Murders. One of these people that the documentary does not cover is a young man named Phillip.
The following documents describe Phillip's connection to the Keddie Murders:
Document One:
4-13-81. I contacted Joel F.H. who works for Sierra Center Liquors. Joel said he had been working at the liquor store around noon on 4-12-81 and had see a young Indian male in front of the store, and he had been naming the people that had been killed. That had been some two to three hours before he had heard anything about it on the radio, and thought it strange. The subject was ID'd later as Phillip, when I contacted the store owner, Keith N.
Document Two:
On April 29th, 1981, I was working as a radio dispatcher. At approximately 1410 hours I monitored a conversation between Phillip and his mother, who was visiting him. Due to radio transmissions and phone calls, I did not hear the entire conversation. I heard Phillip tell his mother than he was in the house when it happened. His mother said, "Phillip, you're hallucinating, you were in church that night." Phillip said when he left the church he went there with Marty Smartt and two other guys. He spoke of Tina being there. He said, "Someone asked me to hand him the scissors and I did." Phillip said, "Maybe I should be hypnotized," and his mother replied, "No, don't do that." Phillip said that afterward he ran to the Back Door Bar and tried to tell someone who was coming out the door, then he just ran.
Document Three:
On 5-1-81, Phillip was interviewed at the sheriff's office.
On 4-11-81 Phllip was at Feather River College, in a fairly intoxicated state. About 2100 hrs Wade M. gave him a ride to the Methodist Church. After being there for an undetermined time, he decided to go to the Exxon Mini-Mart. While at Exxon he met up with Johnny and Dana. They were getting a ride from three people in a pick-up. The pick-up was described as between a 1954 and 1957 Chev., dark green with something similar to a roll bar in the back. He said one of the men was named Marty Smartt, and lived at the end of the road in Keddie. He owns a small red station wagon (this matches the description of Marty Smartt). Phillip did not know the other two men. After arriving in Keddie, Phillip said that while looking through a window of the Sharp residence he saw Johnny get his throat cut, Dana get hit over the head with a hammer, and Sue being choaked [sic]. Phillip said that at one point he ran to the Keddie Back Door Bar where he saw a man that was locking up the bar. He tried to tell the man what was happening. The man got into a blue car that looked like a Mercedes, and drove away. Phillip returned to the Sharp residence to try to help Tina. At one time he was hiding under the house and he scratched the license number from the pick-up onto the hot water heater. Phillip told of a long fight that ended up at Ganser Airport, where he got away. The three men still had Tina.
On 5-1-81, Sgt. Stoy checked the hot water heater under the Sharp residence. No license number was scratched on it.
On 5-4-81 I telephone Jack B., who locked up the Back Door Bar on the night of 4-11-81. He said no one tried to talk to him as he was leaving the bar. Jack said he might have been driving a bluish silver Mercedes on the night of 4-11-81. He drives a lot of different cars, and was trying to sell a Mercedes around 4-11-81. He said he would check his records to see if he could determine when he was driving the Mercedes.
Document Four:
Interview: Trisha D.P. 5/19/81. I contacted Trisha at Quincy High School regarding her friendship and possible knowledge of Dana Wingate. Joey C. had told me that Dana had dated Trisha. Trisha told me that she had gone out with Dana for about two weeks last September, but she didn't know if he was involved with drugs. Trisha said she never knew Dana to get into fights. I asked Trisha about Phillip and she said he used to come to her house and she did not like him. Trisha said that Phillip could be mean when he was drunk which was most of the time. Trisha also said that Phillip did not like Dana because Dana was taking out Trisha. Trisha did say that rumors said Tina hated her mom. She did not have much information at all
|
|
|
Post by hope on Apr 12, 2021 12:44:42 GMT -6
More to "The Strange Story of Phillip", this post was made to a Keddie forum in 2016.
|
|
|
Post by hope on Apr 12, 2021 13:20:40 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on May 7, 2021 21:29:40 GMT -6
What if Philip was in the house that night? could that explain a 2 motive killing? There's the killer(s) who were ripped off by the boys. Killers who picked up a drunk rapist on the way. Philip could very well have known the girls all slept in the one room. What if while the boys are being "interogated" Philip decides to take advantage of the situation. He wanders off, wakes up Sue and the situation just went from 0to60 in 2.4.
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on May 7, 2021 21:59:21 GMT -6
Also, someone transferred blood to both bedrooms. Someone in that living room went to the back bedroom, why? Maybe because sue was approached, brought out, and didn't come out of her own volition
|
|
|
Post by hope on Jun 18, 2021 17:52:38 GMT -6
Originally posted by kmik: "This is the old post that Meanie wrote on Dmac's forum similar to the one she wrote on her own forum in 2016:
(I'm having to type it out so any typo's are probably mine)"
|
|
|
Post by hope on Jun 18, 2021 17:54:22 GMT -6
I wanted to bump the previous post/statement regarding Phillip up. Just reread it for the first time since kmik posted and I feel there is a lot of significant information there.
Phillip passed away in 2001, before Josh began filming the documentaries and the interest in the case was reignited. Therefore, he never had the chance to be interviewed or learn inside info that way. We've all read all of the newspapers articles from 1981-2001, the things Phillip supposedly said were never released in any of the newspaper articles or media reports. So where did Phillip learn this information? Information that was held back by LE. Things the general public wasn't aware of. The most obvious answer is because he was there or told the information by someone who was there. Whether true or not it is at the very least a possibility and should not be dismissed.
Also, what purpose would somebody, who was obviously familiar/friendly with Phillip or his family have to tell such a story? Taking the attention away from Marty & Bo and onto Phillip? A friend would have absolutely no reason to do this, other than to tell a story, as told by Phillip, that they believed to be true.
Let's see everything Phillip seemed to know that nobody else did:
• The lightbulb was unscrewed • A pellet gun was involved • The scissors • He mentions being parked at the general store and there was physical, bloody, evidence found in the dumpster at the general store • Exxon. Of all places he says that's where he met up with J&D and caught this ride. J&D were at the exxon a lot that night. • The correct type of car the bartender was driving (blue Mercedes)
The statement says Phillip didn't want to go because he didn't like Dana. This is confirmed by Trish P in her statement.
He mentions two cars. Lots of people mentioned two vehicles in their statements. People who appear to know more than they let on.
He says these guys were out looking for the boys/waiting for them to get home. Thinking they could get back what they wanted with threats. We've already discussed how it appeared as if J&D were being "interrogated" or someone was looking for something. How it looks like something started in that cabin that got out of hand. Dana told (Rumsey?) that some guys were after him. Rumors of drug ripoffs. The two guys knocking on the door of #28 at FRC that night, looking for"JR". That's quite a coincidence. The two, supposedly unkown,"weird types" from Oroville showing up at Compton's party. It has felt like someone was out looking for the boys. Spang's story. The "who is this?" phone call Sue supposedly received.
Supposedly, these perpetrators weren't too worried about Phillip because they knew he could easily be discredited. That's exactly what happened. What he claimed could be explained away by saying "Can't believe him, he's crazy & drinks too much".
The fact he would become emotional & tell this story for the rest of his life. There is no reason for this if he was lying and making things up. It sounds as if he had some real emotions & guilt.
And yes, I can definitely see someone with a drinking problem passing out then deciding to leave when they woke up. Whether it was get a drink like he said, get some fresh air, go for a walk, whatever. He was in a church at night time, what else was he going to lo!?
I also believe it is possible he walked from the church to the Exxon. It's not that far, especially for a younger person. We walked distances like that through our neighborhoods when we were younger, almost everynight.
Nina M appeared to want to keep Phillip, the fact he was family and his story a complete secret. Despite the fact she had no problem talking about everything else she had heard or "knew".
Marty told LE, on 4/16/81(?), that he had heard Phillip was in Keddie that night. That he learned this from the Meeks boys. Sounds like they were openly discussing things with each other...until they realized the significance of Phillip being in Keddie that night.
Richard sure seemed to know a lot, or act like he knew a lot. He may have heard things from Justin (although it appears the boys clammed up until Justin reported his "dream" to DT). Or he could have learned things from Phillip. What does the cropped off bottom section of Stoys 4-29-81 report say?? Why crop it at all? I think we all know. It says something about Richard. Finding the scissors apparently made Stoy reach out to Richard, most likely about the story of Phillip being in Keddie that night.
Phillip mentioning being at the cabin & "handing the scissors" was something he told to his mom. It's reasonable to assume that he didn't expect anyone else to hear that information. He didnt know the conversation was being listened in on. He told his mom he was considering going to LE and she told him not to. She told him "you were at the church that night". Sure he got dropped off at the church, no way for her to know if he stayed there.
The radio dispatcher told LE the conversation he'd overheard & Phillip was contacted. Phillip didn't say "I was just hallucinating." Instead, he asked for a lawyer who in return told LE Phillip was a witness & would talk if promised immunity. But then what? We know he was 5150'd at some point. But what happened after the lawyer asked for immunity? Did it fall through and nothing more said? Did they agree & check out his story? Was he 5150'd & gone from the area before anything could be agreed upon/discussed? So many questions.
I don't know what to make of every bit of Phillip's story. It's understandable he may have changed, diminished, or exaggerated parts of it. Whether to distance himself, deal with his guilt, to make people believe he tried to save Tina, etc. If people find it believable that 2 or 3 young boys could have been forced to participate & "get dirty" to buy their silence, then it's also a possibilty Phillip could have been done to Phillip. And regardless, these questionable parts of his story are minor things in comparison to the unreleased facts he did know.
Some of the many questions I have: • Were Phillip's prints really found at the scene? Does anyone else remember an old report discussing prints from the scene being identified but belonging to people confirmed to have been in the cabin prior to the murders? • Where did xxx bartender pick J&D up & what type of vehicle did she drive? Was it one of the vehicles spotted in Keddie that night? Did she drive a truck? Lots of truck sightings. • Who could fit the description of 1 perpetrator J&D's age + 3 adults? • Anyone that would also be familiar with Feather Falls, Camp Eighteen? • Anyone reported as being in Keddie earlier? When the lightbulb was supposedly unscrewed. • Who talked Phillip into coming along, Johnny & Dana or the "two men" • What exactly was Oakland Feather River Camp, in 1981? April 1981. Was it basically a campground? At least in the spring time? You would think the family & children's activities would be held during summer months. Would it have been remote & unpopulated area, somewhere the perps would go while they considered what to do next? • What was Phillip's behavior like before & after the murders? Was there a drastic change?
What are your guys thoughts on all of this?
EDIT TO ADD: People can argue that he learned inside info from the Meeks, however, I dont feel this is the case. Nina had no problem blabbing about things on the forums & documentaries. But she wasn't saying the same things Phillip said, information that turns out to be true. In fact, she actually told incorrect info about the crime scene. Off the top of my head, she said Dana was found in the kitchen, Marty's print was on the glass.
The way I see it, if she was the one who had told Phillip about the lightbulb being unscrewed then she probably would have told it on the documentary/forum when she was blabbing away. She could have easily said Marty unscrewed the bulb before the murders. It would have 100% been believed & would have matched the facts. It's a believable story since Marty lived right down the road and was back & forth to the bar that night. It would have explained the lightbulb being unscrewed and made Sheila's print unimportant. If she & Sheila were truly "co-conspirators" then I think they would have covered this base in their "tunabi" (🤮). But they didn't. Nope. Phillip knew these details some other way. And, Nina's behavior makes it apparent she at the very least believed Phillip really was in Keddie that night.
|
|
getem
Junior Member

Posts: 57
|
Post by getem on Jun 18, 2021 18:42:08 GMT -6
Great info/questions, Hope. Where did your previous post/quote (Hello D & thanks) come from? Sorry if it's obvious and I missed it.
|
|
|
Post by hope on Jun 18, 2021 18:54:33 GMT -6
Sorry, I should have added that, will edit it. It was a post a member made on keddie28 a few years ago. Kmik had it saved and posted it here:
Meanie spoke to someone about Phillip. There is another old post of hers discussing these conversations. Let me find and add that as well.
This one was posted on Meanie's forum:
|
|
|
Post by hope on Jun 18, 2021 21:45:55 GMT -6
A couple things to add to the above (already super long) post. The pellet gun. Phillip mentioned a pellet gun being used. The weapon thought to have been brought by the killers & removed from the scene. No one knew a pellet gun was involved. This fact wasn't known until Josh created the old forum and info about the gun was discovered in the case files. And if I remember correctly, finding out a gun was involved was kind of a big deal because it was one of those details LE chose to hold back, no one knew of its existence previously. This is a quote from a Sacramento Bee article published on May 6, 1981. Sure sounds like Doug Thomas is referring to the broken sight ramp found at the scene.  One could say the pellet gun information came from Justin. However, Justin was specifically asked about the use of a gun by Doug Thomas and said he did not see a gun. From Justin's Hypnosis Session with Doug Thomas on (date?) (Also wtf happened to page 21!?!?) And does anyone know anymore info about these truck mentions from the timelines/PON? And seriously, wtf happened to page 21 of Justin's hypnosis session removed and never published with the other pages, or afterwards? What information did that specific page contain?
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on Jun 19, 2021 20:03:03 GMT -6
Nicely laid out, I think philip has a guilty conscience. And I believe he probably minimized his involvement to himself and others. Telling it how he'd preferred it had happened made it less real.
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on Jun 19, 2021 20:12:57 GMT -6
I also found philip getting 5150'd suspect. Makes him worthless as a witness. Could have also made him harder to prosecute for the attempted rape. Same could be said for murder, plus he couldn't testify against any other suspects.
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on Jun 19, 2021 20:21:45 GMT -6
"The two guys knocking on the door of #28 at FRC that night, looking for"JR". That's quite a coincidence. The two, supposedly unkown,"weird types" from Oroville showing up at Compton's party. It has felt like someone was out looking for the boys. Spang's story. The "who is this?" phone call Sue supposedly received." Excellent points!
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on Jun 23, 2021 16:11:02 GMT -6
"All three were sitting at a table in the dance floor area of the bar. POI got up from the table and walked into the front part of the bar. Marilyn didn't see him for 1/2 to 3/4 of an hour." Marilyns statement. She found him at another part of the bar. Not covered in blood but.....enough time he could have been seen by Philip around the time the boys returned. Neither Bo or anyone else seems to confirm so who knows? But if Marilyn stated POI was mia for close to an hour the cops followed up on it I'd bet
|
|
|
Post by kmik on Jun 23, 2021 18:26:24 GMT -6
Me too Snoho but I bet the other side of that story will not be shown.
|
|