Jon
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Post by Jon on May 5, 2021 16:22:18 GMT -6
So he didn't address the identities of the folks in the photographs, eh? I hate to repeat myself, but I knew something didn't smell right when I read Zeman's new intro to "The Ultimate Evil." I don't know what his motivations were, but sadly a lot of people will watch the documentary and interpret it as the final word on the case. I'm so glad that Manny is providing an antidote to Zeman's narrative.
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Post by ace on May 5, 2021 16:56:01 GMT -6
So he didn't address the identities of the folks in the photographs, eh? I hate to repeat myself, but I knew something didn't smell right when I read Zeman's new intro to "The Ultimate Evil." I don't know what his motivations were, but sadly a lot of people will watch the documentary and interpret it as the final word on the case. I'm so glad that Manny is providing an antidote to Zeman's narrative. One may have been inadvertently named, but it's hard to tell for sure. See "John Weiland" in detective report below.
Also included are more flowcharts.
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Post by mike23 on May 5, 2021 17:34:38 GMT -6
Pretty sure,the "Mickey",next to Radins' name in the third pic above is Mickey Deans,or Mickey Devinko,Radins'top aide in his "empire" of entertainment.He is rumored to have been in the vw microbus with Sisman and one other the night of the Moskowitz slaying.Married to Judy Garland for half- a- minute.Moved in the elite NYC gay scene ,big into drug scene.Probably ,the 22 disciples drug connection.Died early 2000s in ohio.
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Post by marionumber1 on May 5, 2021 17:35:08 GMT -6
I see that a Wendy (with her surname mentioned) is part of the list of women in the Son of Sam group. Might that happen to be "Big Breasted Wendy", the witch known to frequent the Magickal Childe shop in NYC whom Maury initially suspected was Carl Denaro's shooter?
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Post by Omega on May 5, 2021 17:55:03 GMT -6
One of those connections reads, "'CBS' people at party". Another further screen shot shows: "Female CBS "Producer" in film w/ J.C. (porno)"
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Post by gv889 on May 5, 2021 18:02:22 GMT -6
I think Josh Zeman's reasoning for making this documentary was to spur new interest in this case and get a new generation of true crime buff's to pick up a copy of Ultimate Evil and see if they are as hungry as we are. Will they read this book and develop a passion to find out the identities of the people who murdered Stacey Moskowitz & Virginia Voskerichian and a host of others? Lets hope so! Thank goodness we have Manny Grossman & John Mitchell and don't forget about Jess too!
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Post by mike23 on May 5, 2021 18:20:50 GMT -6
That CBS producer, was reportedly with James Camaro.Do you guys think hes Rodney Alcala?makes sense to me timeline wise in his background ,He hits NYC in 1977,Hoover girl murdered,buried in Westchester on Rockefeller estate.He was taking film classes at Columbia,some strange murders there in that time frame.He had all those photos he took as a "photographer",some of those women still haven't been identified makes you wonder.Call girl operation Barnard ,Camaro may have been quite busy here on the east coast.So who's the producer?
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Post by gv889 on May 5, 2021 18:40:22 GMT -6
Alcala was locked up in 1979, wasn't Camaro doing his thing in or about 1981-82?
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Post by ace on May 5, 2021 18:51:07 GMT -6
One of those connections reads, "'CBS' people at party". Another further screen shot shows: "Female CBS "Producer" in film w/ J.C. (porno)"
Snuff film or no snuff film, Sisman sounds like he was sitting on a lot of blackmail material period.
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Post by gv889 on May 5, 2021 18:57:58 GMT -6
Did Alcala have any links to the Process?
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Post by Omega on May 5, 2021 19:05:00 GMT -6
Here is my take on the Netflix series "The Sons of Sam: A Descent Into Darkness"
I tried not to put in any spoilers for those who intend to see it, but I am putting it in a PDF attachment so people can read it whenever they wish, without revealing anything before they see the series:
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Post by marionumber1 on May 5, 2021 19:07:48 GMT -6
That CBS producer, was reportedly with James Camaro.Do you guys think hes Rodney Alcala?makes sense to me timeline wise in his background ,He hits NYC in 1977,Hoover girl murdered,buried in Westchester on Rockefeller estate.He was taking film classes at Columbia,some strange murders there in that time frame.He had all those photos he took as a "photographer",some of those women still haven't been identified makes you wonder.Call girl operation Barnard ,Camaro may have been quite busy here on the east coast.So who's the producer? Always felt there was a possibility that Rodney Alcala could be in the Son of Sam mix.
Ellen Hover went missing in New York City on July 13, 1977, two plus weeks before the Moskowitz/Violante shootings in Brooklyn. Alcala was eventually convicted of murdering Hover. That means he was in New York City at the time, right before Moskowitz/Violante.
Alcala used the name "JOHN Berger" when he was at the NYU Film School (studying under Polanski, no less!).
He was also convicted of raping young girls.
I know John Carr is always affiliated with the line "John Wheaties - Rapist and Suffocator of young girls" in the Son of Sam letter, but here we have Alcala, in NYC two weeks before one of the most pivotal shootings/murder in the Son of Sam case, eventually found guilty of murdering Ellen Hover in NYC in July 1977, as well as being a rapist of young girls with the alias name of "JOHN"
Food for thought
This has been posted in the past on these here boards:
I've felt the same way about Alcala for a long time. And while many people here are understandably fatigued with pursuing connections all the way to California, here we at least have someone who plausibly can be placed in both milieus at the right times. One thought that even occurred to me a while back is that if Manson II really did exist, what if it was Alcala? He seems to fit the bill as far as coming from LA, and being in a position to inhabit the Hollywood social scene: a co-worker of his at the Los Angeles Times indicated that Alcala seemed like he knew a lot of celebrities. Other things, though, don't seem to fit, like involvement with Arlis Perry's murder (I believe Alcala had violated his parole and was incarcerated then; plus he is clearly not the sandy-haired man, though a multi-person operation is possible if not highly likely) and shooting Christine Freund (he doesn't seem to match the description at all). The overall idea of Manson II is one of the more questionable parts of Maury's entire narrative, but if there was to be a killer in the group who had those kinds of connections, Alcala would be one of my first suspects.
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Jon
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Post by Jon on May 5, 2021 20:21:09 GMT -6
Ace and Omega--very interesting screenshots! (GM Joe is especially tantalizing.) Thanks for those. I've only seen the first episode so far.
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Post by Jon on May 5, 2021 20:22:16 GMT -6
Thank goodness we have Manny Grossman & John Mitchell and don't forget about Jess too! Absolutely. Jess is the world's greatest SoS researcher!
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Post by ace on May 5, 2021 20:59:56 GMT -6
Ace and Omega--very interesting screenshots! (GM Joe is especially tantalizing.) Thanks for those. I've only seen the first episode so far. No problem!
GM Joe...wasn't there an auto executive with ties to the cult?
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