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Post by ace on Apr 20, 2021 23:22:35 GMT -6
Hey,guys new here and glad to be able to discuss the case.Just wanted to chime in on the list posted above.I've always thought the shooting of 13 yearold Natalie Gallace,in Nov.of 1977 on palmer ave,was one of the saddest incidents in the whole case.Of course all the deaths and shootings were tragic,but this girl lost her life simply because she was standing in a kitchen with Sue Levy.The female members of the group have always been in the shadows.I could say more but I'll just mention a fact that unless you're from New Rochelle or southern Westchester this may have been missed.In the late 1990s into the early 2000s,Sue owned a bar near Iona college.The name-KETCH-22.Interesting name choice,dont ya think?Well that's all for now,you guys know your stuff,love reading this board. Damn. Don't be a stranger.
Heh, Berkowitz is the top story on that page as well.
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Post by Omega on Apr 21, 2021 6:38:24 GMT -6
Hey,guys new here and glad to be able to discuss the case.
Welcome to the boards Mike!
The more I think I know about "The Ultimate Evil" story and its cast of characters, the less I know about it when I see a post and info posted like yours!
I've seen these names in "The Ultimate Evil" and passed by them on other Son of Sam-related sites throughout the years, but never stopped to research into them further.
When a post, like yours, pops up and gives more background about a person or place in the story, I pull out the old online edition of "The Ultimate Evil", see where the story relates and then dive down the Google Rabbit Hole search! One thing leads to another and then things become clearer. Thank you!
I know I "knock" Maury, every now and then here, for going too far with expanding the scope of the "Sam" story (i.e. Manson, Process, etc.) but, the one thing a post like yours reminds me of, is the OUTSTANDING research that Maury did on the local, New York connections of the SOS case. I know the story sounds interesting (and maybe way too good to be true!) when you add things like the Mansons (I and II) to the mix, but the information that Maury relayed on the NY background and players was incredible!
New Rochelle is definitely an intriguing part of the SOS case and probably secondary in importance to the case and it's connections, outside of Yonkers. Please share more great info here, if you have it!
Maybe Josh Z. is right and I need to go back and re-read "The Ultimate Evil" again, before proceeding forward, when I see information, like yours, presented.
Again, welcome!
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Post by ace on Apr 21, 2021 10:03:08 GMT -6
but this girl lost her life simply because she was standing in a kitchen with Sue Levy. Any idea as to motive? Was Sue the intended target or was Natalie? |
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Post by ace on Apr 21, 2021 10:13:06 GMT -6
Maybe Josh Z. is right and I need to go back and re-read "The Ultimate Evil" again, before proceeding forward, when I see information, like yours, presented.
Again, welcome!
In light of Prof. Horan's videos, not to mention Jon's book, the basic meat and potatoes of the Westchester cult story seemed more significant, namely porn, drugs and prostitution angles when going back and reading TUE. It's easy to get overwhelmed with the "nation-wide conspiracy" thing, or at least it was for me, so I'd get bogged-down with rooting around the internet for Four Pi and trying to figure out who the Grand Chingon was when really the local players are just as mysterious and just as interesting, if not more. |
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Post by mike23 on Apr 21, 2021 11:25:33 GMT -6
Hello,Ace and Omega ,thanx for warm welcome!As far as I understood it from the "talk in the street", in New Rochelle,during the 1980s,no,the intended target was,S.L.,not N.G..This attack occurs in Nov.,after suzette rodrigues execution at the Elmsford chief of police house.I think that was October.The purge in full swing at this point it seems.whats interesting is Suzette,who's real name I guess was Maria,was wearing the necklace ,with the name "Suzanne".Its of note both susan Conway and sue levy were both known as Susan, and Suzanne.Reading The Ultimate Evil and researching over time ,gives possibility to the ownership of that necklace coming down to 2 women,not just one.Strange.Anyway I think there was a difference between being one of the"22",or as I refer to them ,an associate or j.v. member if you will.I will just say it was said,she took a shot in the stomache ,and there was absolutely no cooperation with the investigation on her part,that is the local lore anyway.I guess the message was received and with an innocent dead,the purge continued elsewhere,.later .
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Post by ace on Apr 21, 2021 15:00:26 GMT -6
Hello,Ace and Omega ,thanx for warm welcome!As far as I understood it from the "talk in the street", in New Rochelle,during the 1980s,no,the intended target was,S.L.,not N.G..This attack occurs in Nov.,after suzette rodrigues execution at the Elmsford chief of police house.I think that was October.The purge in full swing at this point it seems.whats interesting is Suzette,who's real name I guess was Maria,was wearing the necklace ,with the name "Suzanne".Its of note both susan Conway and sue levy were both known as Susan, and Suzanne.Reading The Ultimate Evil and researching over time ,gives possibility to the ownership of that necklace coming down to 2 women,not just one.Strange.Anyway I think there was a difference between being one of the"22",or as I refer to them ,an associate or j.v. member if you will.I will just say it was said,she took a shot in the stomache ,and there was absolutely no cooperation with the investigation on her part,that is the local lore anyway.I guess the message was received and with an innocent dead,the purge continued elsewhere,.later . Thank you! Your insights are greatly appreciated. As you probably guessed, lol.
Mike, was there ever any talk about a young journalist who got clipped after getting too close to some cult members in the 80's? Friends of the journalists described them as "Aleister Crowley Satanists". I read about it a couple of years before picking up The Ultimate Evil and always wondered.
Anyway, it's interesting that they never finished the job with Sue.
But it looks like she went on to run a pet store as well as Ketch 22 (22, good lord) on North Avenue near Iona College.
Paywall, so here's the mention: "On Friday nights, the customer line for Ketch 22 North, a bar in New Rochelle stretches right past an advertisement in a deli window for customized identification cards."
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Post by gv889 on Apr 21, 2021 17:25:22 GMT -6
Wasn't David O' Gorman (A Yonkers Public School Teacher) who passed away in 2018 one of the 22 members, and did he participate in any of the SOS attacks?
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Post by gv889 on Apr 21, 2021 17:31:47 GMT -6
Ace thanks for the those links! Does anybody have a photo of Susan Conway?
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Post by gv889 on Apr 21, 2021 18:34:04 GMT -6
Thanks Omega!
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Post by gv889 on Apr 21, 2021 19:33:20 GMT -6
Susan Conway = Oblique Shaped Eyes, High Cheek Bones, A Wig, Some Grease Paint....What do you think Omega? And hell yea Jon's book is a must read!
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Post by Omega on Apr 21, 2021 20:04:22 GMT -6
Wasn't David O' Gorman (A Yonkers Public School Teacher) who passed away in 2018 one of the 22 members, and did he participate in any of the SOS attacks?
GV,
Originally thought to be the pseudonym "Gorman Johnson" in "The Ultimate Evil", however, things may have changed that "Gorman" may actually be "Norman" now!
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Post by mike23 on Apr 21, 2021 20:57:39 GMT -6
Hey Ace,I never have heard that story of the young journalist who got too close.I'd love to hear about it!with all this Susan Conway talk,I often imagine what the NYPD would have done if Alan Masters would have been able to bottleneck the VW until the police got there. If Conway was driving and that car had say Jerry Berg or "Larry Milenko" in it,or whoever,what would have happened.A totally different story would have come out and maybe Berkowitz would have become a mystery character,for a while anyway.Tommy Zaino could have made the identity of the shooter known that night.This case really makes you think,what if ,a lot.
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Post by ace on Apr 21, 2021 21:39:26 GMT -6
Hey Ace,I never have heard that story of the young journalist who got too close.I'd love to hear about it! Sorry Mike, all I can recall are the broad strokes as this was a story I read many years ago. The only part I left out were the drugs; according to the journalist's friends this group introduced him to hard drugs and got him a little strung out before whacking him. Can't say for sure this is our gang, but they, the "Aleister Crowley Satanists", sure sound they're cut from the same cloth.
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Post by Jon on Apr 23, 2021 19:02:25 GMT -6
Much appreciated, guys! I still consider it possible that Conway drove the VW on the night of the Moskowitz shooting (given her previous experience behind the wheel of a getaway car), but quite recently another suspect has come to light--not via my own research--and may be an even stronger candidate. The search for new info continues.
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Post by Omega on Apr 23, 2021 19:14:43 GMT -6
Much appreciated, guys! I still consider it possible that Conway drove the VW on the night of the Moskowitz shooting (given her previous experience behind the wheel of a getaway car), but quite recently another suspect has come to light--not via my own research--and may be an even stronger candidate. The search for new info continues. Uhhh, c'mon Jon, DON'T be a TEASE! PLEASE SHARE some info.................HERE!!!!!
We are just looking for some scraps to fall off the table that you dine at!!
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