Jon
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Post by Jon on Apr 13, 2021 15:53:37 GMT -6
This is what I've been concerned about since reading the new intro to Maury's book. "But this is the story of a man who became obsessed with an investigation"...that line (and slight variations thereof) crops up way too often, and I worry that the emphasis is going to be on Maury's personal life and not the case. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by gv889 on Apr 14, 2021 19:09:14 GMT -6
Hey guy's I'm throwing this out there for your discussion and thoughts. NYPD Chief Steven Silks commits suicide June 5th 2019. Silks supposedly saw Anthony Weiner's laptop.Weiner is a convicted pedophile Silks was not married and by some considered bisexual. He grew up in the Bronx (Pelham Bay 45 pct NYPD location of two SOS shootings) and joined the NYPD in 1979. He was a gym rat and for a time I believe in the late 80's or early 90's was assigned to the NYPD 50th pct which encompasses Van Cortland Park and the estate of Alfred Hunt Howell. And is just south of Untermeyer Park in Yonkers NY. While he was assigned to the 50t pct he was a lieutenant who worked in plain cloth's solo and drove an unmarked car and really was unsupervised! Did he commit suicide because he saw something on that laptop hard drive?
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Post by Omega on Apr 15, 2021 7:52:56 GMT -6
Silks was 62 years old and one month shy of the mandatory NYPD retirement age of 63. How anyone can stay on the force for that long a period of time, especially in this day and age, is beyond comprehension Outside of the Bronx locales you point out, there is nothing indicating a Son of Sam connection (although in another location coincidence, Silks committed suicide on Burns Street in Forest Hills, in the shadow of the Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. This location is only a few blocks from the Freund/Voskerichian murder scenes and possibly the same area where Berkowitz may have parked his car on the night of the attacks) This story probably leans more to the "ARK of the KANSASnant" than it does to Son of Sam, if there is any juice to the matter at all. But, bring your proper hiking boots though, if you are going to search for the "ARK" in that direction. I hear it gets rather "HILLY" in spots!
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on Apr 17, 2021 15:44:54 GMT -6
Silks was 62 years old and one month shy of the mandatory NYPD retirement age of 63. How anyone can stay on the force for that long a period of time, especially in this day and age, is beyond comprehension Outside of the Bronx locales you point out, there is nothing indicating a Son of Sam connection (although in another location coincidence, Silks committed suicide on Burns Street in Forest Hills, in the shadow of the Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. This location is only a few blocks from the Freund/Voskerichian murder scenes and possibly the same area where Berkowitz may have parked his car on the night of the attacks) This story probably leans more to the "ARK of the KANSASnant" than it does to Son of Sam, if there is any juice to the matter at all. But, bring your proper hiking boots though, if you are going to search for the "ARK" in that direction. I hear it gets rather "HILLY" in spots! Didn't Carl Reeve Rockman have an apartment in Forest Hills very close to the Freund&Voskerichian murder venue's? Omega I did say I was throwing this out there LOL!
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Post by Omega on Apr 17, 2021 16:42:14 GMT -6
Didn't Carl Reeve Rockman have an apartment in Forest Hills very close to the Freund&Voskerichian murder venue's? Omega I did say I was throwing this out there LOL! Hi gv889 and welcome to the boards here! Please, DON'T sense my response as anything negative. Your info, research and comments are VERY VALUABLE to the overall investigation and are GREATLY appreciated! I LOVE the dialogue and info that is currently out there! "Rockman" is interesting figure in the "Sam" saga. JON here on the boards (Jon Mitchell, who has published a very fine ebook, available on Amazon and HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!) and I have have had correspondence on the elusive "Reeve Rockman". See our recent discussion here:
With the re-release of "The Ultimate Evil" book next week and the upcoming 4-part documentary series on Netflix starting on May 5th, I don't think "The Ultimate Evil"/Son of Sam cult story has been this prevalent in decades! Researcher's input, like yours, is very critical at this point! We need to get down to what are real leads/info and what is "folklore", if we are ever going to get a chance at solving some of the aspects of this case. The time is NOW!
Thanks, and "keep diggin' and knockin' on those coffins!"
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on Apr 18, 2021 11:30:40 GMT -6
Thank you Omega! And don't worry I have thick skin LOL!!! I was an NYPD Detective who retired from the ballistics lab shortly after 9/11. All of the guys that worked the SOS case were long gone when I got to the lab but I do have bits & pieces of info that you esteemed gents might find helpful in your quest to get to the bottom of these investigations. The consensus at the ballistic lab was that there was at least 4 or 5 Charter Arms 44 Sp Bull Dog revolvers used in the SOS attacks. I commented on a Youtube video which Jon Mitchell was monitoring and also commenting. It had to do with Reeve Rockmans's penchant for hanging out at a diner in Bayside Queens. Rockman was suspected to be involved in the drug aspect of the Yonkers cult and that diner which is still there but under a different name was used as a meeting place for potential drug deals. I told Jon that the NYPD and DEA and other State and Federal LE agencies had made some (In the early 80's thru the early 90's) substantial drug busts in the adjacent shopping center parking lot. I would say that the proximity of the diner to the shopping center is no more than 35 yards. I'm thinking Rockman was buying Cocaine from the Cali Cartel and selling it to Roy Radin and other's in that circle. And remember that diner is a mere stone's throw from Jackson Heights Queens which was the USA HQ for the Cali Cartel!
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Post by Omega on Apr 18, 2021 12:42:28 GMT -6
Gv889, your experience and background should be a tremendous resource of guidance for us "citizen detectives" to bounce things off of here!
I imagine the diner you are referring to is the one Maury identifies as the "Blue Dolphin" in "The Ultimate Evil"? This was the diner that the Bayside religious seer, Veronika Lueken, identified and was mysterious about in her conversations with Maury and Steve Dunleavey.
From "The Ultimate Evil":
"She named a former NYPD detective as one of the cult's dope suppliers, and said he could be found by surveilling the Blue Dolphin diner in Queens. More murders were planned. The cult's leader was said to be an accountant and former drug user, whom I will call Reeve Carl Rockman.* Rockman maintained two addresses, one of which was very proximate to the Son of Sam killing ground in Forest Hills. A major cult "safe house," complete with Black Mass ceremonies, was said to be located at an address on Van Duzer Street in Staten Island."
Do you have any thoughts on who Rockman may be and if still alive? I don't know if you have read Jon's ebook, but he gives some hints on a suspect.
In the link I had attached in the previous post, I posted the conversation I had with Jon on Rockman. Jon's suspect has qualities that would seem in line with the person Maury was alluding to, but I thought he may have been too young at the time of SOS (around 22-23 years old) to have elevated to such stature in the cult and also to have an established career in the business world. Maury's suspect was born in 1947, which would put him more near 30 years old in the 1976-77 time frame and more plausible to have gained those.
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Post by ace on Apr 18, 2021 12:58:07 GMT -6
The really messed up thing about Jon's suspect are those photos of this "Rock Man" standing next to a posterboard that reads "SAM" across the top. Either that's him or the universe is fucking with us, lol.
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on Apr 18, 2021 13:30:40 GMT -6
Omega Unfortunately I have nothing to offer on Rockman. I agree that Jon Mitchell's guy could have been too young at that time to hold that much prominence and responsibility in the cult. But could his dob have been wrong? If he wasn't born in 1947 maybe two or three years later would that make it more plausible? I did read Jon's E-Book on Amazon and I'm very impressed with it!
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Post by ace on Apr 18, 2021 13:34:36 GMT -6
I agree that Jon Mitchell's guy could have been too young at that time to hold that much prominence and responsibility in the cult. Yeah, but a guy his age with coke? Lots of it?
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on Apr 18, 2021 14:05:01 GMT -6
Ace anything is possible look at that Dominican coke dealer Adam Diaz who was involved with NYPD crooked cop Mike Dowd. I believe Adam Diaz was running a multi million $ a month coke network with Pablo Escabor, Diaz was only 19 years old!
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Post by Omega on Apr 18, 2021 16:12:33 GMT -6
The really messed up thing about Jon's suspect are those photos of this "Rock Man" standing next to a posterboard that reads "SAM" across the top. Son of a gun Ace, you made me go back and take a look at that! I never noticed it before!
As George Austin said in "The Ultimate Evil" - "Search that man for dog biscuits!"
NICE CATCH!
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Post by ace on Apr 18, 2021 19:59:34 GMT -6
Ace anything is possible look at that Dominican coke dealer Adam Diaz who was involved with NYPD crooked cop Mike Dowd. I believe Adam Diaz was running a multi million $ a month coke network with Pablo Escabor, Diaz was only 19 years old! I'm unapologetically "back the blue", but yeah that was a fucked up story.
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on Apr 19, 2021 17:37:43 GMT -6
Anybody care to guess how many members of the Twenty Two Disciples Of Hell are still alive?
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Post by mike23 on Apr 20, 2021 21:26:54 GMT -6
Hey,guys new here and glad to be able to discuss the case.Just wanted to chime in on the list posted above.I've always thought the shooting of 13 yearold Natalie Gallace,in Nov.of 1977 on palmer ave,was one of the saddest incidents in the whole case.Of course all the deaths and shootings were tragic,but this girl lost her life simply because she was standing in a kitchen with Sue Levy.The female members of the group have always been in the shadows.I could say more but I'll just mention a fact that unless you're from New Rochelle or southern Westchester this may have been missed.In the late 1990s into the early 2000s,Sue owned a bar near Iona college.The name-KETCH-22.Interesting name choice,dont ya think?Well that's all for now,you guys know your stuff,love reading this board.
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