Netflix - "The Sons of Sam: A Descent Into Darkness"
May 19, 2021 9:08:53 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on May 19, 2021 9:08:53 GMT -6
To the member formerly known as "Justiceseeker:" Just because I debunk a theory doesn't mean I've replaced it with another one.
If you bother to actually READ my posts, or WATCH my podcast, you will notice that I notice that, yes, there is some kind of weirdo "cult" crap going on. But just because some "cult" weirdos are taking mob contracts doesn't prove the mafia isn't involved. Do you understand the difference?
You're new here, and there are ten thousand threads you haven't read yet. I get that. But I will try to summarize what we have proven so far:
1. NOBODY knows jack shit about these murders. Nobody. Jack shit. Why? Unlike, say, "Zodiac," where we now have ALL the original police, FBI, DOJ, and newspaper files, and can therefore reconstruct the entire investigations, plus do our own follow-up investigation, we don't actually know JACK SHIT about these "Son of Sam" murders. In the Gary Hinman murder, we have both the original LE files AND the two trial transcripts. In Tate/LaBianca, we have the "case resumes" the police put together at the time Bugliosi took over the case, and we have the trial transcripts (but as we see in the Hinman murder, there is a BIG change that takes place between the investigation and the case that is presented to the jury) and SOME of the files from non-LPAD, like Inyo County and LA County sheriff offices. But we have enough of that material to PROVE that the testimonies of the jailhouse snitches (both members of the Manson Family, and "outsiders" like Veronica Howard) that the case presented to the jury was mostly LIES. Lies that these "witnesses," including Susan Atkins herself, picked up from highly fictionalized (often by police and DAs themselves) reports in the media--NOT from being present at the crimes. We can PROVE that.
But in "Son of Sam," there isn't even a trial transcript we can study, let alone actual witness statements, actual autopsy reports, actual ballistics. NOTHING. So, all we can do is try and reinvestigate from scratch. Oh, there's Maury's book, but it's impossible to verify ANY of the third-hand hearsay that makes up most of his book. (The rest of it is just him reading other reporters' stories about the cases. That, and a few sprinkles of horseshit dribbled out by Berkowitz and "Vinny" and "Danny.") That's IT. That's ALL we've got. And guess where that's gotten us.
So, what CAN we do? Well, we can do what any good homicide detective would do--build up a COMPLETE victim background profile. The victim will tell you who the murderer is, and the first myth we can debunk about these murders, without any help from Maury or any other "expert," including Carl Denaro, is that NONE of these victims was chosen "randomly." (Except possibly Lomino/Demasie, but again, the shell casings suggest that it might not be a related shooting at all.) The second thing we can prove is that ALL of these victims (except maybe Lauria, and Lomino/Demasi) were involved in and with mafia people and mafia related activities. Auto body shops--stolen cars and stolen car parts. Pornography, prostitution, and blackmail. Etc. Carl Denaro told me he was studying photography at the junior college where he met Rosemary Keenan, and he was hoping to work as a photographer and get more training in the military. That's why he joined up. The funny thing is, nearly all the female victims had these semiprofessional/professional "glamour shots" taken not long before they were murdered. Michael Carr, who died in an iffy car "accident," after his brother "died" in some weird fake murder/suicide/body swap/WTF, worked in the fashion and beauty industry as a makeup artist and stylist. Stacy was not only in some pretty sexy (if PG-rated) pictures, but her JOB in the fashion industry (overpriced imported European shoes--if you know ANYTHING about the mafia...) was "dating" out of town businessmen. Ronald Sisman...you get the picture. Or, if you don't, you need to do some more homework.
What does that have to do with another victim, Carl Denaro, being an apprentice photographer?" Ask him. Ask him why he keeps it a secret. If it "doesn't matter." Because that's obviously how he met Rosemary. The girl who came onto him at the bar the night she drove him to the spot where he got shot. And the funny thing is, his stepfather (he's not completely honest about THAT part of the story, either) directly oversaw money laundering (or, more likely, was induced to turn a blind eye to it) at Citibank, THE most notorious mafia/Nazi/CIA money laundering bank in the WORLD. Gus worked DIRECTLY under Frank J Denaro, Jr, a Sicilian-born mafia banker. Was Carl shot because someone jumped to the wrong conclusion? Or the RIGHT conclusion? We shall see...
Whatever value Maury's "research" has, it CLEARLY shows that ALL these fishy people were engaged in activities dominated by the Mafia. Narcotics, prostitution/porn/blackmail, weapons, money laundering. Even MAURY concluded that the "cult" are primarily a CRIMINAL organization. And there is NO WAY the Mafia just sit around with their thumbs up their asses whilst (snicker) these "Satanic" ass clowns do Mafia business without Mafia oversight. No. Way. And one thing we've all learned since reading Maury's book is that nearly every single person touched by this case--cops, victims, survivors, witnesses--has lied about it.
So, what? Well, what about Donna Lauria? Everybody in town knew her dad's job at the bus company was of interest to the Mafia. I'll say it again--you don't get shot because you're "in" the mafia. You (and your family) get hurt because you're NOT in the Mafia. You're NOT playing along. You're NOT keeping your mouth shut. How fucking hard is that to understand? And Donna had just broken up with her mob-related boyfriend. Who supposedly told people she'd be dead soon. And then it turns out that Donna herself had a top-security job directly involved in handling--get this--blood. Whole blood. Plasma. Plus, narcotics and other hospital/ambulance supplies. And her mother worked in administration at the same hospital. According to MAURY, this gang of "Satanists" were involved a heroin-smuggling scheme that had infiltrated--the blood business. What do the Mafia have to do with blood? Snicker. But they DO have their oily fingers in NARCOTICS trafficking.
And that leaves only one victim whose background turns out to be not only chin-deep in the exact same Eurotrash businessmen that Stacy "dates," but specifically, one of these CIA/Mafia affiliated money-laundering, real-estate-investing, government-toppling businesses. Christine Freund.
What do Donna Lauria, Christine Freund...well, I'll start recording new episodes today. In the meantime, what was your "question?" Oh, yeah. The "letters." Why would the police write...
I don't know WTF you got that idea. The only thing the letters do is IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE. In the lead up to his inevitable arrest, Berkowitz wrote a LOT of letters. They aaaallllll implicate OTHER PEOPLE. Since the day he was sentenced, Berkowitz has relentlessly continued to IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE. Specific people. Just like the JonBenet ransom note implicates specific people, and it ain't the Ramseys.) Why? To make sure those people don't renege on their deal with Berkowitz. Duh.
One last thing--this website is NOT for me to sit around arguing with "people" who have "theories" ad infinitum. It is for submitting and discussing EVIDENCE, new information, etc. If you don't like it, go kiss someone else's ass. So, when "posts" consisting of "people" just arguing to hear themselves argue, and not providing any information, must arguing, those threads get cleaned up. Along with some "people" who bitch about "nobody's genuflecting, and heaping ebullient praise...that's problematic, apparently..." Well, sunshine, you don't have to worry about that anymore. Nobody has to like me. And we won't waste any more of your valuable time, since you're all you're doing is arguing, and not actually digging up any actual information.
You don't have to like me to participate on this website. You don't have to "believe" me. But you're not allowed to take up space and waste my time arguing without at least bringing something to the table.
Where was I? Oh, yeah. All that reinvestigating from scratch? Well, son of a gun (snicker.) It paid off. There IS a concrete link between not only the "Son of Sam" victims, but "Son of Sam" AND "Zodiac" AND "Manson." And Maury HAD stumbled on it. But he never followed up on it, because it didn't look like it was part of this "cult" stuff. But there it is. And it ain't Bill Mentzer.
BTW, what IS the "known" physical description of "Manson II." Is there one? And don't say, "He looked like Bill Mentzer." HOW did he "look like Bill Mentzer?" Cuz it ain't Bill Mentzer.
If you bother to actually READ my posts, or WATCH my podcast, you will notice that I notice that, yes, there is some kind of weirdo "cult" crap going on. But just because some "cult" weirdos are taking mob contracts doesn't prove the mafia isn't involved. Do you understand the difference?
You're new here, and there are ten thousand threads you haven't read yet. I get that. But I will try to summarize what we have proven so far:
1. NOBODY knows jack shit about these murders. Nobody. Jack shit. Why? Unlike, say, "Zodiac," where we now have ALL the original police, FBI, DOJ, and newspaper files, and can therefore reconstruct the entire investigations, plus do our own follow-up investigation, we don't actually know JACK SHIT about these "Son of Sam" murders. In the Gary Hinman murder, we have both the original LE files AND the two trial transcripts. In Tate/LaBianca, we have the "case resumes" the police put together at the time Bugliosi took over the case, and we have the trial transcripts (but as we see in the Hinman murder, there is a BIG change that takes place between the investigation and the case that is presented to the jury) and SOME of the files from non-LPAD, like Inyo County and LA County sheriff offices. But we have enough of that material to PROVE that the testimonies of the jailhouse snitches (both members of the Manson Family, and "outsiders" like Veronica Howard) that the case presented to the jury was mostly LIES. Lies that these "witnesses," including Susan Atkins herself, picked up from highly fictionalized (often by police and DAs themselves) reports in the media--NOT from being present at the crimes. We can PROVE that.
But in "Son of Sam," there isn't even a trial transcript we can study, let alone actual witness statements, actual autopsy reports, actual ballistics. NOTHING. So, all we can do is try and reinvestigate from scratch. Oh, there's Maury's book, but it's impossible to verify ANY of the third-hand hearsay that makes up most of his book. (The rest of it is just him reading other reporters' stories about the cases. That, and a few sprinkles of horseshit dribbled out by Berkowitz and "Vinny" and "Danny.") That's IT. That's ALL we've got. And guess where that's gotten us.
So, what CAN we do? Well, we can do what any good homicide detective would do--build up a COMPLETE victim background profile. The victim will tell you who the murderer is, and the first myth we can debunk about these murders, without any help from Maury or any other "expert," including Carl Denaro, is that NONE of these victims was chosen "randomly." (Except possibly Lomino/Demasie, but again, the shell casings suggest that it might not be a related shooting at all.) The second thing we can prove is that ALL of these victims (except maybe Lauria, and Lomino/Demasi) were involved in and with mafia people and mafia related activities. Auto body shops--stolen cars and stolen car parts. Pornography, prostitution, and blackmail. Etc. Carl Denaro told me he was studying photography at the junior college where he met Rosemary Keenan, and he was hoping to work as a photographer and get more training in the military. That's why he joined up. The funny thing is, nearly all the female victims had these semiprofessional/professional "glamour shots" taken not long before they were murdered. Michael Carr, who died in an iffy car "accident," after his brother "died" in some weird fake murder/suicide/body swap/WTF, worked in the fashion and beauty industry as a makeup artist and stylist. Stacy was not only in some pretty sexy (if PG-rated) pictures, but her JOB in the fashion industry (overpriced imported European shoes--if you know ANYTHING about the mafia...) was "dating" out of town businessmen. Ronald Sisman...you get the picture. Or, if you don't, you need to do some more homework.
What does that have to do with another victim, Carl Denaro, being an apprentice photographer?" Ask him. Ask him why he keeps it a secret. If it "doesn't matter." Because that's obviously how he met Rosemary. The girl who came onto him at the bar the night she drove him to the spot where he got shot. And the funny thing is, his stepfather (he's not completely honest about THAT part of the story, either) directly oversaw money laundering (or, more likely, was induced to turn a blind eye to it) at Citibank, THE most notorious mafia/Nazi/CIA money laundering bank in the WORLD. Gus worked DIRECTLY under Frank J Denaro, Jr, a Sicilian-born mafia banker. Was Carl shot because someone jumped to the wrong conclusion? Or the RIGHT conclusion? We shall see...
Whatever value Maury's "research" has, it CLEARLY shows that ALL these fishy people were engaged in activities dominated by the Mafia. Narcotics, prostitution/porn/blackmail, weapons, money laundering. Even MAURY concluded that the "cult" are primarily a CRIMINAL organization. And there is NO WAY the Mafia just sit around with their thumbs up their asses whilst (snicker) these "Satanic" ass clowns do Mafia business without Mafia oversight. No. Way. And one thing we've all learned since reading Maury's book is that nearly every single person touched by this case--cops, victims, survivors, witnesses--has lied about it.
So, what? Well, what about Donna Lauria? Everybody in town knew her dad's job at the bus company was of interest to the Mafia. I'll say it again--you don't get shot because you're "in" the mafia. You (and your family) get hurt because you're NOT in the Mafia. You're NOT playing along. You're NOT keeping your mouth shut. How fucking hard is that to understand? And Donna had just broken up with her mob-related boyfriend. Who supposedly told people she'd be dead soon. And then it turns out that Donna herself had a top-security job directly involved in handling--get this--blood. Whole blood. Plasma. Plus, narcotics and other hospital/ambulance supplies. And her mother worked in administration at the same hospital. According to MAURY, this gang of "Satanists" were involved a heroin-smuggling scheme that had infiltrated--the blood business. What do the Mafia have to do with blood? Snicker. But they DO have their oily fingers in NARCOTICS trafficking.
And that leaves only one victim whose background turns out to be not only chin-deep in the exact same Eurotrash businessmen that Stacy "dates," but specifically, one of these CIA/Mafia affiliated money-laundering, real-estate-investing, government-toppling businesses. Christine Freund.
What do Donna Lauria, Christine Freund...well, I'll start recording new episodes today. In the meantime, what was your "question?" Oh, yeah. The "letters." Why would the police write...
I don't know WTF you got that idea. The only thing the letters do is IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE. In the lead up to his inevitable arrest, Berkowitz wrote a LOT of letters. They aaaallllll implicate OTHER PEOPLE. Since the day he was sentenced, Berkowitz has relentlessly continued to IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE. Specific people. Just like the JonBenet ransom note implicates specific people, and it ain't the Ramseys.) Why? To make sure those people don't renege on their deal with Berkowitz. Duh.
One last thing--this website is NOT for me to sit around arguing with "people" who have "theories" ad infinitum. It is for submitting and discussing EVIDENCE, new information, etc. If you don't like it, go kiss someone else's ass. So, when "posts" consisting of "people" just arguing to hear themselves argue, and not providing any information, must arguing, those threads get cleaned up. Along with some "people" who bitch about "nobody's genuflecting, and heaping ebullient praise...that's problematic, apparently..." Well, sunshine, you don't have to worry about that anymore. Nobody has to like me. And we won't waste any more of your valuable time, since you're all you're doing is arguing, and not actually digging up any actual information.
You don't have to like me to participate on this website. You don't have to "believe" me. But you're not allowed to take up space and waste my time arguing without at least bringing something to the table.
Where was I? Oh, yeah. All that reinvestigating from scratch? Well, son of a gun (snicker.) It paid off. There IS a concrete link between not only the "Son of Sam" victims, but "Son of Sam" AND "Zodiac" AND "Manson." And Maury HAD stumbled on it. But he never followed up on it, because it didn't look like it was part of this "cult" stuff. But there it is. And it ain't Bill Mentzer.
BTW, what IS the "known" physical description of "Manson II." Is there one? And don't say, "He looked like Bill Mentzer." HOW did he "look like Bill Mentzer?" Cuz it ain't Bill Mentzer.