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Post by karis on Mar 17, 2021 20:50:27 GMT -6
Questions I have about Phillip:
Where did he Live
Where was he at when Wade and Blaine picked him up
Why didn't Wade take the drunkened Phillip to his(Phillip's) own house instead of the church
Was the church a place for homeless people or people that were drunk
Did he have a key or did he break in (I don't know of any church that leaves their doors unlocked)
What "possessions" did Phillip have with him and why did he leave them, and how did Jan S. know for a fact they were Phillip's. Maybe a Wallet?
What kind of person was Phillip that he wasn't even welcomed(?) at his aunt's house
What was he wearing that night
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 17, 2021 22:00:41 GMT -6
It was spang who drove a van into keddie right?, I wonder if anybody asked Phillip if he'd seen the driver
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Post by jmo on Mar 19, 2021 9:48:17 GMT -6
SHEARER, PHILLIP
Didn't see John & Dana 4/11/81, didn't go to Keddie that day, advised of rights & asked for lawyer, lawyer wanted immunity, said he was witness to 187's
<BRUBAKER>/<SHANKS>
Who was Phillip's lawyer?
I'm liking this thread. :-)
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Post by kmik on Mar 21, 2021 6:55:49 GMT -6
I think 28 said it was Olney (who was a public defender at the time) - but that's just from memory and may be wrong.
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Post by kmik on Mar 24, 2021 15:43:03 GMT -6
Marty told LE on April 16 that the Meeks boys said Phillip was in Keddie on 4-11-81.
Marty also told LE on April 16th that Phillip was in jail.
On April 29th, 1981 a radio dispatcher monitored a conversation between Phillip and his mother.
On May 5th Phillip was interviewed at the Sheriff's office.
If Marty told LE on the 16th that the Meeks boys said Phillip was in Keddie then they certainly questioned the Meeks boys about this. Why was a dispatcher monitoring Phillips conversation with his mom on the 29th? Is it possible that Phillip was questioned by LE between Marty's interview and his mom's visit and that's why his mom came to the jail and why their conversation was being "monitored"? Maybe Phillip had already been interviewed by LE and told them he was there. Maybe his mom was questioned by LE about his story and she came to the jail afterwards to convince him to keep quite.
Was the dispatcher specifically asked to monitor Phillips conversation? The dispatcher was already busy receiving radio and phone calls but managed to have time to listen in on Phillip Shearer (a crazy drunk) and his mom's conversation?? We must be missing an interview with the Meeks boys about Phillip being in Keddie and an interview with Phillips mom Barbara Shearer.
Hope started this thread with a photo of Stoys report on the lightbulb and scissors. It's clear the next line in the report says, "I contacted Richard Meeks to ask him if ", but the rest of the report is cropped off so what did it say? From what I can see it was dated either April 29 or 30. Why was this report cropped off? Why are any of the reports cropped off?
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Post by kmik on Mar 28, 2021 10:11:12 GMT -6
In 2015 after we joined 28 forum, karis found out Phillip was the Meeks kin. We copied a lot of post when we were there and looking at some of those there was one from 2013 that Meanie wrote in which she told the same story she told on her forum in 2016- except there was a little more info such as Phillip said the light bulb had been unscrewed earlier in the evening by the killer.
So the lightbulb being unscrewed was info Phillip had told someone before his death in 2001. Who is the person that gave Meanie the info?
Meanie said Phillips mom and family would not talk about it and if they did would say Phillip was a crazy drunk.
josh Hancock said he did not include the Phillip story in the doc because he could not find Phillip or his mom!
Isn’t it beyond interesting that Richard or Sheila OR Glenna didn’t tell Josh that Phillip was dead and his mom (Glennas sister) was living in Quincy?Oh my! Josh also said if he didn’t have an interview to back it up with he didn’t use it in the doc.
Funny Josh found out Marty was dead and by the second doc that Bo was dead - but still no mention or investigation into finding Phil or who he was - thanks to the Meeks and their wealth of info on Marty and convenient amnesia on Phillip Shearer!! UNBELIEVABLE
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Post by kmik on Mar 28, 2021 17:13:24 GMT -6
This is the old post that Meanie wrote on Dmac's forum similar to the one she wrote on her own forum in 2016: (I'm having to type it out so any typo's are probably mine)
Phillip's story may be complete bull he heard from the Meeks but many things he said have left us wondering for years. Now we know he told someone before his death (in 2001) that the lightbulb was unscrewed and here we are (in 2020) just learning for the first time that the bulb was unscrewed. Something else I now wonder about is Meanie saying she thought someone told Marty what to say about Philip because they knew what Phillip was going to say to the cops. We've just read in the last year that Marty said the Meeks boys told him Phillip was in Keddie 4-11-81.
I wonder if Phillip was in jail by Sunday night since his name was not mentioned in the statement that Wade and Blaine took his Indian friend to Greenville. I think of the GREAT LENGHTS the Meeks went to, to keep the documentary watchers and forum members from knowing Phillip was kin to them.
We no longer correspond with Meanie since Dmac sabotaged her forum (2017) - I think she just got burned out. She was truly the voice of reason when it came to this case.
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Post by kmik on Mar 30, 2021 15:18:53 GMT -6
The only person Phillip seemed to remember in any version of his story was Marty Smartt. How convenient!
Are we really to believe LE didn’t question Marty, the Meeks, and Phillips mom about his story?
Dmac either has these interviews and doesn’t want to post them or they were not given to him
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Post by kmik on Mar 30, 2021 19:21:28 GMT -6
According to the 1981 FRB the Methodist Church's Sunday schedule was Sunday School at 9:30am and Worship Service at 11:00am. The report said a group of women discovered Phillip in the High School Sunday School room so it seems that this was probably around time for Sunday School or possibly a little earlier maybe 9:15.
*Let's say Phillip left the church around 9:15am and walked to the Meeks home (about a mile away) taking him about 15-20 minutes to get there (if that's the first place he went to).
*He would have arrived there around 9:30-9:45.
*Let's say Phillip began to tell them some version of his story which would have taken a while if they were asking questions (30 minutes)
*Maybe Glenna then (around 10:15) called Sue's house, then Marilyn's after not getting Sue on the phone, to see if something had happened at 28.
*Wade then goes next door and informs Blaine who comes over to the Meeks where he hears the news from Glenna around 10:30am. (I think the report on Blaine said he heard the news from Nina Meeks, not his friend Phillip, around 10:30am)
* Unless there's a report that say's otherwise it's very possible that Phillip is the one who told the Meeks - if so the Meeks probably would not have told LE that Phillip was over at their house giving out this information - unless the story got back to LE and they questioned them.
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Post by hope on Mar 30, 2021 22:41:39 GMT -6
Thank you for that post of Meanie's, I had not seen it before. It would be lovely if she returnd to the forums. Her posts were always very knowledgeable and she stuck to the facts. It's a real shame that happened. She had a nice forum, like this one, where people could openly discuss the case. Ugh. Anyway, quite a coincidence Phillip knew about the lightbulb being unscrewed & the scissors, considering both have only become public knowledge. Wow, what are the chances. And both times he named Marty as being there, only in the second story he claims Marty was there to protect Justin. I wonder if he ever told his family & friends the other people he claimed to be there that night. He had to have. I wonder who he claimed unscrewed the lightbulb. I do think it makes more sense that Glenna found out from Phillip after he left the church. And given the fact Mama made sure to distance herself from Phillip & not mention him while posting on the forums, of course she wouldn't say that is how she found out. To me, it feels like there is something here, I just dont know what. Mama was protecting Phillip or at least trying to keep his name out of it and his story unknown. Which is strange considering she was sure Marty did it and Phillip's story could have added to that. If Phillip was just a "crazy drunk" then all she had to say was "he had some issues & told that story but it wasn't true because of xyz". Instead she tried to keep it a secret and her relationship with him. Even when his name was brought up & she was actively posting she didn't mention Phillip was her nephew. I think she knew more about his story & even believed it. Pointing all the attention to Marty was a good way to keep people from looking into Phillip. Marty may have been there or responsible, but she was purposefully keeping information for some reason. I wish those posts still existed so we could read them now. And I'd love to know what Josh heard about Phillip's story (& other things he kept to himself), now that certain people aren't around to control the narrative. And you're right, there has to be more reports available regarding this. There is a huge piece of the puzzle missing. Its frustrating. There also must be some type of police report from the interaction between PCSO, Phillip & the lawyer who wanted immunity offered. In your post below PCSO says: "Also later admitted to being at the Sharp residence during the homicide" and "No apparent connection with this subject and the Keddie homicides." That came from somewhere. They must have come to this conclusion somehow, did they rule him out through evidence? Real evidence, not just because a license plate number wasn't found scratched in the water heater like he said. Or because he was "5150" & his story dismissed? Did his mom 302 him or suggest he should enter treatment to get him away from police scrutiny or for safety? How was he behaving prior to vs after the homicides? Did his behavior change, take a turn for the worse afterwards? So many questions I wish we could get some answers too.
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Post by kmik on Mar 31, 2021 10:42:42 GMT -6
Hope, I agree fully that the Phillip story would have added to their Marty theory - so why not tell it?? Did LE determine that Phillip had no "connection" to the murders based on his family saying he was "crazy"? Did his mother have him committed soon after because it seems his rape trial set for June 81 was never mentioned again in the FRB?
What or who led LE to Phillip? Marty? Meeks? Joel Helms? Jan Stites?
I think Jan and Mary Bell lived right next door to the Meeks house in the apartment - where Wade and Blaine had played cards after dropping Phillip off at the church. Blaine must have spent the night there (I think he insinuated he was dating one of the girls) and then Jan ends up going to church the next morning where she was told about Phillip BUT when did she tell the story to LE? After she got home from church was she informed of the murders by her neighbors? Were rumors spreading next door (by Wade or Blaine) that Phillip was saying he was involved? I want to see Jan Stites interview and what led her to talk to the police OR what led them to her.
The story Meanie posted, told to her YEARS before we figured out Phillip was kin to the Meeks, was that, "his mother and her family would never speak about it, and when asked about it by anyone, they would mention the fact that Philip is a drunk and what he says cannot be believed". We ourselves know that they never addressed the story of Phillip whatsoever on the documentary or forum- so no doubt they brushed off the story of Phillip - with people who knew them in Quincy - by saying he was crazy.
We've gotta get a Phillip timeline started
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Post by hope on Apr 2, 2021 20:12:40 GMT -6
A Phillip timeline is a great idea. It kinda makes sense for his family to play up the crazy card to discredit him & avoid him being connected to a quadruple homicide. And you make a lot of good points. How was he first brought to LE's attention? There are obviously full interviews with the people you mentioned. It would be helpful to read them in their full context.
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Post by snoho17 on Apr 4, 2021 13:43:22 GMT -6
I felt for too long the philip story was dismissed far too easily. He knew about the scissors, he saw a van, and apparently his prints were found in 28....where? It'd been quite some time since he'd spent the night. Marty is (again) the only thing that doesn't line up. I wouldn't trust Philips timing too much since he woke up drunk and passed out again. But he says Marty was there when he was picked up. If Marty had left at any time marilyn was awake, she would have stated as much since she was admittedly trying to throw him under the bus. I still think it's a slight possibility he carved those 4 numbers in the basement, like a partial plate number.
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Post by hope on Apr 4, 2021 20:48:44 GMT -6
Excellent point on the fingerprints! Do you happen to know where that report might be found? I have looked in the past & again briefly today but was unable to find it. It sure seems like a lot of reports have disappeared over the years. Can you refresh me on the other prints they identified, wasn't it Henry Thompson ?
I have wondered the same thing about his story of the partial license plate. And remember the posts from the woman who moved into 28 several years after the murders? She claimed she found a crawlspace hidden behind some cupboards in the basement. That always made me think of Phillip's story. I wonder how well he knew the layout of 28.
I also came across this post from Admin Horan & thought it was worth posting here.
Definitely a lot "coincidences" coming to light in Phillip's "crazy story".
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Post by hope on Apr 4, 2021 20:57:26 GMT -6
How convenient!!! Unbelievable is right!! I really would like to hear what Josh would be willing to divulge nowadays. josh Hancock said he did not include the Phillip story in the doc because he could not find Phillip or his mom! Isn’t it beyond interesting that Richard or Sheila OR Glenna didn’t tell Josh that Phillip was dead and his mom (Glennas sister) was living in Quincy?Oh my! Josh also said if he didn’t have an interview to back it up with he didn’t use it in the doc.
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