Stoy says he returned to 28 to retrieve the light bulb but also mentions he retrieved a pair of scissors from a windowsill. This is the first I have seen scissors mentioned by LE. Makes me think of Phillips statement saying he handed the killers the scissors. And Professor Horan concluding, just from reading the autopsy report, that Johnny's neck wound was made by a pair of scissors:
Dec 14, 2019 10:07:00 GMT -4 Admin Horan said:
Yes, the wounds on Johnny's throat were made with a narrow, non-serrated, pointed blade. Like a pair of scissors.
Wow Hope! I know much has been made over the lightbulb but this is the first mention of a pair of scissors also being taken into evidence . We need to look at Phillip again and gather everything into one place if it's not already.
Yes! I thought so too! To me the scissors stuck out as more important than the lightbulb. That's an excellent idea about putting all the Phillip info into one place. As crazy as his story gets towards the end, it has always felt like there was some truth in there
It seems I'd always heard about the scissors being used, even before I read philips statement. It was just a given. but now I realize id never Actually seen anything in an any report. Wish I could remember exactly who was talking about it 8/9 years ago.......
Snoho you may be thinking of Sue's hair that was cut (I know I am)? And Hope I completely agree that the scissors were WAY more important of a find than the prints on the lightbulb that could easily be explained away. So it's very possible that we've had to listen to so much importance being placed on the lightbulb in the hopes that the scissors would not be noticed.
I'm also wondering which windowsill the scissors were in (it said living room window but which one) so my first thought is that Stoy noticed it in the front living room window when he went to unscrew the light bulb in the light fixture beside that window.
All of the curtains were drawn in the CS photos and I'm pretty sure they never opened them to keep anyone from trying to look in and that's why they never noticed them on the day of the murders.
On April 29th, 1981, I was working as a radio dispatcher. At approximately 1410 hours I monitored a conversation between Phillip and his mother, who was visiting him. Due to radio transmissions and phone calls, I did not hear the entire conversation. I heard Phillip tell his mother than he was in the house when it happened. His mother said, "Phillip, you're hallucinating, you were in church that night." Phillip said when he left the church he went there with Marty Smartt and two other guys. He spoke of Tina being there. He said, "Someone asked me to hand him the scissors and I did." Phillip said, "Maybe I should be hypnotized," and his mother replied, "No, don't do that." Phillip said that afterward he ran to the Back Door Bar and tried to tell someone who was coming out the door, then he just ran.
Phillip wanted to be hypnotized so it seems he knew or saw something. But "Mom", said no. She is Glenna's sister. But the scissors is not mentioned when interviewed at the sheriff's office.
On 5-1-81, Phillip was interviewed at the sheriff's office.
On 4-11-81 Phllip was at Feather River College, in a fairly intoxicated state. About 2100 hrs Wade M. gave him a ride to the Methodist Church. After being there for an undetermined time, he decided to go to the Exxon Mini-Mart. While at Exxon he met up with Johnny and Dana. They were getting a ride from three people in a pick-up. The pick-up was described as between a 1954 and 1957 Chev., dark green with something similar to a roll bar in the back. He said one of the men was named Marty Smartt, and lived at the end of the road in Keddie. He owns a small red station wagon (this matches the description of Marty Smartt). Phillip did not know the other two men. After arriving in Keddie, Phillip said that while looking through a window of the Sharp residence he saw Johnny get his throat cut, Dana get hit over the head with a hammer, and Sue being choaked [sic]. Phillip said that at one point he ran to the Keddie Back Door Bar where he saw a man that was locking up the bar. He tried to tell the man what was happening. The man got into a blue car that looked like a Mercedes, and drove away. Phillip returned to the Sharp residence to try to help Tina. At one time he was hiding under the house and he scratched the license number from the pick-up onto the hot water heater. Phillip told of a long fight that ended up at Ganser Airport, where he got away. The three men still had Tina.
On 5-1-81, Sgt. Stoy checked the hot water heater under the Sharp residence. No license number was scratched on it.
On 5-4-81 I telephone Jack B., who locked up the Back Door Bar on the night of 4-11-81. He said no one tried to talk to him as he was leaving the bar. Jack said he might have been driving a bluish silver Mercedes on the night of 4-11-81. He drives a lot of different cars, and was trying to sell a Mercedes around 4-11-81. He said he would check his records to see if he could determine when he was driving the Mercedes.
Didn't see John & Dana 4/11/81, didn't go to Keddie that day, advised of rights & asked for lawyer, lawyer wanted immunity, said he was witness to 187's
Why didn't Glenna Meeks use this information in her "case" against Marty? Why doesn't DMAC? There is a ring of truth in this story. But how much information did he get at the Meeks' home while Justin was staying there?
Great points! That makes perfect sense that Stoy would notice the scissors while collecting the light bulb, and why they were missed previously during the evidence collection. You can really visualize it when you look at the photo you posted.
And you are so right, Mama Meeks was all about convincing people Marty was guilty and all the reasons why she felt that way. Why would she leave Phillip's story out, considering it pointed directly to Marty? Because it placed him at 28? Why did she never disclose Phillip was her nephew when his name came up?
Phillip has no alibi after being dropped off at the church. It's very possible he headed over to the Exxon. And very possible he ran into Johnny & Dana since we know they spent a good amount of time that evening around the Exxon.
Why did his attorney say he would talk if promised immunity??? Sounds as if his attorney thought Phillip's story had some truth to it. He knew about the scissors when no one else did. The question is how much of what we have seen Philip said is the truth vs. information he heard from the Meeks, Marilyn, and Justin? Itd be nice to read the report of Philip's interview to see what exactly was said.
Also, we know Phillip was discussing the murders & "collecting money for the victims" before the murders had been publicly reported. But do we really know if he had been in contact with the Meeks that morning to learn this info? Anyone know how close the church was to the liquor store? And does anyone know what type of relationship Mama Meeks had with Phillip? Seems strange to me Wade would drop him off at the church to break in and sleep it off rather than taking him to Wade's house. Especially since the older Meeks boys had their own entrance to their bedroom. Unless maybe Mama didnt want Phillip staying in her home?
There's a lot of things about Phillip to think about/consider:
1. Phillip was the adopted son her Glenna's sister (that she was so close to) and when we asked Blaine, in 2015 on 28 forum, why Phillip stayed in the church instead of at the Meeks he suggested it was because Phillip drank a lot and got crazy when he did and maybe Glenna didn't want the house destroyed by him.
2. Remember that Phillip was suspected of attempting to rape a Greenville female just the week before these murders (4-2-81).
3. Blaine also posted on the forum that Phillip had done the same thing to a girlfriend of his (Blaine's)
4. How do we know Phillip's not the one who told the Meeks about the murders?
5. What time did the ladies from the church say they found Phillip? What time was he seen in front of Sierra Liquors (which looks to me to be about a mile from the church and across the road from the Meeks).
6. Josh had the Phillip info when he made the documentary but did not include it and this is what he said when Phillips strange story was posted on the forum on November 24, 2010
Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II covers two confessions to the homicides: one in which the confessor provided accurate details, time frames and motive; and another in which the confessor provided almost no details at all. However, these weren't the only suspicious people connected to the Keddie Murders. One of these people that the documentary does not cover is a young man named Phillip.
Crazy that Josh didn't use this and was Sheila or the Meeks the reason he didn't (either way the Meeks would be the reason for not including it). Was Josh even told at the time who Phillip was?
7. Maybe Phillip chose to accuse Marty to keep from naming who he was actually with and he chose Marty because that's who the Meeks were talking about.
8. Marty told LE about Phillip just days after the murders (4-16-81) and even said Mona Lake would not let Phillip stay at her house. So that's a good indication that Phillip knew Dee and Marty through Wade - and none of them wanted him staying at their house.
9. Marty said on 4-16 that Phillip was in jail so when was he locked up and when was he released? Was he there from 4-12-81 until he talked to his mother on 4-29-81? If so he would have been in jail at the same time the "jailhouse exchange" occured on 4-18-81.
10. Phillip mentioned "scissors" to his mother on 4-29-81 and "window" to LE on 5-1-81 and by then Don Stoy had retrieved (4-21-81) a pair of scissors from the windowsill of 28 that to my knowledge nobody but LE ever knew about.
11. Phillip supposedly was a drunk, who was mean when drunk, who didn't like Dana, and had already attempted to rape a female the week before, and claimed to be at 28, but only as a bystander.
12. Looks to me like the Methodist church was about 800 - 1000 ft from the Exxon.
13. If he was dropped off at the church between 9- 9:45pm he had plenty of time to walk to the Exxon and be there before the boys were last seen.
14. If the boys were picked up at Kathy B's apartment then maybe the xxx bartender stopped at the Exxon and picked up Phillip too?
15. The Meeks had plenty of reasons not to want to be associated with Phillip and his "story".
16. Phillip is once again looking like an excellent suspect!!
*** The Meeks home looks to be about a mile from the Methodist Church and across the road from Sierra Liquors.
Wade Meeks & Grubert at her house 4/11/81, friend of Jan Stites
Seen Keddie area 4/12/81, stop to get beer enroute Taylorsville & see what's happening, knew John & Dana through Richard Meeks, FRC & Mary Bell's on 4/11/81
MEEKS, DALE ("WADE")
Info Martin & Marilyn Smartt & John Boubede, took Shearer to Square Dance at college, 4/11/81 he, Grubert & Shearer at FRC @ 1830, 2045 dropped Shearer at Methodist Church, Shearer "pretty drunk", 4/12/81 night he & Grubert took Indian friend of Shearer to Greenville
At M. Bell's night of 4/11/81, Meeks & Grubert came to see them, 4/12/81 found Shearer's belongings & half can of beer at Methodist Church
12:30 - 1:00AM Dale Meeks leaves Jan Stites and Mary Bell's house next door, and goes home.
Time unknown On Sunday morning, 4-12-81, Jan S. went to church at the Methodist Church on Church Street. When she arrived, a group of women told her that they had found Phillip S. sleeping in the high school room. Jan went to the high school room and found that pillows or cushions had been fashioned into a bed. Also she could smell Phillip's body odor. She also found his possessions and a half can of beer.
Here is a part of Marty's interview with Crim on 4-16-81 (not to be confused with the infamous 4-14-81 interview):
There is a young Indian in jail named Phil who is a little weird with women. Mona Lake who lives in Indian Falls wouldn't let Phil stay at her place.
Phil stayed at the Sharp home one time in January, 1981 that Martin knows about. Phil said he was going to Greenville. Martin ran into Phil in town and drove Phil to Keddie and was going to let Phil stay all night at his house but changes his mind. He said Sue Sharp then agrees to let Phil sleep in the basement of her house.
Martin said he heard Phil was in Keddie on Saturday night 4-11-81 and this information was from the Meeks boys. Dana and John had been at the Meeks home earlier in the day of 4-11-81.
I don't think this page of his interview is still available on Keddie28 FB - the original pages posted of the interview are still there except for this page.
On 4-16 (Thursday) Marty tells the police that THE MEEKS BOYS said Phillip was in Keddie on 4-11-81.
So how did the Meeks boys know that Phillip was in Keddie on 4-11-81 if Phillip was in jail by the 16th? Did Phillip come to their house Sunday morning before going across the road to Sierra Liquors? Is he the one who told the Meeks about the murders? Why did they try to hide their relationship with Phillip and the story he told??
Did Phillip not accompany Wade and Blaine to take his Indian friend home because there is no mention of him being with them. Was this because he was already in jail? Is Phillip or his "friend" the one who told them Phillip was in Keddie??
WHO was this Indian friend they took to Greenville??
Did Phillip leave the church and go to Exxon - where we know the boys were seen all night - and get a ride with them to Keddie by the same person who took the boys home?? Did this person not tell their story until 2017 NOT because of Kathy B but because they didn't want to accuse Phillip since it might look suspicious for them??
One thing that Phillip told in his story was that he got into the back of a truck with Johnny and Dana - if true then Phillip KNEW in 1981 what the police did not know until 2017 - that the boys were driven to Keddie and did not hitchhike or walk home.
That is a good question, was Phillip the one who told the Meeks about the murders vs. learning about it from the Meeks, as has been theorized. I think it's a real possibility. Wonder what time the women found him sleeping in the church. Must have been early, before Sunday services. That could explain Richard in Keddie early Sunday morning. Phillip goes to the Meeks after being kicked out the church and tells them something is going on in Keddie or at the Sharps. So Richard heads out looking for Dana. Mama always claimed she found out from LaRhonda who was staying overnight in Keddie. But we have since learned that Susie's father stated Susie was having a sleepover somewhere besides their house that night. So perhaps Mama did find out the way she claimed, just from Phillip and not LaRhonda. Some lies mixed in with some truth.
And not wanting to come forward because you knew someone else was with the boys when you dropped them off sounds like a believable scenario. Trying to protect Kathy because of her affair with Dana never made sense. Especially because PCSO already knew about it.
Was Philip in jail because of the rape? Or because of something else? I feel like we are always missing pieces of the puzzle. Wonder if PCSO spoke with Philip's friend from Greenville.
I think I saved that report with Marty & will post it.
I copied this from Meanie's forum. The fact Philip was still telling the same story years later & would become emotional, I think adds to the possibility there may be some truth to his claims.
Meanie Aug 08 '16#11
I have it as it was told to me. Keep in mind that it comes from a third party who allegedly heard it from Phillip years after the fact.
He said that he woke up from his evening out with the boys, in the church, and went to the store for a drink, where he ran into several men in a pickup truck. One of the men was Marty Smartt, the other fellow he didn't know. There might have been a third man; I am unclear on that. Johnny & Dana were in the truck bed. They convinced him to come along, and he went.
He passed out a second time and when he woke up he was alone, parked across the street from Cabin 28 and down the way a bit, half way between the store and Cabin 13. He watched a van circle the block and stop in front of Cabin 28 (at what point this happened, I don't know). It was implied but not expressly said that the men in the van took Tina, while the others stayed behind.
The next part you know. He walked up to Cabin 28 and looked through the window and watched part of the attack. He wanted to save Tina, couldn't, and ran away. Some of the men went after him.
The guy who told me this said that Philip would get drunk and cry, for years after the murders. His story always stayed the same and he never stopped telling it.
I do remember Meanie posting that and I do believe there was truth to his story. Whoever told her this was right about Phillip getting drunk for years after the murders because he had several DWI charges in Arizona/NM.
From MK's timeline:
[Police report, unknown time] 81-1456 - 664-261PC Suspect: Phillip S. Suspected of attempting to **** [name withheld] of Greenville on 4-2-81. Also later admitted to being at the Sharp residence during the homicide. Subject is 5150 and made up story of being at the Sharp residence. 664-261 PC still pending in Greenville case. No apparent connection with this subject and the Keddie homicides..
FRB May 20, 1981:
People vs. Phillip Shearer, breaking and entering with intent to commit rape, pleaded not guilty, trial set for June 29.
I don't see anything again in the FRB about Phillip after the May 20, 1981 FRB court date except in May 2001 when he was listed in the obituary of his mom's boyfriend/husband. At that time he was living in Arizona and died five months later. So I'm wondering did his mom have him committed after the murders and before the Greenville charges went to trial? What happened to Phillip and his story??
The timeline said that Phillip was later ID'd by the guy working at Sierra Liquors - so I'm thinking the guy didn't pick up the phone and immediately call LE or if he did then he didn't know who Phillip was - or Phillip was gone when LE got there so they had the guy ID Phillip when he was found to be sure - anyway he was in jail by the 16th when Marty was interviewed again by Crim.
Was Phillip involved? Who knows - the only thing I know is somebody was.