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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 6, 2021 17:15:54 GMT -6
Lucas was convicted of killing his mother in a domestic dispute. He later confessed to killing his underage common-law wife Frieda "Becky" Powell the niece of Ottis Toole, and her mother. But, is there ANY evidence that corroborates this confession any better than any of Henry's other "confessions?" Lucas "led police to the bodies." But, that's what he did in a lot of cases he'd been fed information about. And the remains have never actually been confirmed to be the missing two women. Nobody is really 100 percent sure he killed his mother.
And it wasn't just false confessions. It was the biggest three-ring media circus since Berkowitz confessed. And that was the biggest three ring media circus since Susan Atkins confessed.
So, how do we know Henry Lee Lucas ever really killed ANYBODY?
Know what I mean?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 7, 2021 10:16:42 GMT -6
That article is a perfect example of the single biggest mistake people make when investigating any kind of crime, let alone murder: So and so "could" have done it, or So and so "couldn't" have done it, based on their "personality analysis" or whatever the mumbo-jumbo is called at that moment. "Statement analysis," "body language," "polygraph," it's all hocus-pocus.
EVERYONE "could" be a serial killer. EVERYONE "could" become addicted to alcohol, gambling, cocaine, pornography, posting on internet discussion boards, you name it. There is no "serial killer" type, because there isn't even such a thing as a "serial killer."
There is such a thing as a compulsive murderer, but they're pretty rare. And they're not all sociopaths (although the ones who aren't sociopaths DO engage in some kind of dissociation--usually created in childhood--while they are murdering.) Beyond that, there are sociopaths. And that's it. Lucas was a sociopath. That much is clear. But most sociopaths aren't that much more likely to commit murder than the rest of us. The likelihood of a sociopath committing fraud or theft is off the scale. 50 percent of all criminals (or more) are sociopaths. And it's "easier" for a sociopath to commit murder when they have a normal motive. But the 80s character of the "normal-acting, charming, you'd never suspect him serial killer" is pretty much just based on one famous killer--Ted Bundy. And Bundy turns out be a dissociating, compulsive rapist who only murdered his victims out of fear of getting caught--and that ain't a sociopath. But diagnosing Lucas (or anyone else) as a sociopath is NOT evidence that they are "probably" a criminal, let alone a serial killer.
I just can't help wondering if Lucas even murdered "Becky" and her mother. If he could be talked into confessing to 300 murders, why not 302? And where did the idea come from to manipulate LUCAS into all these confessions? He sounds like exactly the same prison shrink profile of Charles Manson. And then there is the media circus that tries to make him even MORE like Manson. They're even from the same neck of the woods. I wonder if they had some of the same prison shrinks...Lucas, like Manson, had been a juvenile offender. I wonder if some "psychologist" spotted him the same way he spotted Manson...
And I can't help wondering who ELSE had a motive to murder Becky and/or her mother...
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Post by Morgana on Mar 20, 2021 16:29:19 GMT -6
It's interesting that Bush changed his execution to life. I believe he was one of the last things he did before stepping down from Governor.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 21, 2021 17:10:52 GMT -6
Yeah. Of ALL people, Dubya commuted the death sentence of, of ALL people, Henry Lee Lucas.
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Post by marionumber1 on Mar 21, 2021 23:25:08 GMT -6
Absolutely bizarre. It's not so strange that GWB did consider Lucas to be innocent of the Orange Socks murder, as virtually everyone other than Jim Boutwell saw that quite clearly. What's strange is that it was only Lucas, and not any other death row inmate, where GWB considered there to be cause for doubt about their conviction. If you watch The Confession Killer on Netflix, in episode 4 around 36:15, you will see a clip of Bush saying that he always asks himself if there is even a shred of doubt about the convict's guilt in each death row case that crosses his desk, and that Lucas is the very first convict (and evidently, seeing as GWB never recommended any further commutations, the last convict) where that happened. Given the incredibly dubious workings of the criminal justice system in Texas ( Chicago Tribune, "Flawed trials lead to death chamber", 2000/06/11), I am just going to have to call bullshit on that one. Indeed, if Lucas was able to be sentenced to death for a crime that was quite clearly not his doing and have that upheld all the way to the highest court in the land, that alone should have raised serious questions about the integrity of the other death row convictions in the state. But it seems that Dubya's concern was limited to Lucas alone. Here, as it happens, is some interesting background on the man who handled Lucas throughout the initial period of the Texas Rangers task force (from p.221 of Henry Lee Lucas by Dr. Joel Norris), emphasis mine: More specifically ( Taylor Daily Press, "Jim Boutwell Is Candidate", 1978/01/27 (pages 1, 10)), again emphasis mine: So it would appear that a known asset of US intelligence was handling Henry Lee Lucas to induce some rather dubious confessions. And it's interesting to note that CIA training camps of anti-Castro Cubans existed in the same location in Florida where Lucas claimed the Hand of Death training camps were. (By the way, Professor, I have to apologize for going on one of my hiatuses again! I know you've sent me some messages and I will get back to you as soon as I can. I'm really happy to see you're delving into the Lucas case as well.) |
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 22, 2021 13:26:43 GMT -6
Ooooooooohhhhh, no apologies necessary, sir! These are, as usual, nuggets of 24K gold!
You know what I don't see much of anywhere in Boutwell's bios? Experience as a COP.
I mentioned it briefly in the last episode, but Charlie and Henry were RAISED in the same Virginia branch of the Chicago Outfit--the one that literally bought the nomination for JFK. In fact, Joe Kennedy owed Giancana big, as it was Giancana who "took care" of Costello in New York for Joe Kennedy. Well, Giancana put out the contract for Costello. Ron DeFeo, Sr's uncle cashed it.
If any "mafia" did approach Ottis Toole about painting houses, peddling babies, and wheeling hot cars, it would have been Carlos Marcello's New Orleans mob--allies of Giancana from way back. Did I mention Jack Ruby? Did you mention Jack Ruby? Let's not forget to mention Jack Ruby. Let's not forget WHICH underworld industry took up Ruby's time--broads. Strippers, hookers, porn actresses, and blackmailers. I have zero doubt that Henry, who was raised as a child prostitute/child porn performer, had lured/dragged Frieda "Becky" Powell into porn. The difference between broads and dope is political--toxicology tests are time-sensitive. Photos and films last forever. And when you're in politics, you have to be able to blackmail people. And if you had blackmail photos of say, oh, let's go crazy, let's say, a young Laura Lane Welch in a compromising position with say, oh, let's get really crazy, let's say, Bill Clinton, back in their college days? (Laugh? Go ahead. I did, too. But, did you know Laura Bush's mother was from Little Rock?) Where would you get them? Who would take them? Who would keep them on file for years, waiting for the day when they might be worth something to someone? Or, maybe, photos of GHW Bush and Jennifer Fitzgerald BACK in the day? Hillary Rodham saw those photos and kneecapped GHW with them. People have forgotten all about that Vanity Fair article. Well, some people.
Speaking of Dubya, he was on a trip to West Virginia--that's right, WEST Virginia--when his Little-Rock born and bred mother-in-law told him something he's never talked about that suddenly changed his mind completely about his good friend and number one funder Lay and Enron.
Where was I? Oh, yeah. When Laura was in high school, she drunk-drove through a stop sign and killed her ["ex"]boyfriend. No charges were filed...
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Post by Morgana on Mar 22, 2021 19:08:14 GMT -6
I think there was more to it...Bush and Lucas are connected...there is something to what Lucas was saying regarding that hand of death cut etc...
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Post by marionumber1 on Apr 6, 2021 12:13:49 GMT -6
Professor, you mention of the Chicago syndicate is a very interesting one for a number of reasons. John Wayne Gacy is a serial killer who at times claimed directly to belong to the outfit, and even to be related to local mobster Tony Accardo. How much merit his claims have, I don't know, but his crawlspace does seem to have been a dumping ground for various criminal enterprises (some victims of John Norman's Delta Project, I would bet, and also perhaps John Butkovich who was rumored to be connected to Puerto Ricans in the drug trade). Better yet, his employee Michael Rossi, who was an accomplice of Gacy but got away with it, was reportedly the grandson of Chicago political boss Vito Marzullo, which is how he escaped murder charges and became state's evidence. The Matamoros drug cult of Adolfo Constanzo, which interestingly operated in a location that Henry Lee Lucas had identified as a cult center years before the case broke, was working on behalf of mob bosses in Chicago, and Constanzo was even rumored to have faked his death and been sighted in Chicago. And there is another possible mob connection with another self-proclaimed Hand of Death killer: Kenneth "Mad Dog" McKenna. It is in a rather pulpy true crime magazine, but nevertheless appears to be a firsthand account by McKenna who is a real child rapist sentenced to Florida State Prison: Fatal Vision Vol. 14, "HOWLING in Hell" interview of Mad Dog MacKenna by Gerard John Schaefer, 1992 (pages 36 and 37, 38). McKenna claims to have grown up in Chicago as the son of a prostitute (sounds familiar), and to have become a runner for the mob as a kid. He then became a pimp, and in the late 50s moved to Miami to set up shop there. Through his time in Florida, McKenna alleges to have been involved in contract killings (such as the murders of Caesar and Patty Vitale and Mike and Carla Papa), child pornography (with distributors like Mervyn Cross), and human trafficking. He also claims he met Lucas and Toole (presumably through the cult underworld), of whom he had a very low opinion, and Tony Accardo, who he considered a personal hero. Regarding the JFK assassination crowd, I should note that Lucas claimed to have been told that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Hand of Death member, and that he claimed to have been involved in a plot to kill Jimmy Carter ( p.5 of FD-302 of the 1984/05/14 FBI interview of Henry Lee Lucas about the cult):  Weirdly enough, there was a plot in Southern California to kill Carter around the same time, involving Raymond Lee Harvey who claimed to have been enlisted by a group of Mexicans including Osvaldo Espinoza Ortiz. There's that Mexican assassination squad rumor again... And finally, speaking of the Chicago mob, Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey's father was rumored to be a "traveling liquor salesman" in Chicago during Prohibition. If that can be confirmed, it would be quite interesting indeed. Especially since LaVey was already linked with another alleged political assassination attempt involving the Chicago mob ( Politico, "When the FBI Thought a High Priest of Satan Was Trying to Kill Ted Kennedy", 2020/01/12). |
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