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Post by Jon on Apr 4, 2021 12:18:38 GMT -6
I'm there if I can figure out the technology!
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 5, 2021 11:31:57 GMT -6
It's a simple app for phone or PC. Download and play with it and see what you think :-) We can always use something else, but I want to play with Zoom as part of a plan to have multiple guests on future episodes, anyway.
I was recently contacted by a listener who seems to know some very interesting things that I didn't know, and maybe you guys don't know, either. VERY interesting things, names, stories, etc, about Toronto.
Tom :-)
PS The next episode is going to be part I of Nugan Hand and CIA heroin smuggling...
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Post by elantric on Apr 5, 2021 14:42:56 GMT -6
I can be the real time search person -i typically find anything available swiftly
Someone recently killed my cat on railroad tracks-so I can relate
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on Apr 11, 2021 10:07:23 GMT -6
Has anyone read Carl's book yet? I interviewed him last year (off-air, sorry,) and I'm assuming I "know" everything that's in the book, but...and I'm still catching up on reading other books. Yes, I have read it.
It's an easy read and covers Carl's involvement with the "Son of Sam" case from his attack in October 1976 up until today. The book rehashes the known historical backgrounds of the eight Son of Sam attacks, his relationship with Maury Terry and current correspondence with David Berkowitz.
There are a few nuggets dropped here and there that seem new, but I wish there was more elaboration and details on these.
I don't want to ruin any parts of this new info here (for those who haven't read the book yet) but here are some vague references without giving away much in spoilers:
- Carl has narrowed the shooter in his attack down to possibly two different people. For a long time, he had only one name.
- The location of where the girls (Lomino/DeMasi) got off the bus, before the third Son of Sam attack, was slightly different than originally thought. Carl was told by a detective that a famous fast food chain restaurant was located near this bus stop, that was also prevalent in other attacks.
- In the back of the book, Carl recaps the cast of characters in the Son of Sam saga in alphabetical order. Some are real names. Some are the Maury pseudonym names. One name, that pops up in two different parts, is a famous name that supposedly worked with both Fred Cowan and Jack Cassara at Neptune Moving in New Rochelle. This name has been mentioned in the past as affiliated with the Son of Sam story, but I never heard this before about this person being affiliated with Neptune Moving.
I wish there was more elaboration on these in the book, but the book was a decent read overall.
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Post by Omega on Apr 23, 2021 12:57:31 GMT -6
OK, I received the new, re-released paperback version (yes, "old school"! I'm also typing this message from an old IBM Selectric typewriter!) of "The Ultimate Evil: The Search For The Sons of Sam" I haven't delved into the re-reading of the text yet, but have gone through an overview of the book and have compared it to the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition (Berkowitz photo on the cover alone. Red lettering against black backdrop one) My initial impression is that this new book is the same text as the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition (I'm noting this as the "B&N edition" in this post also). Some notes: - As noted and posted on page 1 of this thread, there is the new introduction by Josh Zeman added. - page numbering on the 1999 B&N edition is 538 total pages. New edition is 542 pages. It should be noted that the font on the new edition is slightly smaller than the B&N edition. - same pictures in both editions with some minor differences I've been thumbing through and eyeballing random parts/text of the new book and comparing it with the equivalent in the B&N edition and not seeing any differences or additions. There are now four versions of "The Ultimate Evil" that have been published. The first one is the "growling teeth dog" cover published by Doubleday. The second one is the cover with two photos - Manson and Berkowitz on it, published by Bantam Books. The third is the Barnes & Noble edition, which I noted the cover characteristics earlier and the fourth is the new re-released one with "The Search For The Sons Of Sam" added to the title. I would say if you only read the first ("growling teeth dog" cover) or second (Manson/Berkowitz picture cover), this new book is a must pickup and read since the B&N edition and the new book have an Epilogue in the back that has very valuable, updated information (again, it's the same info that was updated in 1999, but wasn't in the first two earlier books) If you have read the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition, I see no differences (so far!) outside of Josh Z.'s introduction and some cosmetic changes.
The Netflix documentary series is noted on the cover of the new book, so this re-release of "The Ultimate Evil" looks to be to get it out there in the public to coincide with the Netflix series. It was probably overdue - 22 years is a loooong time! And it makes it more convenient for people to get the book, especially in a Kindle format, and not have to go crazy to find old copies on ebay or Amazon.
Just an initial reaction. I will post any updates if I stumble upon significant differences in the text. |
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Post by justiceseeker on May 14, 2021 3:34:22 GMT -6
OK, I received the new, re-released paperback version (yes, "old school"! I'm also typing this message from an old IBM Selectric typewriter!) of "The Ultimate Evil: The Search For The Sons of Sam" I haven't delved into the re-reading of the text yet, but have gone through an overview of the book and have compared it to the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition (Berkowitz photo on the cover alone. Red lettering against black backdrop one) My initial impression is that this new book is the same text as the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition (I'm noting this as the "B&N edition" in this post also). Some notes: - As noted and posted on page 1 of this thread, there is the new introduction by Josh Zeman added. - page numbering on the 1999 B&N edition is 538 total pages. New edition is 542 pages. It should be noted that the font on the new edition is slightly smaller than the B&N edition. - same pictures in both editions with some minor differences I've been thumbing through and eyeballing random parts/text of the new book and comparing it with the equivalent in the B&N edition and not seeing any differences or additions. There are now four versions of "The Ultimate Evil" that have been published. The first one is the "growling teeth dog" cover published by Doubleday. The second one is the cover with two photos - Manson and Berkowitz on it, published by Bantam Books. The third is the Barnes & Noble edition, which I noted the cover characteristics earlier and the fourth is the new re-released one with "The Search For The Sons Of Sam" added to the title. I would say if you only read the first ("growling teeth dog" cover) or second (Manson/Berkowitz picture cover), this new book is a must pickup and read since the B&N edition and the new book have an Epilogue in the back that has very valuable, updated information (again, it's the same info that was updated in 1999, but wasn't in the first two earlier books) If you have read the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition, I see no differences (so far!) outside of Josh Z.'s introduction and some cosmetic changes.
The Netflix documentary series is noted on the cover of the new book, so this re-release of "The Ultimate Evil" looks to be to get it out there in the public to coincide with the Netflix series. It was probably overdue - 22 years is a loooong time! And it makes it more convenient for people to get the book, especially in a Kindle format, and not have to go crazy to find old copies on ebay or Amazon.
Just an initial reaction. I will post any updates if I stumble upon significant differences in the text. If you have your 1999 edition handy (I'd check mine, but it's in my storage unit), perhaps you can answer a question... In the epilogue, how old does it say "Mr. Real Estate" was at the time of his death? Because if one goes by the new book, it states he was 76 at time of death in 1996...and that doesn't match Howell. |
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Post by Omega on May 14, 2021 6:11:03 GMT -6
If you have your 1999 edition handy (I'd check mine, but it's in my storage unit), perhaps you can answer a question... In the epilogue, how old does it say "Mr. Real Estate" was at the time of his death? Because if one goes by the new book, it states he was 76 at time of death in 1996...and that doesn't match Howell. Hey Justice
The Epilogues of both the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition and the current 2021 re-release edition of "The Ultimate Evil" are exactly the same - "Mr. Real Estate" was 76 at time of death in 1996. (I wonder if anyone has ever found that "tiny death notice in early 1996" that Maury alludes to)
Like I mentioned prior, there is no difference between the 1999 Barnes & Noble and current 2021 of "TUE" (that I at least have stumbled upon yet) outside of the introduction by Josh Zeman.
On your other post, the handle names by some posters on the Kidkenoma blog are worth the price of admission alone! Some have really gone "off the rails" and to the extreme recently! Entertaining reads though, at the very least, if you can take the sarcasm and tongue in cheek references!
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gv889
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Post by gv889 on May 14, 2021 6:39:34 GMT -6
I was under the assumption that Mr Howell was the Top Banana of the Yonkers Cult but there seems to be some speculation of a Mr D-----n being the head honcho. It seems Manny Grossman mentioned this in the Youtube comment section of one of his video's. would anyone care to expand upon that? Was Mr D the attorney from White Plains that Maury wrote about in TUE?
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Post by justiceseeker on May 14, 2021 7:28:36 GMT -6
If you have your 1999 edition handy (I'd check mine, but it's in my storage unit), perhaps you can answer a question... In the epilogue, how old does it say "Mr. Real Estate" was at the time of his death? Because if one goes by the new book, it states he was 76 at time of death in 1996...and that doesn't match Howell. Hey Justice
The Epilogues of both the 1999 Barnes & Noble edition and the current 2021 re-release edition of "The Ultimate Evil" are exactly the same - "Mr. Real Estate" was 76 at time of death in 1996. (I wonder if anyone has ever found that "tiny death notice in early 1996" that Maury alludes to)
Like I mentioned prior, there is no difference between the 1999 Barnes & Noble and current 2021 of "TUE" (that I at least have stumbled upon yet) outside of the introduction by Josh Zeman.
On your other post, the handle names by some posters on the Kidkenoma blog are worth the price of admission alone! Some have really gone "off the rails" and to the extreme recently! Entertaining reads though, at the very least, if you can take the sarcasm and tongue in cheek references!
Hey, Thanks for confirming...I really wasn't looking forward to possibly having to dig around for hours to find my copies...although I still might. Have you seen the asking prices online for the first three versions? Re:the death notice...I think I've looked through the obit pages of nearly every moderately sized paper from the Tri-State area in that timeframe...no luck. I've also looked through dozens of online sites catalogueing death notices and again, no luck. And using that intel as the search parameters, I've found numerous Donovans...just none with a birth year that would fall in the right range. As to the Kidkenoma posts...I love black comedy, I do, but there's something...off...about some of those posts. And there isn't a chance in hell I'd click on any of those links or vids posted. |
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Post by justiceseeker on May 14, 2021 7:54:48 GMT -6
I was under the assumption that Mr Howell was the Top Banana of the Yonkers Cult but there seems to be some speculation of a Mr D-----n being the head honcho. It seems Manny Grossman mentioned this in the Youtube comment section of one of his video's. would anyone care to expand upon that? Was Mr D the attorney from White Plains that Maury wrote about in TUE? Could be dealing with 3 or 4 different persons or personalities:
1. "Mr. Real Estate" 2. "Moloch" 3. "Mr. D." 4. "Donovan" (if not "Mr. D." or "Mr. RE"??)
Or..........as Father Merrin said "There is only one.............." (another "Exorcist" reference.....Sorry!)
I'm under the same impression...as I mentioned before, I think it's very possible that over the years "Mr. D" and "Mr. Real Estate" got conflated into one...and now there's mass confusion. That said...there's got to be a Donovan reference in Maury's files somewhere...I mean, how else can one explain Josh Zeman's choice of "Season of the Witch", written by Donovan Leitch, being used as the opening credits music? Sheer coincidence? Better get some more Exorcist references ready...I had a German Shepherd named Satan growing up...got it in May of 1976...from a kennel in upstate NY... |
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Post by Omega on May 14, 2021 8:13:55 GMT -6
Better get some more Exorcist references ready...I had a German Shepherd named Satan growing up...got it in May of 1976...from a kennel in upstate NY... No "Exorcist" reference this time, in regards to your German Shepherd
But, I will use a quote from "The Ultimate Evil", when Maury and his friend, George Austin, along with a bartender, are discussing the house on Van Duzer Street in Staten Island that Veronica Lueken claimed Rockman lived in and Black Masses were performed and the bartender said he lived in the EXACT SAME house/address one time, George responds:
"Search this man for dog biscuits"
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Post by justiceseeker on May 14, 2021 12:33:46 GMT -6
Better get some more Exorcist references ready...I had a German Shepherd named Satan growing up...got it in May of 1976...from a kennel in upstate NY... No "Exorcist" reference this time, in regards to your German Shepherd
But, I will use a quote from "The Ultimate Evil", when Maury and his friend, George Austin, along with a bartender, are discussing the house on Van Duzer Street in Staten Island that Veronica Lueken claimed Rockman lived in and Black Masses were performed and the bartender said he lived in the EXACT SAME house/address one time, George responds:
"Search this man for dog biscuits"
After '77, whenever people asked why his name was Satan, I just responded, "I dunno, that's what he told me his name was." Suffice to say...most weren't amused. |
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