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Post by elantric on Dec 11, 2020 15:25:00 GMT -6
Here is Oranchak's "solved" 340 text: I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FUN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME THAT WASNT ME ON THE TV SHOW WHICH BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT ME I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER BECAUSE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADICE ALL THE SOONER BECAUSE I NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORK FOR ME WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARADICE SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF DEATH I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE IS LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH www.sfchronicle.com/crime/amp/Zodiac-340-cypher-cracked-by-code-expert-51-years-15794943.php
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 11, 2020 18:48:18 GMT -6
Well, the History Channel (or some production company the work with) has spent a fortune promoting this for an upcoming documentary on the subject. So, everyone has been told it's "the true solution." They even got someone in the FBI to jump on board. Well, that suits me just fine, because the ONLY thing I could find that MIGHT prove me "wrong" about the letters being some kind of hoax was the 340. Did it contain any information about any real murder? Like the names and graves of the two August 1969 victims hinted at in one letter? Nope. The bus station locker where police could find Paul Stine's wallet and keys? Nope. The location where the "bus bomb" could be dug up? Nope. Just more mumbo-jumbo about "slaves in paradice."
so, I whole-heartedly endorse this "solution." Way to go Dave Oranchak!
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Post by dt2016 on Dec 11, 2020 19:43:19 GMT -6
Posted on another thread, you can remove that one if you want. You don't believe it?
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 11, 2020 22:19:53 GMT -6
Believe what? They don't actually show their work, only their "solution." With a very vague description of what sounds an awful lot like the "Bible code." Remember that one? It works on any text, if you run enough iterations. Which looks, from their own video, like pretty much what they did. Or some variation. They DO show a lot of fudging. A LOT of fudging. And Oranchak wildly exaggerates his knowledge of cryptanalysis. He doesn't even seem to know the difference between "code," "cipher," and "encryption."
Of course, I'm not convinced that the 340 even contains a message.
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Post by johnreno on Dec 11, 2020 23:22:07 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 12, 2020 7:42:09 GMT -6
Another Corey Starliper. Several years ago, I contacted Oranchak to see if he and his buddies would be interested in the "hash string encryption" method Hal learned during the war. It turned out he didn't really know anything about cryptanalysis.
Their solution is just too convenient. It's just more gobbledegook about "paradice slaves" so how can it possibly be "wrong?" Especially when they don't show their work?
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Post by moochops on Dec 12, 2020 8:57:08 GMT -6
Mr Horan. Hasn’t the FBI confirmed this as a genuine solve though? I would be interested to hear why you think otherwise.......
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 12, 2020 9:41:55 GMT -6
Well, yes, it appears they have. That's GOOD news for me, because this "solution," if it really is correct, proves me right about the letters being a hoax. IF--if, if, if, if, if, if, if--IF the 340 had contained some actual information about an actual murder, then maybe I was wrong. But it doesn't. In one letter, he seems to claim two victims for August 1969. Does the 340 contain their names? Or ANY other information about these two "victoms?" Nope. Does it tell police where to find the .22, or the "9mm Luger," or any other murder weapon, or evidence? Like, a bus station locker with Paul Stine's wallet and keys in it? Nope. Does it tell us the location of the bus bomb so we can dig it up and prove Zodiac was not a hoax? Nope. Does it prove ANYTHING about ANYTHING? Nope. Just more gobbledegook about "paradice slaves." That's it.
So, I HOPE they're right.
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Post by moochops on Dec 12, 2020 9:55:20 GMT -6
That’s all true. But regardless, this is still an achievement to be savoured. An important moment in the Zodiac timeline. Even if the author wasn’t actually the murderer.
Half a century later. Wow......
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Post by moochops on Dec 12, 2020 10:07:09 GMT -6
Just to clarify. I was saying that I agree with the points you make. Not that it proves your theory that the ciphers were a hoax.
You said yourself that it doesn’t prove ANYTHING about ANYTHING.......
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Post by sierra on Dec 12, 2020 11:47:06 GMT -6
I can accept the solution. It proves once again that the Zodiac charter just needs attention and likes to waste people's time. There is nothing useful in the 340 code.
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Post by moochops on Dec 12, 2020 12:01:39 GMT -6
sierra Let the dust settle. This is a huge accomplishment. I don’t understand why it’s being downplayed. Author and killer. Or just the author? It doesn’t matter. Massive kudos to Oranchak, Blake and Van Eycke.
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Post by sierra on Dec 12, 2020 13:53:01 GMT -6
sierra Let the dust settle. This is a huge accomplishment. I don’t understand why it’s being downplayed. Author and killer. Or just the author? It doesn’t matter. Massive kudos to Oranchak, Blake and Van Eycke. Yes it is a huge accomplishment. I think those 3 guys did an awsome job. I couldn't do it. I am not downplaying their work. I am downplaying the message. It is like the Sunday Comics section of the newspaper with the kiddie decoder message. After you decode the message your knowledge has increased by zero. As T.H. stated, there is nothing in the code that proves the letter wrighter killed anyone. That is why they are not afraid of the gas chamber.
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Post by sierra on Dec 12, 2020 14:26:17 GMT -6
This is my guess what the entire message should read. Dave's ending wasn't right. His last line said
"I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE IS LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH"
The out of place "IS LIFE" needs to be put on the end after DEATH.
I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FUN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME THAT WASNT ME ON THE TV SHOW WHICH BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT ME I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER BECAUSE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADICE ALL THE SOONER BECAUSE I NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORK FOR ME WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARADICE SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF DEATH I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH IS LIFE .
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Post by sierra on Dec 12, 2020 14:33:43 GMT -6
This is my guess what the entire message should read. I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FUN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME THAT WASNT ME ON THE TV SHOW WHICH BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT ME I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER BECAUSE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADICE ALL THE SOONER BECAUSE I NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORK FOR ME WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARADICE SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF DEATH I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH IS LIFE . . If any of the above message can be attributed to the tribal beliefs where Hal Snook worked during WWII, then it could help prove Snook was involved with the letter writting.
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