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Post by hope on Nov 11, 2020 23:48:44 GMT -6
Original Police Document - Shanks Report on Sightings of Johnny and Dana Pages 1-2:
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Post by hope on Nov 11, 2020 23:49:41 GMT -6
Original Police Document - Shanks Report on Sightings of Johnny and Dana Pages 3-4:
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Post by hope on Jul 4, 2021 18:58:51 GMT -6
I know we've talked about this at length on other threads throughout the forum. However, I wanted to include this here since it is pertinent to this report of Shanks'.
Kathy Beckley was interviewed by Shanks sometime shortly after the murders. This is the woman, along with xxx bartender, who 37 years later admitted to riding the Johnny & Dana home that night. No questions asked apparently. Their new story & reasons believed as is. Despite some obvious discrepancies & questions regarding the reasoning for their deception.
As seen in her April 1981 interview, Beckley did not inform LE she knew who rode the boys home & had arranged this ride. In fact, she told LE J&D were going to hitchhike to Keddie & that she had heard that Donna William's ended up riding them. So, she withheld information, lied, misled LE and tried to point them in a different direction. Away from her. Why? Her reason for this, told in 2017 or after to Gamberg, is BS. She/she & xxx bartender lied in 81 and are still lying. They are hiding something, no other way to say it.
We had a lot of good discussions going regarding this. And I have lots of questions & thoughts, so I think it deserves it's own thread. Until then, these are my main thoughts at this moment:
• Beckley claimed she didn't ride the boys home or admit to arranging the ride home because she didnt want to be seen with Dana, was embarrassed of the affair & afraid LE would find out.
This is an obvious lie because: 1.) LE already knew of the affair. 2.) She admitted they were at her apartment so why lie about/hide the ride info? 3.) She most certainly wasn't embarrassed or trying to hide things when she went to the high school to confront Dana's new 15 year old girlfriend (Alysa) over a necklace she had given Dana.
Doesn't sound like her affair with Dana is what she was trying to hide. But sure sounds like they were trying to hide something.
• So, J&D supposedly returned to Beckley's at 9-9:30, she "gave in" and ride arrangements were made. What were they doing between then & 11-11:30pm, when dropped off at Keddie?
• Why was Dana really involved with Beckley?
• What were J&D really up to that night. We are supposed to believe they spent an entire Saturday night bouncing back & forth between "begging" Beckley for a ride & trying to catch a ride hitchhiking? When all the other kids were at a party at Mt Hough. Begging Beckley & hitchhiking was more fun than that? Please.
There is a huge part of Beckley's and xxx bartenders story missing. Something they are still hiding. Either they were all up to something they didn't want LE to know about, know what happened, who & why, or were involved. Beckley was not only one of the last people to see J&D alive, but she lied multiple times, tried her hardest to point suspicion away from her & onto other people, spread rumors about every victim to make it appear as if they were involved with questionable people & activities....and had motive due to her relationship with Dana. And apparently had an uncontrollable jealous streak (still can't get that image of her busting into the high school out of my head! 🤣).
That's just the tip of the iceberg in regards to she and xxx bartender. I really hope Gamberg questioned them on everything. Asked about these discrepancies & why it took 37 years to admit the ride. Sure, claims can be made that their stories were independently confirmed, with no time for them to speak to one another between phone calls. But they had 37 years to come up with a "joint alibi", ready to go when that phone call did eventually come. (Anyone have a cringy pseudonym for their joint alibi 🤣).
From the old reports it sounds as if Beckley & xxx bartender had heard the rumors of Marty being involved & every story they told was changed to "oh no, I didn't say that, it was Marty Smartt I was talking about ". "I didnt say someone else ate puppies. It was definitely Marty. Marty Smartt, he said he'd eat my puppy. It happened at the FRC". Jeeze, what a joke.
Beckley managed the arcade? Was this in 81? If so, explains how she met Dana. Who else was she in contact with? 100% Richard and that's why come July every rumor, past & present, she had spread now involved Marty.
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Post by kmik on Jul 5, 2021 10:43:29 GMT -6
I think Hope summed it up perfectly when she said:
Regardless of how many times it's been said that the ride was reported in 1981 we have yet to see this 1981 report. There were alot of "sightings" of J&D that night so saying they "saw" the boys is not the same as saying they took them home.
If xxx told it in 1981 and Kathy confirmed it in a 2017 phone call with Mike, then Mike had no need to quickly make the calls back to back to keep them from calling each other and getting their stories straight - they had had 37 years to do just that.
Let's continue to focus on:
*Why was it spread around that Tina was pregnant and Marty was the father
*Why LE was told that Marty liked to eat puppies
*Who started the rumor that Marty and Sue were having an affair
*Was xxx in a typing class with Marty and Sue - that means the 3 of them in the same typing class in the same semester? (and I'm not interested in any class that Linda Gamberg was in)
*Who was the other "Sue" (Marilyn?) If I involved myself in a fight between a woman and her ex husband I'd hope to at least know her last name.
*Why was Karl in Keddie
*Why did Joey say he took them home
*Why did the boys spend 5 hours waiting for a ride 7 miles up the road?
*Did the boys call home from Kathy's because they knew they were getting a ride home around 11:00-11:30? (Ricky said Nina called around 9:00pm and said the boys would be home - was it Nina?)
*What were the boys doing for 2 hours while waiting for this "ride"? (making small talk with Kathy over Tab colas - for 2 hours?)
*I see zero chance that Dana was or had been dating Kathy, maybe a fling for a reason, but they certainly could not have been a couple and I see zero chance Kathy was worried about someone seeing her riding in the same vehicle as Dana - at night - especially when they were at her apartment in the broad daylight.
If there is nothing up with Kathy and xxx then produce the 1981 report in full. That should have been posted a year ago - unless there's a problem with the story
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Post by hope on Jul 5, 2021 12:38:21 GMT -6
Yes! Excellent point! I don't believe any such report exists. Because Beckley or xxx bartender never told about the ride in 81. They didn't tell that story until 2017 via the phone calls with Gamberg. If a report from 81 existed it would have been posted. Instead, this is the report Dmac is claiming as proof. Except it's not proof of anything. You are 100% correct, 'last to see John & Dana alive' is not the same as telling LE she was the one to ride the boys home that night. Yet, Dmac sees it as proof PCSO knew and covered it up. Not true, nothing but speculation, his interpretation of Wright's report. What did xxx bartender really say? Why is this newest report cropped? Could it be because of instead of saying she rode them home she told LE she "saw" them that night? One of the many sightings of John & Dana that night. She & Beckley "hid, buried, covered up" the fact they rode J&D home that night, not LE. Plain and simple. But why? And, her mentioning of "the affair", that's not convincing either. It sounds like she barely knew any of the people she mentioned in the report. Who is "the other Sue" fighting wit her ex-husband? She didnt know that last name? She states Sue goes with a Marty Smartt. That is not the same as having an affair. Sounds like an out in the public relationship. It sounds like she was confusing (or purposely confusing) Sue & Marilyn. We are supposed to believe Sue & Marty were having such an open affair, "two semesters ago", at FRC where Marilyn also attended yet she didn't find out about it until March/April 81 (when she made Marty commit murder to prove his love for her)? Okayyyy sure. Excellent questions kmik! Let's keep digging. It all ties together. I personally feel Spang does connect to their story, even if it's just knowledge of something. And I do believe drugs were involved, connected all these people together, and why Dana was wasting his time with Beckley. Anyone have any thoughts of the items kmik brought up? Bottom line, not only did Beckley & xxx bartender lie and withhold information for 37 years, they tried their best to spread rumors about the victims (their supposed friends) and point LE attention away from them. Their behavior is suspect to say the least. EDIT: What does Delizio say in his statement? Bet it contains what xxx bartender was really saying. What she was telling acquaintances vs what she told LE by the time they came around to interview her.
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Post by kmik on Jul 5, 2021 15:32:35 GMT -6
Thank you for those reports! And yes if a woman who didn’t even know the Sue she intervened for then why is everyone so sure she knew Sue Sharp well enough to say she was “going with” Marty?
If Sheila “masterminded” these murders using Marty as a hit man with his own alleged motive then why not do the hit on Thursday night when Sue was returning from Dareyl’s house? Or better yet why not get Sue AND Darryl AT Dareyl’s house without having to worry about the kids in 28? Two would have been much easier to restrain than four and zero witnesses to deal with.
Sue was with Darryl for hours with the kids left at 28 alone what a perfect opportunity for Shelia to call Marty with the go ahead to make the hit?
Why wait for the weekend when Keddie was busy???
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Post by karis on Jul 5, 2021 20:37:10 GMT -6
The plan would have worked out much better on Thursday because Dee and Wade were already at Marty's house. Why didn't Sheila and Marty think of that? Sheila left at 28 babysitting, again, and Marty at 26 with a house full of accompolices
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