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Silveria
Oct 17, 2020 23:31:57 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 17, 2020 23:31:57 GMT -6
He confessed, nobody can seem to put him away at the time. I know he was questioned while in custody, I believe he confessed to a cell mate. He claimed at the time to have killed 22 and been present for the murders of 18. For some reason, I feel like it might be possible to connect him to Dana.
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Post by hope on Oct 18, 2020 12:49:13 GMT -6
I'd love to hear your thoughts and any info you may have on Silveria!
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Silveria
Oct 18, 2020 16:16:24 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 18, 2020 16:16:24 GMT -6
Another from Marilyn.funny thing, I remember reading on a board where someone had posted something to the effect of, "ask Marilyn about so and so! found dead on the mountain!" Apperantly because she was a forester and the poster believed she discovered the body (she didn't). But here's what she wrote." My ex (Skip) lived in the apartment down and behind the one I lived in after the murders. His step-daughter, Cindy was dating Robert Silveria. I remember he was a beautiful artist as he drew her a beautiful bird picture while in the plumas county jail (I believe it was drug charges). Also at a later date ( it must have been 1985-86) I worked at Beno's Family Appareal, as a sales clerk. Cala Marshall also worked there. Her son's wife got involved with Robert and Cala's son ended up in a scuffle with Robert. Later that night her son committed suicide on the Mt Hough Road. Cala and Bub never believed that and it was very suspicious. For one thing, his death was from carbon minoxide poisning. He supposedly ran a hose from the exaust pipe into the front window, however it had rained very hard, and it was a dirt road. There was no mud on his shoes or clothes. Their question was, "how does a person hook-up a hose under the car and not get mud on his shoes or knees"? I'm not positive about the year, but the reason I have brought this up is it has been posted that Robert Silviera was in prison when the Keddie murders took place. I did'nt meet Skip untill Dec of 1981 when he asked if he could borrow my xmas tree permitt. I met Skip at the Meeks house. Skip and I did'nt get together until Jan of 1982. I remember this because my BD is the same as his ex-wifes, Dec 27 and we celebrated it at her house. I did'nt care for Skip and made some snide remark to him when he was leaving Sharon's house. HERES ANOTHER MEMORY" I dont believe this was a murder, or silveria had any involvement. Just interesting she was acquainted with a very violent man, in a small community where her son had witnessed an extremely violent murder.
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Post by hope on Oct 18, 2020 17:53:36 GMT -6
Wow! No kidding, the connections between all these people are insane. And thank you for posting that. I remember Valley Flyer posting something along the lines of "Ask Marilyn about the guy who crossed Silveria and supposedly committed suicide that same night." I was always wondered what that was about.
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Silveria
Oct 19, 2020 3:39:08 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 19, 2020 3:39:08 GMT -6
Middle of the night "aha", the airfield. IMO it probably means nothing, but I believe they both committed crimes at the airfield. I believe silveria was glembezzling gas funds and earlier dana did some property damage.
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Post by hope on Oct 19, 2020 12:02:59 GMT -6
Lol...middle of the night is always good for that! I read up on him this morning and saw he worked at the airport and the fairgrounds. I'd only remembered he was a county employee. So I had an aha moment too..."that's the possible connection Snoho mentioned " : )
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 13, 2021 23:48:03 GMT -6
I tried up loading this pdf I found interesting, didn't work out so well so I'll copy and paste with the authors/student researchers names for credit. Serial killer researched by O’Linda Smith, Shannon Solliday, Casey Spencer, and Ashley Taylor Department of Psychology Radford University Radford, VA 24142-6946 Date Age Life Event 03-03-1959 0 Born in Redwood City, California 11 Skipped school, expelled, and experimented with drugs 12 Caught robbing neighbor’s home Moved Beat up in a park by one white kid and 2 black kids 14 Started to use drugs heavily High school Robbed a drug dealer 20s Took father’s truck and had a felony auto theft 21 Left his home in California 22 Killed first victim (not in series) 5/19/84 25 Married first wife Nov. 85’ 26 Separated from his first wife 1986 27 Got back with his first wife and had a daughter 04-09-1989 30 Bludgeoned to death Anthony Garcia (HM, 62) in West Sacramento, CA Nov. 90’ 31 Remarried 1991 31-32 Joined the Freight Train Riders of America (FTRA) April 91’ 32 Left second wife 07/08/1992 33 Bludgeoned to death Darren Royal Miller (19) near Thompson Springs, UT 04/28/1994 35 Bludgeoned to death Willie Clark (BM, 52) near Tallahassee, FL 08/02/1994 35 Beat Michael Garfinkle (WM, 20) to death near Emeryville, CA 04/21/1995 36 Bludgeoned Roger Bowman (38) to death in Salt Lake City, UT 07/17/1995 36 Started working at the Double D Ranch 07/22/1995 36 Killed James McLean (50) near Albany, CA 07/26/1995 36 Killed Charles Randall Boyd in Ellsworth County, KS Oct. 95’ 36 Killed drug dealer in Arizona 10/15/1995 36 Killed Paul Wayne Matthews (43) in Whitefish, MT 12/01/1995 36 Killed William Avis Pettit Jr. (39) in Millersburg, OR 12/06/1995 36 Killed Michael A. Clites (24) in Portland, OR 12/23/1995 Killed Michael A. Brandolino 03/02/1996 Arrested at a railroad by a railroad officer who recognized him as being wanted 03/12/1996 38 Indicted in Salem. Oregon 01/06/1998 38 Trial began in Oregon 01/30/1998 Plead guilty as part of a plea bargain in Oregon 02/17/1998 Plead guilty as part of a plea bargain in Kansas 05/20/1998 39 Plead guilty as part of a pleas bargain in Florida
General Information Sex Male Race White Number of victims Confessed to 47, suspected of 14, convicted of 3 Country where killing occurred United States States where killing occurred OR, MT, UT, WA, CA, AZ, KS, FL, ID (28+ states) Type of killer Disorganized Thrill and Missionary Height 6’1” Childhood Information Date of birth March 3, 1959 Location Redwood City, CA Birth order 2nd of 4 Number of siblings 3 (1 sister, 2 brothers) and a half-brother XYY? N/A Raised by Both parents Birth category Middle Parent’s marital status Married Family event N/A Age of family event N/A Problems in school? Skipping school and expelled Teased while in school? Beat up once Physically attractive? “ruggedly handsome” Physical defect? No Speech defect? No Head injury? Possibility- beat up in park Physically abused? Father physically abused him to “straighten him out” Psychologically abused? No Sexually abused? No Father’s occupation Worked in Airline, supervisor Age of first sexual experience N/A Age when first had intercourse N/A Mother’s occupation Worked in Airline, catering department Father abused drugs/alcohol No Mother abused drugs/alcohol No Cognitive Ability Highest grade in school 12 Highest degree Diploma Grades in school Poorly IQ N/A Work History Served in the military? No Branch N/A Type of discharge N/A Saw combat duty N/A Killed enemy during service? N/A Applied for job as a cop? No Worked in law enforcement? No Fired from jobs? Yes; embezzlement Types of jobs worked Luggage handler, airport manager, roofer, and Christian missionary camp Employment status during series Unemployed Relationships Sexual preference Heterosexual Marital status Divorced 2 times Number of children 1 daughter Lives with his children No Living with Himself and FTRA members Triad Animal torture Yes; killed kitten by throwing it across a cactus and stabbed a victim’s dog Fire setting No Bed wetting No Killer Psychological Information Abused drugs? Yes; heroin, pot, crack and methamphetamines Abused alcohol? Yes Been to a psychologist? Yes; in Vancouver and they told him to leave Time in forensic hospital? Yes Diagnosis No psychological diagnosis given-(Greed) Killer Criminal History Committed previous crimes? Yes; robbed neighbors home, felony auto theft, motorcycle theft and burglary Spend time in jail? 1 year Spend time in prison? No Killed prior to series? Age? Yes; 22 Serial Killing Number of victims 47 Victim type Drug dealers, veterans, FTRA members, and other male railroad-riders Killer age at start of series 36 Gender of victims Male Race of victims White, Hispanic, and Black Age of victims 19, 20, 24, 38, 39, 50, 52, 62 Method of killing Beat head in (goon stick, pipe, 2x4, concrete slab, fence post, and his boots) Type of serial killer Disorganized Thrill and Missionary How close did killer live? Close to railways (where he lived) Killing occurred in home of victim? Yes-railroads were usually his victim’s home Killing occurred in home of killer? Yes-rails were his home Weapon Brought with him and found at the scene Behavior During Crimes Rape? No Tortured victims? No, except one time when it was with two other people Stalked victims? No Overkill? Yes Quick & efficient? Yes Used blindfold? No Bound the victims? No After Death Behavior Sex with the body? No Mutilated body? No Ate part of the body? No Drank victim’s blood? No Posed the body? No Took totem – body part No Took totem – personal item Yes Robbed victim or location Yes Disposal of Body Left at scene, no attempt to hide Yes Left at scene, hidden No Left at scene, buried No Moved, no attempt to hide Yes Moved, buried No Cut-op and disposed of No Moved, too home No Sentencing Date killer arrested March 2, 1996 Date convicted January 30th, February 17th, and May 20th 1998 Sentence Life in prison without parole because he made plea bargain Killer executed? No Did killer plead NGRI? No Was the NGRI plea successful? N/A Name and state of prison Oregon State Penitentiary, Oregon Killer committed suicide? No Killer killed in prison? No Date of death N/A References Palmini, W. G., & Chalupa, T. (2004). Murder on the rails: The true story of the detective who unlocked the shocking secrets of the Boxcar Serial Killer. NY: Horizon Press.
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Post by hope on May 9, 2021 16:48:54 GMT -6
Snoho, I somehow missed this pdf you posted. I honestly didn't realize how many victims Silveria had. Seeing those dates, it makes you realize how "active" he was. 3x a month a couple of times. And he is categorized as disorganized, thrill killer. And method of murder involved beating about the head, with whatever was available it sounds like.
Do you know who his first victim at age 22 was? Or where the murder took place? That was before he began lis life on the rails. Those people became his victims because that was the life he was living. But what about the murders before he began that life?
I guess I always assumed he killed a few people over disputes while riding the rails. He really wasn't that much older than Dana. Other than the fairgrounds/airport was there a confirmed connection between Dana & Silveria? It was before my time, but I remember discussion of it way back when. I only caught references to old conversations when they were brought up again. I remember Valley Flyer especially questioning/mentioing the Silveria & Dana connection.
And thank you for posting that old post from Marilyn. I love reading the old stuff. Especially now, knowing so much more than I did back then. Such a shame most of it is lost now. If you have any other old posts saved I'd love to read them. I wonder who Skip's stepdaughter was or her age, if she was close to Johnny & Dana's age. Just shows how much everyone knew everyone around Plumas County.
Silveria confessed to the murders. But then they discovered he was locked up or away at the time? As I said, I've never knew much about him but its hard to ignore a serial killer in the area at the time. Who also happened to confessed. I don't discount anything in this case. My mind is currently in a different angle but there is just so much craziness with this case, so many possibilities, so much more than MMB.
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Post by karis on May 9, 2021 21:48:25 GMT -6
Another from Marilyn.funny thing, I remember reading on a board where someone had posted something to the effect of, "ask Marilyn about so and so! found dead on the mountain!" Apperantly because she was a forester and the poster believed she discovered the body (she didn't). But here's what she wrote." My ex (Skip) lived in the apartment down and behind the one I lived in after the murders. His step-daughter, Cindy was dating Robert Silveria. I remember he was a beautiful artist as he drew her a beautiful bird picture while in the plumas county jail (I believe it was drug charges). Also at a later date ( it must have been 1985-86) I worked at Beno's Family Appareal, as a sales clerk. Cala Marshall also worked there. Her son's wife got involved with Robert and Cala's son ended up in a scuffle with Robert. Later that night her son committed suicide on the Mt Hough Road. Cala and Bub never believed that and it was very suspicious. For one thing, his death was from carbon minoxide poisning. He supposedly ran a hose from the exaust pipe into the front window, however it had rained very hard, and it was a dirt road. There was no mud on his shoes or clothes. Their question was, "how does a person hook-up a hose under the car and not get mud on his shoes or knees"? I'm not positive about the year, but the reason I have brought this up is it has been posted that Robert Silviera was in prison when the Keddie murders took place. I did'nt meet Skip untill Dec of 1981 when he asked if he could borrow my xmas tree permitt. I met Skip at the Meeks house. Skip and I did'nt get together until Jan of 1982. I remember this because my BD is the same as his ex-wifes, Dec 27 and we celebrated it at her house. I did'nt care for Skip and made some snide remark to him when he was leaving Sharon's house. HERES ANOTHER MEMORY" I dont believe this was a murder, or silveria had any involvement. Just interesting she was acquainted with a very violent man, in a small community where her son had witnessed an extremely violent murder.
Thanks for posting this snoho. I remember reading the "ask Marilyn about dead body" and I always wonder what that was about. Very interesting about Robert Silviera.
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Post by hope on May 11, 2021 20:23:46 GMT -6
Here is that old post of VF's about Silveria, the "ask Marilyn" one mentioned in this thread:
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Post by kmik on May 11, 2021 21:14:25 GMT -6
Valley Flyer said: I'm beyond interested in who Robert hung around with while in Quincy - why is it these Quincy folks just don't talk anymore?
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Post by karis on May 12, 2021 6:40:51 GMT -6
Robert Siveria was the brother of Debbi Ellison. She was the one in the car with Donna and Tami Stead. Tami remains friends with her today. She married in Plumas co. in 1979 or 1977 (will have to look that back up) to Ken Ellison. It has been said Robert was in jail in 1981. Don't know if this is true as I have never really looked at him.
If this case was really some big conspiracy why not throw the blame on him. He confessed so why blame it on him and close the case.
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Post by hope on May 12, 2021 10:06:37 GMT -6
If this case was really some big conspiracy why not throw the blame on him. He confessed so why blame it on him and close the case. That's an excellent point. How interesting that Robert Silveria was the younger brother of one of the girls J&D's circle of friends. Good work!
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Post by hope on May 21, 2021 22:51:15 GMT -6
I know this video has been around for years, but I just finally watched it. Definitely worth checking out if you haven't seen it before.
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Post by snoho17 on May 23, 2021 14:03:14 GMT -6
"When I went into a rage and I killed these people . . . I took something from 'em and put it in my bag. When I woke up . . . my hands hurt really bad, so I write in my journal and then I read the Bible." -Robert Silveria
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