Jay Sebring Documentary

Well, well, well. Well, well, well, well, well, well, WELL. I didn't know that rumor came straight from Sharon's lawyer. This might be a horse of a different feather, after all.

If Polanski wanted to get rid of Sharon and Jay, then maybe Fry was an innocent bystander. But I can't help wondering (I mentioned it once on the podcast) if maybe Polanski wanted to get rid of Fry, too. Yeah, he owed Fry and his dad a LOT. But that kind be a motive for murder just as easily as it can be a motive for loyal friendship. In America, Fry contributed LESS THAN NOTHING to Polanski's (let alone Sharon's) career. I'd say he was a downright liability. And what a clever little plan. "Keep a close eye on Jay and Sharon for me." Sure thing, pal. I won't let them out of my sight.

Unless, of course, good ol' Fry was planning to ditch Polanski in favor of all his new Hollyweird buddies. If I were Polanski, I'd sure as hell be as suspicious as hell of the whole damned bunch.

Was Sharon "in love" with Jay? He banged literally half of all the Playboy Playmates. Sharon was just one more notch on his very tall bedpost. Of course, she also seems to have fit the "doormat" stereotype. And it's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of a pregnant woman's heart.

I'm getting curious about two things: 1. How well did Roman know Jim Markham? Markham undoubtedly profited TREMENDOUSLY from the whole Cielo massacre. Did he and Roman have joint cause in this matter? 2. Who were Roman's friends AFTER the Cielo massacre?

One of the franchisees, Sebring's right-hand man, Jim Markham, was named CEO of Sebring International after a brief period of confusion. He used the company's $500,000.00 from the life insurance they had on Jay to buy back most of the shares, then made the company something Jay never could--internationally SUCCESSFUL. Then he sold out for 10 million. Then he started another company to compete directly against Sebring Intl. He succeeded, driving Sebring Intl into bankruptcy, making a whole nother fortune in the process.

I can't find ANY evidence that Jay ever SOLD drugs, let alone bought large quantities at one time. Only that he bought small quantities, and gave [most of it] away, in exchange for Hollyweird gossip. Even the night of the murders, he left the cocaine IN HIS CAR. The only drugs in the house were pot and MDA, and the MDA capsules were all in Abigail and Voytek's room. I think a lot of people speculate that Robert Evans BOUGHT kilos at a throw FROM Jay, but I don't see any evidence of that. I'm sure Robert bought from the SAME people as Jay, but not FROM Jay. I just don't buy the "drug deal gone wrong" motive at all. The only person asking to get killed over "drug deals gone wrong" was TEX. Not any of the victims. Possible? Sure. Evidence? None. Not so far, at least.

Oh, John Gale did plenty of what we would call "trafficking," which could broadly be defined as "wholesale" dealing, as opposed to "retail" dealing. The business got bigger and bigger as prices got lower and lower. But the Hells Angels, Billy Doyle, etc, would NOT be BUYING from Jay. They'd be SELLING. Now, Jay's usual suppliers (no doubt Sinatra's mob buddies) would be upset about him BUYING from would-be competitors like Doyle, but they wouldn't kill a nickel and dime customer like Jay over it. They'd kill Doyle. Rostau and Massaro were, indeed, bumped off in the spring of 1970. They had burned every bridge there was. I'd bet credits to Navy beans that Jay bought that last spoon of "bad coke" from Doyle. There MIGHT be some truth to the rumor that Rostau tried to score some more coke for Jay that night, and Parent went down to Santa Monica Bvd to pick him up or whatever. And some rude questions may have been asked about "Uh, who sold you your last weekly spoon, Jay?" And that conversation might have turned ugly. But that doesn't explain knifing the other three people in the house. Nor does it explain the other half of the rumor, that Rostau "couldn't" find any. And it doesn't explain why Jay left his coke--of whatever quality--in the car. Unless he didn't want whoever to know he had it. But, there is no sign that whoever FOUND it in Jay's car. So, how would Rostau know he'd been two-timed by Jay? And if Jay got all pissy about Rostau showing up empty-handed, then again, why would Rostau and Massaro knife everybody in the house, and shoot Parent before he could give Rostau and Massaro a ride back to town?

On the other hand, if Garretson fudged that part of the story, and went and picked up Tex and Patty instead, and the conversation turned ugly over the "bad coke" Jay got from them (or their buddy Doyle) earlier, then, again, why was Jay's coke in the car? Unless he brought some in the house for a "spit test," and Tex was smart enough to take it with him?

Now, suppose that is not what happened. Suppose it was FRYKOWSKI who called and wanted some coke, because Jay claimed he didn't have any (or, at least, any "good" coke.) Suppose Parent showed up with Tex and Patty in the car. Suppose he went to see Garretson (maybe to keep Garretson busy.) Suppose Parent went into the main house to tell Tex "I/we need to go." Suppose Frykowski got upset by the interruption. Or Jay got upset by whatever was going down. Or Sharon. Or suppose he recognized Parent, or whatever. Or, suppose they asked Parent to help Tex move the trunks out of the middle of the living room. Suppose it's Tex and Parent who get into a fight over which end to pick up first, and Parent gets stabbed in the hand, and Tex chases him out to his car, and shoots him. Now, what is Tex going to do? Call for help. Help arrives a couple of hours later. The scene gets uglier. The phone wires get cut. Etc.

Because that time lapse between 12:15 and 12:45 needs to be explained, AND that time lapse between the four shots fired about 12:45 and the screams and three more shots at about 3:45 needs to be explained. Not to mention the men being fully clothed, and the women in their night things needs to be explained.

Lets' just say that we know where Abigail and Sharon were all night. But we DON'T "know" where Jay and Frykowski were between 10:00 pm and 3:45am.

Now, there's one other situation that could have gotten out of hand. There are plenty, plenty of rumors that Jay and many of his "friends" were into BDSM. So are a lot of people. Big whoop. But Parent's PO and others believed HE was into it, and probably gay or bi to boot. There's not much doubt Garretson was most likely gay for pay, and we KNOW Tex, Sadie (short for "Sadistic?" or "Satanist?" Both? Sadie for pay?) and others in the Family played Whatever for pay. Did Tex/Voytek/Jay make Steven an offer he couldn't refuse? When rich, powerful, spoiled, party hounds spend a hot, "buggy," Friday night sitting around bored, with no candy and no toys, that scene can easily turn ugly. Very ugly.

Belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve me.

Well, I've been pointing out all along that CIA, KGB, Gestapo, El Chapo, you name it, ALL use the same underground railroads as everybody else. That doesn't automatically mean any of them "control" every (or any) underground railroad.

Assistant what? Bookkeeper? Floor sweeper? Assistant what?

It's also possible that "people" are/were referring to Jay's SECRETARY, who was constantly being kidnapped, robbed, etc. It should also be noted that all of these "people" are just assuming "drug deal gone wrong." Based on other assumptions about the victims. The police assumed it. There just isn't one single solitary shred of evidence for it. Beyond what we know about TEX trying to rip off drug dealers.

I'll say it again--there is only ONE person we know who profited from the Tate house massacre--Jim Markham. We also know that Rosemary LaBianca's kids inherited a nice chunk of change after the LaBianca house massacre. There is zero evidence that the LaBiancas were doing ANY drug deals, of ANY kind, but an encyclopedia of instances where they were ripping off the mafia for a LOT of money.

Who profited from the death of Gary Hinman? Nobody we know of. Bobby B claimed some motorcycle gang wanted some money back on a batch of mescaline, but Bobby's claim that Gary had a "drug lab in the basement" is flat contradicted by the evidence. So the rest of his story is probably bullshit, too. Who profited from the death of Shorty Shea? Besides, maybe, his widow? Who profited from the death of Zero? Nobody.

At least three people who DEFINITELY knew Charles Manson ended up dead, with no apparent benefit to anybody (except, Bill Vance is arrested in possession of Shea's personal belongings.) And those people can also be said to have known Bill Vance, who, unlike Charlie, was definitely present for at least ONE of those violent deaths. Seven people who have never been proven to "know" Manson in any capacity ended up dead, to the eye-popping profit of people they DID know. (Yes, the seven victims can proven to know people who knew people who knew Manson, but that's not the same thing.)

See what I mean? And for 50 years, it's been "Tate/LaBianca murders...Tate/LaBianca murders...Tate/LaBianca murders..." Never "Hinman/Sebring/Frykowski/Parent/Folger/Tate/Labiancas/Shea/Haught murders." The two famous "Manson" murders are the ones that no one can find any evidence of a motive, let alone a connection between the victims and Manson.

And I'll say it again--there has never been ANY evidence of ANY kind that Charles Manson EVER dealt drugs his entire life. Period.

"Tom you say Sharon was a honey pot for her father over in Europe." Nooooooo, I don't. I say, I have a hunch--nothing more--that THAT's the reason she was dating aaaaall those Middle Eastern princes who were taking her in her skimpy disco outifts to all those sinful nightclubs were alcohol--forbidden by the Koran--was served. As photographed in living color by that Middle Eastern MI5 asset and official Sharon Tate photographer, Sharokh Hatami. Photographs that could and would have been held over the heads of those rich Arab boys and their fathers back home in Talibanistan. And the fact that Sharon's father's JOB was digging up exactly that kind of leverage to use on those rich princes and their fathers is just a coincidence. As is the coincidence that, in real life, as opposed to claims they made after her death, Sharon's parents, including her own beauty queen mother, ACTIVELY ENCOURAGED AND STAGE-MOTHERED Sharon's beauty queen career. I mean, just because it was Colonel Paul Tate's JOB in military intelligence to pimp out his own daughter to collect dirt on powerful Arab princes doesn't prove that's how all those princes MET Colonel Tate's lovely and charming sex symbol "actress" daughter. It's just a hunch.

That's all. Just a hunch.