Plus factor in that the counselor claimed that after the DOJ followed up with him in 1981 they sent him a letter saying Marty had been arrested so he thought for all these years that the murders were solved. Here you have a guy who claimed to have a patient confess a murder to him and the DOJ even interviewed him and about a year later he quit the vet center and went to work in law enforcement about 81 miles away from where these murders happened and it never crossed his mind again? Cause that's what he said he never thought about it again until Josh Hancock contacted him for an interview. Wow! So he never even asked Dr. Cheeseman, his neighbor who was working in Plumas, if the case was closed?
Yes, I find that difficult to believe as well. You would think he would have followed the case. At the very least been on the lookout for a news report stating there had been an arrest. Or perhaps seen one the news articles that were released, whether one of the anniversary articles or just an update. He never wondered if poor Tina had been found? It never crossed his mind once the internet became available? Never came up in conversations with Dr. Cheeseman or anybody else? I had forgotten he went into law enforcement afterwards. That shows in has an interest in such things. Never discussed it with is law enforcement buddies? Yes, hard to believe.
Forgot to mention the news report you posted in your previous post. That is why this case is so confusing. Everything is contradictory. I understand a lot of people feel the discrepancy in the therapists previous statements vs. what he said in the documentary is proof of corruption by Crim & Bradley. But without seeing any of these actual reports with our own eyes how can we know for sure? How can we know if their reports were faked.
It is interesting Hagwood gave/allowed Seabold to view the corresponding reports such as the follow up not mentioned in the documentary. Hagwood must have been upset with the way the therapist issue was portrayed in the documentary and therefore wanted to get the truth, as he knew it at the time, out there to the public. And I also know his belief of what the truth is has changed since then. Obviously, he has access to all the information and we do not. But for me personally, I can't make a decision on if they were faked or not without seeing the reports. The thing is everyone in case seems to have lied so who do you believe? People ask why would the therapist make something up like that, it must be the truth. I have no idea what the truth is, I wasnt there.
That is why it would be helpful to know what came of the court ordered record release from that VA Center. And regardless whether Marde did confess or made a fake confession or the confession came from Marilyn, DNA is what is going to solve this case. I hope that is being worked on so we the victims can finally have justice after all these years! The DNA would answer all these questions.
I understand a lot of people feel the discrepancy in the therapists previous statements vs. what he said in the documentary is proof of corruption by Crim & Bradley. But without seeing any of these actual reports with our own eyes how can we know for sure? How can we know if their reports were faked
You are right Hope. My question is WHY does a discrepancy in what the counselor said vs what Crim and Bradley said mean that Crim and Bradley falsified a report? Because Josh Hancock, DMAC, and the Counselor said so? Why is it that nobody ever questions what the counselor said or why he might have even said what he said? This is my take on the story:
* One thing to consider is that Josh was a school teacher living hours away from Plumas County and limited to how much time he could spend on research and filming this documentary - he also has a love for horror and wanted to release the documentary on Halloween
1. Josh Hancock was allowed access to the Keddie Room for his second documentary. He claims near the end of filming the documentary he found the Cheeseman report and contacted the counselor.
2. He spoke to the counselor via phone more than once before he, his film crew, and Sheila met him in person to interview him (no doubt these discussions helped to jog the counselor's memory a bit - and for Josh to layout his Marty theory to him)
3. Josh stated in the documentary that he never found a follow up report to the Cheeseman Report so I'm pretty sure that he told the same thing to the counselor - no follow up report - to which the counselor told him yes the DOJ came and interviewed him then sent him a letter telling him that Marty had been arrested (isn't that funny didn't know the DOJ sent letters to people they had interviewed)
4. Since Josh had access to the case files I'm sure the counselor felt confident that Josh knew for sure there was no follow up reports of the incident and he could tell the story with nothing to contradict what he told.
5. Sheila was there for the interview and surely he had a desire to give her some kind of closure.
6. This man was a counselor in a Vet Center not the VA Hospital
7. This was just a small informal place - you didn't even have to have an appointment.
8. According to what I've read there were two men who worked in this center as counselors and one woman over the center as the team leader. The only requirement that I saw for the counselors were experience counseling veterans, working with veterans organizations was desired, and being a combat veteran was preferred. Some of the professional fields appropriate for the team leader (which would have been the lady who was over this center) were psychiatrist, psychologist (PH.D), social worker (MSW), psychiatric nurse.
9. By the counselor's own admission in the documentary outtakes he never thought about the incident again after receiving the letter from the DOJ. How in the world could this man remember so clearly, 29 years later, when he also claimed he hadn't thought about the incident since 1981?
I don't think the counselor intentionally lied but I do think he relied on what Josh told him to be fact so much that Josh talked him into going back to Plumas after the interview and telling the PCSO the story he had just told on film - and he did. The counselor had no idea that all along the PCSO DID have a follow up report to the confession that Josh Hancock never saw.
There you go - no corruption, just Josh trying to end the second documentary with Marty's confession and rushing to release it on Halloween. I feel sure that he thought the PCSO would close this case after the counselor talked to them and he would be praised for closing the Keddie case - the same thing Dmac thinks.
If this is wrong in any way would someone who knows please come forward and correct me.