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Post by kmik on Sept 11, 2020 21:40:13 GMT -6
This is the Love Letter that Marty sent to Marilyn and has been used for many years as proof of his confession to the murders:
This letter was posted on Josh's forum in 2011 so it had been public info for years before and after Mike got the case. Sue, Johnny, Dana, and Tina were not “4” of the most precious things in his life” and certainly were not “his flesh and blood”. If Marty Smartt had just murdered 4 people this letter definitely isn’t proof of anything but his love for Marilyn and his "4" children which he had given up to be with her. Bottom line: This is a "Love Letter" and it's completely insulting to think anyone would ask us to believe otherwise.
If there is any evidence - beyond Marilyn and the Meeks speculation - to prove that Marty was the killer he would have been arrested in 1981 or at least when Mike took over the case- there was not and has not been for 40 years. If there is any evidence in these "new" files then produce it - if not then admit it and move on. Josh relied too much on the Meeks speculation for what happened in 28 which was, along with trying to please Sheila, the worst thing he could have ever done.
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Post by kmik on Sept 21, 2020 20:50:31 GMT -6
Once again let the letter speak for itself and everyone be entitled to their own interpretation. However it's hard to read it and not clearly understand he was talking about his "4" children regardless if he had 5,10, or 20. Are we now to surmise that Marty was a "psychic" and could see that in the future - long after his death - this case would be so big that he had to write to Marilyn in riddles?? No, he said what he meant and he meant what he said.
Didn't need Dmac to tell us where the therapist was working as a "counselor" - but maybe he needed us because we made all that clear in 2018.
Marty is a killer, Marilyn is a killer, Dee is a killer, etc..., Sheila's prints are on a bulb, LE was so corrupt, bogus reports and bogus follow up reports, same old same old things rewritten as if it hasn't already been told 100 times before. Not interested!
However would like to see all photos and police reports on the cat, hamster(s), and hamster cage.
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Post by raemen2 on Sept 23, 2020 5:03:50 GMT -6
The letter must be read in its entirety.
I think this letter is as much about Justin as it is about Marty’s desire to mend his marriage.
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Post by kmik on Sept 23, 2020 6:41:12 GMT -6
Yes the letter is about him choosing Marilyn over his own children (I believe he was still married when he met Marilyn and left Lynda and the children) so yes he gave them up for her and Marilyn wanted him to love her kids - but he said he had tried but that she didn't do the same for his.
I'm sure Marilyn was telling him she was leaving because he was too jealous and he said after giving up his family for her he should be jealous. I think a lot of people miss the fact that after writing this letter he turned around and called Brent Hayes and told him if Marilyn didn't come back to him by Friday he was gonna start killing all of her boyfriends - so I think that's a strong indication that she was running around on him and he knew it BUT be still wanted her back. He was pouring out his heart in this letter and had no need to write in riddles - if he supposedly "confessed" to the counselor why in the world would he have written to Marilyn in riddles? |
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Post by hope on Oct 28, 2020 20:27:34 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Oct 28, 2020 20:28:29 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Oct 28, 2020 21:57:32 GMT -6
Yea Hope thanks! Now we just need to find the envelopes!!
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Post by hope on Nov 9, 2020 10:20:03 GMT -6
Anothersection of the "love letter" originally posted by Jhancock on November 14, 2010  |
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Post by hope on Nov 14, 2020 2:41:23 GMT -6
Check it out, the envelope is just barely visible in the background:  I tried to darken it and you can now at least read most of the writing:   |
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Post by kmik on Nov 14, 2020 20:17:43 GMT -6
YOU GO GIRL! Good eye! If Marilyn moved out of Keddie April 12, 1981 and this letter was mailed 2 weeks later it's possible she never got it or she got it and gave it to the police - who knows. You can clearly see where he wrote on the outside - Please forgive me. My guess is that he was not asking her to forgive him for murder (and especially not if she was the one who ordered the hit) but for his jealousy. My mind is sooo far from Marty Smartt!!
Thank you so much for finding this!! |
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Post by hope on Nov 14, 2020 20:56:08 GMT -6
No problem! Glad it was there for us to find. And yes, the police probably confiscated the letter while they were searching cabin 26, while Marilyn was living with the Meeks. Seems like Marilyn was actually being truthful when she said she does not remember ever seeing that letter.
In addition to "please forgive me" it looks like he wrote "God(?) I love you more than life please forgive me Marilyn. Love Marde". He just wanted her back.
And not to change the subject, but I just wanted to mention a thought I've had regarding Marty's therapy sessions. Prior to his confession, he mentioned a "bitch" who was keeping his wife away from him. I have always believed the "bitch" he was referring to was actually Mama Meeks and not Sue. That would make the most sense. Going off memory, that session took place after the murders, while Marilyn was living with the Meeks. I think it has been incorrectly assumed by most people that he was speaking of Sue when there is no evidence Sue ever kept Marilyn from Marty, especially after she was already dead. What are your guys thoughts on that?
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Post by johnreno on Nov 14, 2020 23:15:46 GMT -6
Marde is not on my list, but I have marveled at his preoccupations following 4/12. Call me sensitive, but I’d be in shock for a month if something like cabin 28 happened essentially next door to me, even if my stepson wasn’t in the house! Maybe I’m underestimating Marilyn’s feminine wiles, but Marde often sounds like a lovesick teenager. It’s just hard for me to imagine how he seems to “skip over” the event emotionally. But here I am 40 years on and dwelling on it, so maybe I’m the wrong person to ask.
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Post by kmik on Nov 15, 2020 7:02:28 GMT -6
Yes Hope we've discussed the probability that the "b" he was talking about was Glenna Meeks.
I believe that Cheeseman and the therapist, who were neighbors of some sort, were at some point discussing these murders for the conversation of Marty's confession to have ever even taken place. The therapist had another man working with him at the center so why didn't he tell this "confesson" to him or the lady that they worked for? I fully believe the therapist asked Marty about the murders in Keddie and I believe it was because either:
*Doug Thomas knew after Marty's first interview that Marty was seeing the counselor, so maybe he sought him out to question Marty about the murders or Doug Thomas asked Dr. Cheeseman (who worked in Plumas) to do so. (Doug Thomas was desperate to know if Marty knew anything that's why he was riding Marty around in his car, tape recording him)
*Cheeseman, as Tom has said, was possibly Marilyn's doctor and she brought up Marty's possible involvement to him and he approached his neighbor the counselor.
Whatever happened it's pretty clear to me that Cheesman played some part in all of this "confession" coming about but even taking that into consideration there's no way the therapist remembered all of this years later yet never even followed up on the case. Sorry to get off subject but I love to discuss this "confession"!
JR, I do believe that Marty was concerned about what had happened in 28 but Marilyn left him and he was in debt so that's what was driving his attention. And I believe he was very excited to do these scams with Bo (easy money in his eyes) |
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Post by hope on Nov 15, 2020 12:45:50 GMT -6
I was re-reading the FB posts Dmac has made over the past couple of months & one post made on Sept 21, 2020 stuck out to me. I'm going to make a post myself with some questions & thoughts I had after reading it again. In Dmac's post he mentions this regarding the counselor:
"He (Gamberg) then begins contact with the VA Outreach Center in Reno, trying to get Bo's and Marty's records. He knew it was the Outreach Ctr, not the VA Hosp itself, because he'd been in contact with the counselor. They advised he'd need a court order, which he got after filing a Probable Cause statement with DA Hollister. This PC statement goes into further details about how Crim and Bradley flat out falsified their reports, but he won't put it in the true terms. Too early in his investigation to call a spade a shovel full of shit."
According to the above, Gamberg was awarded a court order to obtain any records from the VA Center. It does not specify when this occurred. So, what were the results? I am guessing either:
1. No records were available, which is understandable given the length of time that has passed.
2. The records did not reveal the info they were after (what the counselor told years later).
If the records included notes from the counselor regarding Marty's confession I think they would have been posted, or at the very least we would have heard about it. That would put an end to the doubts or at least substantiate the claim.
And JR, the emotional disconnect is certainly strange. I could not imagine something like that happening next door to me either and know I would have behaved differently. Add in the fact his stepson was there at the time. If that was my child I wouldn't let them leave my side and be sick with guilt that they had to endure something so traumatic. But Marty wasn't the only person who acted in such a way. A lot of people seemed like that was just another day, the murders didn't seem to faze them. It is so odd to me. Justin and the Sharp children were allowed to roam around Quincy all alone the days following the murders. It's hard to believe none of the adults in there lives were concerned for their safety. And the fact everyone acts like they never discussed it with the kids. I understand you don't want to upset them, but they have already been through the most horrible thing a person can go through, let alone as a child. At least some good may have come out of talking with them, perhaps they could have found out who was responsible.
There's the comments Sue's sister Jackie made in the deleted scene on YouTube. She said the murders did not affect her. Even if she and Sue were not close it is a strange thing to say. I couldn't imagine that happening to my family, especially my little niece. You can't think of one way it affected you? Really?
Then I think back to the letter kmik posted that Don & Nancy Davis sent to the Feather River Bulletin. At this point Tina was still missing, yet the letter seems so emotionless. I would be begging the people of Plumas County to please come forward with any information, no matter how insignificant as it may be the missing piece of the puzzle to solve these murders and bring Tina home. Sorry for the long post, but people's behavior after these crimes was certainly odd. And as you said JR, its 40 years later and still on our minds.
Here is the letter Don & Nancy Davis wrote:
28 April 1982 FRB:
MURDERS SHOULDN'T BE POLITICAL Editor: On last Wednesday's People's Dialogue, sheriff's candidate Chesley Pence made what we consider to be an irresponsible statement to the public concerning the investigation of the Keddie murders. The Keddie murders cannot, in any way, shape or form, be considered a political issue at this time. Sheriff Shanks and Investigator Brubaker cannot make any comments on the case without jeopardizing the investigative process of this open case. We have been personally assured by both Mr. Shanks and Mr. Brubaker, and since his appearance on People's Dialogue, by Mr. Pence, that they sincerely do not consider this to be a political issue and we are confident that they will not allow it to become an issue to be missued by the public for political gain. We recognize, support, and symphathize with the community's concern about the yet unsolved Keddie murders. The person or persons who killed Sue and Johnny Sharp and Dana Wingate and are responsible for Tina Sharp's disapearance invaded the lives of the entire community. But, as the immediate family of the Sharp's we wish to make it publicly known that we will not allow a few select people in the community for any reason, and expecially not for politically motivated reasons, to drag out and abuse our pain, our grief, and our hope that these criminals may yet still be stopped from committing another such heinous crime and be brought to justice. Further, our family is satisfied with the on-going investigation of the death of Sue and Johnny Sharp.
Don and Nancy Davis Quincy
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Post by kmik on Nov 15, 2020 17:45:35 GMT -6
JR, I too would have been worrying myself to death over what happened next door and especially if my stepson was there. But you also have to take into account that according to Marilyn's aunt Joan, Justin wasn't even living with Marty and Marilyn in December of 1979 (only Lori and Casey were) when Marilyn came to live with her and Marty joined them a month later. And as far as we know Justin did not move in with them until August or September of 1980. So Justin was his stepson by marriage but as far as any real connection there couldn't have been much. Heck Marty wasn't even connected with his own children. And as Hope said it's hard to wonder about his disconnect when the families of the victims seemed disconnected themselves. It appears to me that a lot of people felt like the family had this coming because of the way they lived. I want to be clear here that these are not my thoughts so that I don't get bashed like Victoria Metcalf did when she truthfully told what the rumors around town were at the time of the murders.
Here is the 2nd page of an article written after the Keddie Documentaries was released in 2011. It's basically a review of the film but the last half describes what the writer of this article (Josh Seabold) did after hearing from the documentary that in 1981 the PCSO nor the DOJ followed up on the counselor's story of the confession.
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