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Post by elantric on Oct 18, 2020 17:14:45 GMT -6
Archive of lost forum Truth on Tate Labianca web.archive.org/web/20130904090739/http://truthontatelabianca.com/#manson-killers-and-conspirators.539
The Complete Mae Brussell Audio Archivearchive.org/details/the-compleat-mae-brussellThe Compleat Mae Brussell
by Mae Brussell
Publication date 1971-01-01
Topics Mae Brussell
Language English
~ Please Note : This is a 32GB archive in the process of being organized and uploaded. It will take some time to fully complete. An update of Tim Canale's episode guide is also forthcoming. ~
"Dialogue: Conspiracy is a program which shares the political research of Mae Brussell. Her almost ten years of work are based on the theory that government is moved as much or more by conspiracy than by any democratic process."
— KLRB, June 1972
This is a collection of Mae Brussell's recordings from 1971 to 1988. The archive begins in June 1971, a month after Mae began her radio career as a frequent guest on KLRB's Dialogue, which expanded into KLRB's regular segment Dialogue: Assassination and from there into Dialogue: Conspiracy and World Watchers International.
While a few of Mae's recordings have been lost, this collection [when completed will be] a comprehensive source of her surviving broadcast material. For supplemental interviews and lectures, [click here].
Any overview of American journalism during the 1970s which excludes Mae is incomplete. She is unambiguously the mother of all contemporary conspiracy theory, through both her dedicated research into both the assassination of John F. Kennedy which brought her into collaboration with New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, as well her pursuance of the inscrutable tales of the Gemstone File. She taught an accredited course on political conspiracy at Monterey Peninsula College in the 1970s.
While Mae brought to the studio desk her own particular fixations (depopulation, dune buggies) the depth and breadth of her research is extraordinary, as is how much she wound up getting right; for example, her discussions of CIA chemical interrogation and behavioral research as early as 1972 - three years before this information was made public.
On May 29th 1968, Mae confronted Rose Kennedy at the Monterey Peninsula Airport, handing her a note that Robert Kennedy would be assassinated. He was shot to death at The Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles a week later.
On March 29th 1981, Mae predicted on-air that Ronald Reagan would be assassinated, and that the perpetrator would likely originate within circles around George H.W. Bush. The very next day, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley Jr. - who had been arrested a year earlier carrying three guns inside Nashville Airport on the day President Jimmy Carter arrived in the city, a crime for which he was released without being charged or even fingerprinted. He is the son of John Hinckley Sr. (President of Vanderbilt Energy and World Vision U.S.) and he was released from a federal psychiatric facility in 2016 with his records sealed by the FBI. The Hinckleys underwrote George W. Bush's failed congressional campaign of 1978. The Midland, Texas oil families go back a long time.
What Warren Hinckle called 'The Brussell Thesis' — "That an ex-Nazi scientist-Old Boy OSS clique in the CIA using Mafia hit men changed the course of American history by bumping off one and all, high and low, who became an irritant to them" — was considered as a fringe theory in the 1970s before its' fundaments were vindicated by the research of a generation of "Brussell Sprouts" during the 1980s & 1990s.
Before her passing in October of 1988, Mae requested that a public anti-fascist research library be set up in her name in Santa Cruz, California. Digitization of her paper archive was estimated to cost $150,000 in 1989. The money never materialized, and rivalries surrounding the archive eventually removed it from public access completely.
Thanks to Tim Canale for providing access to Mae's recordings and supplementary material, to Dave Ratcliffe for his preservation of World Watchers International's bibliographies, and to Paul Krassner for additional guidance.
"I see pockets of fascism ... The Rockefellers' attorney, Allen Dulles, consulted with Reinhard Gehlen, the Nazi intelligence chief, to form our own CIA. George Ball writes about getting rid of people by the millions. Patrick Buchanan writes an article justifying the use of torture. Zbigniew Brzezinski, head of our National Security Council, writes that 'with the use of computers, human behavior itself will become more determined and subject to deliberate programming,' and that 'it will soon be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen' ... It's not my whole life. It's important to find out who killed Kennedy, but not at the expense of your own humanness. I don't lose anything if they never find out who killed him. I still have my self-respect. And I like having children and preparing meals and mastering everything having to do with the home. In fact, my initial concern over who killed John Kennedy was basically a selfish one. I wanted to find out if there had been a coup, if the United States was going fascist. Would I be like Anne Frank's father, who told his family that things were OK and that people were basically good - while they were living their last days? They never fought Nazism, but just watched it all go by and hid in the attic until their time came around to be taken away. With a family of five children, my husband and myself, I had an obligation to understand the world outside my home. When Hitler failed, his officers were brought to the U.S. from inside Rockefeller Center, and to the Bahamas and Southern states to build this dream of the Fourth Reich. It is in this context that the Kennedys, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, labor leaders, judges, entertainers, reporters, authors, students, Black Panthers, Indians, Chicanos, and hippies are being slain, and why the masses are being doped into control."
— Mae Brussell
"BRUSSELL is known to various police agencies on the Monterey Peninsula as a chronic complainer."
— FBI San Francisco Field Office
"If something happens to me, we'll know it wasn't an accident."
— John Lennon, 1972, on underwriting Mae's exposé of the Watergate Affair in The Realist |
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Post by elantric on Oct 18, 2020 18:16:55 GMT -6
Soooooooo...what ur saying is, "if" the CIA wanted to plant a story in a cryptofascist (sorry. I get all twitterpated when the name Castro comes up.) suburban "news" paper on any topic for any reason, someone in the Agency could most likely recommend Ed Butler and his publisher Frawley. You don't say...You don't say. And yes, this would have been written BEFORE October 1st. Loooooong before Sadie Mae Glutz started tooting Charlie's horn vis-a-vis the Sybil Brand Institutionalized (see what I mean?) in November. It no doubt hit the streets before October. Plenty of time for Susan--who read every scrap of newspaper and magazine and sat glued in front of the TV with a radio on each ear waiting for the next bulletin concerning the Tate murders, to read and hear about it. Remember, this murder happened to her idol. She was one of the very first members of the Sharon Tate Cult. This wasn't just "some" murder that she glanced at in the paper once or twice. She was at least as obsessed with the murder of Sharon Tate as we are.
Hypothesis #7—A joint task force consisting of the FBI, CIA and possibly others within American Intelligence groomed Charles Manson and Charles Watson to embark upon a series of assassinations to discredit both African Americans and the youth of the countercultural left, i.e. the hippies.Argument for: Mae Brussell, whose research into the Manson case developed into this hypothesis, gave a number of tantalizing details suggesting the involvement of US Intel in the development of both Watson and Manson, and in positioning them to play the roles they were bound to play.She primarily focused on two aspects of the Helter Skelter murders, namely the political/legal connections and the financial backing. The former included a number of high-profile people extending back to Manson’s brief stint at Boys Town. The latter featured questions regarding the mechanics of the operation itself, and who might have paid for it. (Details about the money issue here.)Manson’s connection to various financial backers—among them Washington socialite Charlene Cafritz, Sandra Good and Dennis Wilson—gives us a glimpse of Mae’s concerns. The connections’ true importance lay beyond the mere channeling of funds to establishing the dominant narrative that would become the Manson legend. This story arc began with the ex-con hippie guru who had, in the matter of a few years, mastered the art of brainwashing, The tale also entails the epitome of the counterculture, a hippie commune whose hedonism extended far beyond sex, drugs and rock & roll to include orgiastic murder and mayhem.If the point were to discredit the counterculture, and the New Left (as the FBI and CIA referred to it) that it had attached itself to, then it would be paramount to (a) set Charlie up as the focal point of a stereotypical (at least to the casual observer) commune; and (b) establish some kind of bonafides with youth culture, a more challenging task given Manson’s advanced age (more than double that of slippies Dianne Lake and Ruth Ann Morehouse). Manson’s musicianship coud have solved both problems. In combination with his patented prison spiel laced with Scientology and other occult influences, Manson's looming stardom lured women, and some men, into a growing fold of admirers, who regarded Manson as Christ reincarnate, a savior seasoned by a hard, difficult life, but who still had a tender, sensitive side. Secondly, music became Charlie’s main entryway into the counterculture, in the end solidly connecting his legacy with two of the most iconic bands of their time.It’s evident in the Beach Boys’ recording of “Cease to Exist” (or “Never Learn not to Love”) that the group put a solid effort into realizing Manson’s work in a mainstream venue. Moreover, they actively promoted the song on television.Figure 1. The Beach Boys on The Mike Douglas ShowCharlie had not only Dennis Wilson and the other Beach Boys within his stable of contacts, but legitimate and highly esteemed music managers, executives and producers, among them Phil Kaufman, Gregg Jacobson, and Terry Melcher. While these connections are well known and documented, Manson's connections to some celebrities (e.g. Angela Lansbury**) are documented but relatively obscure. Some (e.g. Nancy Sinatra) are claimed by Manson, but denied by others. A number of relationships (e.g. Cass Elliot) are plausible, but rumored from many different sides. But even if only a fraction of the rumored acquaintanceships were true, then one is still left with a dazzling array of stars who somehow made their way into Manson’s orbit.“Cease to Exist” established Manson as a somewhat legitimate part of the music scene, and his relationship to the Beach Boys came under considerable scrutiny in the years following the murders. But at the time of the trial, Bugliosi, Stephen Kay and the rest of the prosecution team developed a more intimate connection between Manson and the counterculture’s rock & roll soundtrack.The Beatles song “Helter Skelter,” a metaphorical reference to the playground ride known to Americans as a ‘slide,’ began to dominate discussions of Manson. According to most sources, Charlie used the title of that track to describe what he believed, due to his OTO and Process influences, to be an imminent race war.** But the links between Manson’s beliefs allegedly went far beyond that one song, incorporating as they did virtually the entire White Album, and spilling into the group’s previous work and personal history.Basing a motive on bizarre interpretations of Beatle lyrics might have been laughable in 1968. But the prosecution caught a tremendous break. During the fall of 1969, after the murders but before the arrests, the international public received a crash course, as it were, in the misinterpretation of Beatles’ lyrics.  The Paul-Is-Dead (PSYOP) rumor, prominent news at the time, demonstrated how easily intelligent, psychologically normal people could come to the most outlandish understandings based on innuendo and imagination. More to the point, the whole incident depicted rock and roll, the music of the counterculture, as somewhat ghoulish, or unwholesome. By the time the Manson trials commenced, the songs of the Fab Four began to seem even darker, as prosecutors and fans drew their own parallels between the “family” and the White Album.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_deadMore generally, the press constantly referred to the Mansonites as hippies, despite the group’s insistence that they weren’t. They despised hippies, and referred to themselves as ‘slippies,’ for they had slipped off the mainstream of society. The press regarded the slippies’ street antics during the trial with a bit of smug humor, as Fromme, Share and others crawled along the sidewalks, carved X’s into their foreheads, and shaved their scalps. Slowly by slowly, contemporary accounts began to define the group as under the thumb of Manson’s hypnotic spell—a comforting conclusion, actually, for it reduced all the id of the group to the evil of a single individual, namely Manson. Eventually, writers started using the term “family” in reference to them (hence the reason why I always spell it in lower case and add quotation marks).By trial’s end, the false, but dominant narrative had formed: fiends like Manson preyed on the counterculture because of the latter’s naiveté. That made the youth movement not just dangerous to the establishment, but to everyone. As Bugliosi and others noticed years later associations to the counterculture went from innocent to villainous.While the effect upon public perception of the counterculture might have weighed most heavily in the mind of Mae Brussell, the connections between Manson, Watson, and important people outside of the entertainment industry deserved considerable mention.First off, Manson, a prisoner actively contesting his parole in 1966, received a visit from George Shibley, a noted lawyer with a track record of high-profile cases: from the Zoot Suit Murder to his representation of Sirhan Sirhan. At the time of Manson’s impending release, he had a rather comfortable legal practice in Beverly Hills, representing a host of wealthy clients, among them powerful oil companies. Manson, meanwhile, was simply another ex-con up for parole. Moreover, Manson didn’t even want the parole, and attempted to fight it. Mae posed the question of why would someone that high up the food chain take the time to consult with Manson pro bono, since Manson had neither fame nor infamy in 1966.Once Manson got out, his parole officers treated him with kid gloves. Charlie missed some of his parole appointments with Samuel Barrett (for most people, a single missed appointment would land them back in the slam for the remainder of their sentence). Barrett hardly held him to task, and instead allowed him to build a small criminal empire out in the desert. And Manson’s previous parole officer (or someone who looks exactly like him and has a similar name) played guardian angel by taking Manson’s son, Michael Valentine Brunner, into foster care after the arrest of his mother for indecent exposure, and then returning the child to his parents upon Brunner’s release.Manson wasn’t the only person to receive attention from high-powered, well-connected Beverly Hills attorneys. David DeLoach, a powerful man within California GOP circles, and his partner Perry Walshin risked jail time to defend Watson. More interestingly, they claimed at the time of Watson’s arrest that they had had approximately forty consultations with the young Texan. Again, Mae wondered why such prominent attorneys would defend Watson, especially since he had nothing more serious than a single marijuana possession charge against him. Moreover, high-powered attorneys don’t come cheap. Who paid these guys?Bugliosi adequately documented the extraordinary legal actions that allowed the family to grow and prosper. But while he would attribute these to a series of coincidences, or sloppy law enforcement, Mae would see more a deliberate and systemic attempt to shape a Manson story into one that benefited defense contractors and everyone else threatened by peace and domestic harmony. And there were other events, some involving Manson, some not, that further attacked the reputation of the counterculture in the fall of 1969, some of which had more direct ties to Intel.A week after authorities charged Manson and his associates for the Tate-LaBianca murders, rioting erupted during the Rolling Stones’ performance at the Altamont Free Concert. Melvin Belli, Jack Ruby’s former attorney, arranged for the Hells Angels to provide security, for reasons unknown. After all, the Angels are noted shitkickers, not peacekeepers. The Angels' unsuitability and bellicosity resulted in the death of four of the concertgoers, one of whom drowned in a puddle of water, and two who got run over by a car. As chronicled in the movie Gimmie Shelter, a number of Hells Angels pummeled Meredith Hunter to death in full view of the band and cameras. Media coverage of the incident left an impression of the counterculture that contradicted the peaceful proceedings at Woodstock four months earlier. And with the sudden thrust of Manson into primetime news, the associations between hippies and wanton, uncontrollable violence became axiomatic to many.Adding fuel to the fire, Ed Butler, propagated an op-ed piece in August 1969 titled “Did Hate Kill Tate,” in which he blamed the deaths on the Black Panthers for the crimes. Writing for organs owned by right-wing razor magnate and Nixon supporter Patrick Frawley, Butler had previously recorded Lee Oswald’s declaration for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, an organization in which he was the only member. Mae saw Butler as an agent provocateur:Ed Butler worked with Lee Harvey Oswald. So it’s interesting that in 1969, the first person who has an opinion on who murdered these seven people would be Ed Butler....Now this is what we call provocateurs. Agent provocateurs. Clandestine [unintelligible] where somebody is the first one in, and he’s tied to all these other people and links, and he is taking your brain, now, and your gray matter, in the event they don’t have a suspect....So you see that Ed Butler has you in the palm of his hand. If they don’t have a suspect, it is—you’re going to think that the blacks come into fancy residential homes, and massacre these lovely white people.Mae went on to point out that Watson et al deliberately left the LaBiancas’ credit cards in a black section of Los Angeles, so that police would suspect the Panthers of committing these killings. She believed that in the months before the public had a face to go with the murders, speculation such as Butler’s tried to condition the public to accept the arrest and conviction of innocent blacks--just in case the authorities continued to protect Manson. Indeed, this might have been a reality had Susan Atkins not told all to Veronica Howard and Virginia Graham.Other links between the Tate-LaBianca murders and the JFK assassination abound. Attorney Joseph Ball, who once consulted for the Warren Commission, also consulted with Susan Atkins immediately after police charged her with the Tate-LaBianca murders. Writer Lawrence Schiller also worked with Atkins as a co-author for their 1970 book The Killing of Sharon Tate. Atkins reportedly received a $150,000 advance provided that she turn state’s evidence. With an introduction by Marshal Singer, The Killing of Sharon Tate honed the Helter Skelter scenario. Three years earlier, Schiller, then working for Capitol Records***, recorded Jack Ruby’s (most likely fraudulent) “confession” two days before the nightclub owner’s death.Mae found the overlapping of personnel between the JFK case and the Manson case almost bizarre beyond words. Ball, Schiller and Butler, who really seem to have worked some type of PSYOPS angle for the Kennedy assassination, have all the markings of Intel. For her, the fact that these men played critical roles in this case raised red flags ultimately leading to the conclusion that Manson was a creation, a patsy to take the fall for the real killer, Tex Watson, who obviously received some combat training (after all, he instructed the women, and carried out what police would describe as a “paramilitary style ambush” mostly by himself) despite having never served in the armed forces.____________________________*Lansbury’s thirteen-year-old daughter, Didi, frequently hung out with the family, and had written permission to do so. Didi claimed that she left after witnessing Manson’s rape of a child younger than herself, presumably the daughter of former part-time slippie Dennis Rice, but the particulars of this event are disputed.**In a 2008 interview with MSNBC, ex-slippie Catherine Share disputed the often-quoted assertion that Manson referred to the cataclysmic race war as “Helter Skelter.” If she is correct, then this provides yet another example of someone dragging the Beatles’ into an association with the Tate-LaBianca murders.***Both the Beach Boys and the Beatles recorded for Capitol/EMI George E. Shibley (1910-1989)
www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/zoot-george-e-shibley/George Shibley led an extraordinary career as a criminal defense attorney. "He took cases that no one else would," said his wife, Eleanor. Frequently, his clients were homosexuals, minorities, and radicals. In his 56-year career, none of his clients ever received the death penalty. He was known in the legal community as a fighter for the underdog, sometimes providing his services only on the promise of payment. It was therefore a lucky moment for the Sleepy Lagoon defendants when in 1942 LaRue McCormick, a labor organizer and member of the Communist Party, asked Shibley to replace one of the seven lawyers in the highly controversial case of People v. Zammora. The case would test Shibley's abilities as a defense lawyer and win him notoriety. He said of the experience, "it made the forces of law and order hate me." Yet the price was worth it when he eventually secured justice for the seventeen boys on trial.Shibley was born in New York City, the son of Syrian immigrants, on May 6, 1910. He spent most of his young life in Long Beach, California, where he attended the Polytechnic High School. He went on to Stanford University and Stanford Law, graduating in 1934. By 1935, he had set up his own law practice in Long Beach, where he remained for the rest of his life.When the largest mass trial in California history began in 1942, involving 22 Mexican American young men indicted for the murder of one, the odds seemed in favor of the prosecution. For Shibley, who had suffered from racism because of his Arab ancestry, People v. Zammora had special resonance. The defendants, who had only seven lawyers among them, were clearly being denied a fair trial from the start. When Shibley joined the defense, he quickly provoked the ire of the presiding judge, Charles Fricke. Shibley frequently raised objections to Fricke's procedures in the courtroom, which included seating the boys away from their lawyers, not allowing them to clean up or change clothes, and repeatedly demeaning the defense team and their clients in front of the jury. Shibley told the jury, "it's always been open season for the police on Mexicans," fully realizing the odds that were against his clients. Nevertheless, he tenaciously continued to object throughout the trial, in order to document the severe shortage of evidence -- and the unjust procedures of Judge Fricke's courtroom. Shibley was not looking to win the case. He knew the boys stood a better chance with a later appeal.He was right. On January 12, 1943, the jury handed down its convictions. Seventeen of the twenty-two boys were found guilty. Three of them were sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of José Díaz. LaRue McCormick and other left-wing activists concerned about the boys' case quickly formed the Citizens' Committee for the Defense of Mexican American Youth (later reorganized as the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee) to raise money for an appeal. Shibley had planned well for this moment, but much to his surprise, he was drafted into the military immediately following the trial. Attorney Ben Margolis Jr. argued the appeal, aided in large part by the avalanche of objections Shibley had put on record during the trial. The boys were released in October of 1944 after the Second District Court of Appeals overturned the case. Presiding Judge Clement Nye ruled there was insufficient evidence for a conviction, and that the boys had not received a fair trial.In later years, Shibley gave an interview to the Long Beach Press-Telegram that highlighted the significance of People v. Zammora in court history:Its effect on constitutional law was felt throughout the United States. ...This has got to be one of the most outstanding cases of open police brutality ever recorded in this country. As a result of this case, the court held that a defendant had a right to participate in his own defense. ... In an action called the Zammora Decision the court said that if the courtroom was not big enough to enable defendants to sit with their attorneys, then some place must be found that is big enough. In short, it has made it almost impossible to hold mass trials.For years after the Sleepy Lagoon incident, Shibley maintained close friendships with many of his former clients. Of the seven lawyers involved in the defense, he was the only one whom the defendants had trusted. For the rest of his life, he tenderly referred to them as "the boys." When he died after heart surgery on July 4, 1989, they came to mourn with his family at the funeral.dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/tamwag/tam_237/bioghist.htmlGeorge E. ShibleyGeorge E. Shibley (1910-1989) was a left-wing lawyer who represented the Chicano defendants in the 1942 "Sleepy Lagoon," California case (later the basis for the film Zoot Suit). He also represented seamen and longshoremen and a number of labor unions on the West Coast, and later represented Sirhan Sirhan, convicted assassin of Robert Kennedy. Shibley was convicted in 1956 of receiving stolen government records in connection with his defense of a U.S. Marine, one Sergeant Bennette.
( SO the Government could extort and order him to do their bidding)
www.ravellaw.com/opinions/2ea3cfface3793a24426e9224fdbc273web.archive.org/web/20200810092256/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-16-hl-28850-story.html" George Shibley, who was convicted... will be paroled from the Terminal Island Federal Prison.... Shibley was sentenced to serve three years in prison, but served only 1 year, 5 months, and 8 days of the sentence before being granted parole."
Charlie was incarcerated at Terminal Island from about May of 1956 until Sept 30, 1958.
Thus the two were together at TI from about the beginning of '57 to mid '58--roughly 18 months. Is that where their friendship began? Depending on how close they were, Shibley may have schooled Charlie on the finer points of criminal law, like how tough it would be to convict someone of murder if the accused wasn't even at the crime scene. Then almost ten years later, Shibley hears that Charlie is again at TI, just a couple of miles from his own law office. Did he just pay a social call, with nothing more to it? Or did Charlie reach out to his old friend, telling him he needed some legal advice?
After the highly publicized arrest of Charlie in this most heinous of crimes, maybe Shibley was worried someone from the police or prosecutor would come to him, asking him about this visit. So then he deliberately interjects himself into the case, so that now whatever was said at TI can be claimed to be covered under "lawyer-client" confidentiality laws. Shibley is off the hook, and fades from the scene.murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/29/family-attorneys |
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Post by elantric on Oct 18, 2020 18:19:41 GMT -6
xdell.blogspot.com/2008/10/devils-in-slide-you-never-show-me-your.htmlThe Devil’s in the Slide: You Never Show Me Your Money (Oct 2009)
Mae Brussell raised a number of issues with respect to the Tate-LaBianca murders, some of which have been answered to various degrees of satisfaction since. When she first went on the air with the story in 1971, Ed Sanders had yet to publish The Family, and Vincent Bugliosi had yet to write Helter Skelter. She relied upon her own sense of history, the numerous newspaper reports she could find, a well-developed network of informers (among them law enforcement officials, political movers and shakers, researchers and the incarcerated), and some original flatfoot detective work instead. In this and in the next few posts, I’m going to highlight some of the major issues that she raises.
The first issue is rather obvious. Basically, it’s the simple question, “Who financed this?”
The question struck Mae as a basic one. In the JFK assassination she wanted to know where Lee Oswald got the money to do all the things he did. For example, when he defected, his plane ticket to the Soviet Union cost $1,400. But he worked at minimum wage jobs ($1.25/hr), and had about $200 in his bank account. No one admitted to giving or loaning him the money for the trip.
Likewise, Mae wondered how Manson foot the bill for everything. There were usually a number of people (in the forty to fifty range) hanging out with Manson at any given time at Spahn Ranch, and less at Barker Ranch. Mae noted that the slippies would have had numerous expenses, even if they bartered farm chores with the elderly George Spahn in exchange for crash space. She pointed out that no one there suffered from malnutrition. They had all sorts of drugs. There were lots of children running around too. As any parent can tell you, kids cost money. They require health care, food, clothing (lots of clothing, for they grow out of everything), supervision and so forth--and in the slippies’ case, the kids were also illicit drug consumers. They had a number of vehicles over this two-year odyssey, including a Fiat, VW minivans, a customized school bus, an old 1950s Ford (the car that they drove to the murders), a mini-fleet of dune buggies, and a Hostess snack cake truck. Cars require not just gas but maintenance. And because most, including Manson, were musicians, they also owned instruments and sound equipment. Moreover, they had a cache of weapons, which included a variety of knives, firearms, and, of course, Manson’s sword, along with field radios and other equipment that they stowed away for their Helter Skelter plans.
Geez. Radios, food, clothing, medical care, vehicles, maintenance, gas, weapons, childcare, drugs, electric guitars and so on. You have to wonder how they paid for all of this. But if you’re assuming that they must have stretched and spent every last dollar that they had, then you’d be in for a bit of a shock. They had money coming out the wazoo.
According to most sources, most reliably from Manson’s former lieutenant Paul Watkins, Charlie always had between $3,000-5,000 on him at any given time, with cash reserves n the neighborhood of $30-40k. Moreover, Manson was in a position to loan fairly large amounts of money to various people, among them a retired schoolteacher referred to only as Gina, who borrowed five grand to pay off the mortgage on her ranch.
Note too, we’re talking about 1969 dollars here. According to the government’s inflation calculator, Manson’s total cash (excluding the vehicles and all other forms of capital) was worth around a quarter of a million dollars in today’s money.
To some extent, we know that the slippies indeed extended themselves to save bucks when they could. Many of their friends in the Straight Satans, for example, were expert mechanics. People passing by Spahn Ranch during this time saw them earning a few dollars here and there making repairs for anyone willing to pay them. It’s quite likely that they serviced all of the “family’s” vehicles, perhaps in exchange for sex and other amenities.
The slippies also fed themselves through a curious practice they called ‘dumpster diving.’ They would wait for local supermarkets to throw away food that had not sold by its expiration date, and simply take it as soon as it hit the trash. After awhile, however, the employees of these stores, knowing that the women would come by and collect their refuse, made it easier for them by putting their unwanted items in boxes, so that the slippies could just come, take it, and haul it away. In perhaps one of the cruelest ironies of all, the Mansonites were especially fond of Gateway Supermarkets, the chain headed by Leno LaBianca.
Manson discouraged the seeking of medical care, saying, “Doctors are only good for curing the clap [gonorrhea].” So, they saved money by playing doctor amongst themselves. If you recall, when Manson slashed Gary Hinman’s ear, Mary Brunner sutured it with dental floss, per their routine. They also delivered their own children. Only in the rare case of an extremely difficult delivery did the women ever go to the hospital.
Still, most of the females had to see the doctor anyway. It would be an understatement to say that the Manson women often got the clap. It’s more like they got the thundering standing ovation.
As for the cars, most say that Manson really knew how to barter. For example, Dean Morehouse gifted him with a piano. Manson traded the piano for a VW minibus, which he in turn exchanged for the school bus. In other instances, he relied upon the generosity of followers and their families to donate vehicles and money. Then too, he appears to have become jointly involved with other outlaws in a car theft ring, which included a chop shop where they salvaged good working parts, and stripped the bodies in order to manufacture dune buggies.
We also know that they engaged in various criminal enterprises that could very well have contributed to their pot. In fact, when you take a good look at it, what we now call the “Manson Family” wasn’t so much a commune as it was a gathering of petty criminals. They trafficked drugs, for starters. Some of the women engaged in prostitution to raise money, especially in a pinch (they tried to get steady work as strippers, but the agency Manson’s former jailhouse friend, Bill Vance, hooked them up with thought they were too flat-chested, and wouldn’t book them until they got silicone implants). They also stole credit cards—lots and lots of credit cards. Back then, retailers had a harder time catching an identity thief than they do now. So there’s a possibility that this could explain a lot of their gas, restaurant bills, and other expenses.
Still, the credit cards couldn’t begin to explain away that amount of cash. After all, ATMs wouldn’t appear for another decade. And even if they existed during the time, you couldn’t get forty grand out of them very quickly, or without getting noticed. Anyone receiving their monthly statement should have immediately recognize an unauthorized charge. And while the “family” might have profited enormously from bartering, that system of exchange wouldn’t produce much in the way of folding money. While the underground economy of penny-ante organized crime could account for a large cash reserve, it would also have to change our perspective of the Mansonites from their typical depiction as communal idlers who whiled away their days in drug binges and sex orgies to a an industrious criminal enterprise.
Since we know they had enough free time to practice and perform their music, chase record deals, make a few home movies (and one feature-length documentary), drop copious amounts of acid and other hallucinogens, network among the stars, and engage in orgiastic sex, if they actually could produce that kind of money through any business, legal or otherwise, then I, for one, would have to tip my hat to them for having that kind of stamina.
On the other hand, we still have to wonder how they managed to keep up an operation of this scale for over a year without getting caught by authorities. Could officials--how can we put this—simply have turned a blind eye to Manson’s shenanigans? Could they have done so willingly? How could the cops not have seen an operation that big in the middle of the desert, with nothing to camouflage it?
Charles Manson NOW - Marlin Marynick
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 18, 2020 20:20:30 GMT -6
Karate Dave also apparently trained the LASO SWAT team that raided Spahn Ranch that summer. Or, it was "another Green Beret," but there are about a dozen reasons for thinking they were one and the same Green Beret. I mentioned at one time on the podcast that it looked like the whole Spahn "raid" was a practice exercise. There's little doubt that the armed patrols, etc, at Spahn were trained and set up by Karate Dave. So, I'm doubling down on my hunch that the whole thing really was a planned exercise. So, there was no "ratting" going on [by Shorty Shea] for Charlie to be mad about. Only by Katy Lutesinger, and Charlie seems to have been completely oblivious to any and all REAL "betrayals" by members of the Family.
Of course, once Karate Dave had the Manson Liberation Army and Dune Buggy Factory up and running, he could do anything he wanted to with it. Couldn't he?
Rodney Alcala trained at a special private paratrooper training school in Virginia where the Green Berets, including obviously Karate Dave, got a lot of their training BEFORE Rodney even joined the Army. How'd he get in? Whom did he meet there? He met SOME [future] Green Berets. Which ones?
See what I mean?
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Post by elantric on Nov 5, 2020 18:29:49 GMT -6
Charles Manson - The Lost Vacaville Tapes (Full Album)
First Pressing 12" LP of Charles Manson's Lost Music. This long awaited album release is entitled "The Lost Vacaville Tapes", and was recorded in 1983, while Charlie was at the Vacaville Medical Facility. This music was lost for over 28 years, was discovered, legal rights were obtained, and now it is finally making its way to the public. Charlie had people within his inner circle searching high and low for this music, and low and behold, you now have an opportunity to hear 38:00 minutes of the Clearest, and Highest Quality Charles Manson music ever released.
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