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Post by elantric on Sept 8, 2020 18:30:34 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 9, 2020 6:39:50 GMT -6
I'm not the slightest bit convinced that Manson was "obsessed" with the Beatles. Like any sociopathic narcissist, he looked at whoever was number one in his field and said, "I can do what he does." And he was right, except for the lack of talent. But even with aaaallllll their talent, the Beatles could never get anywhere with it until they met The Right People. The other thing the Beatles had was patience and determination. Sociopaths quit as soon as the going gets tough. After 8 years of grueling hard work and relentless disappointment, the Beatles were an "overnight" success. Manson read the fan magazines and thought, "Hell, I could be an overnight success." It's clear that his REAL role model was Mel Lyman. Maybe that's why he kept talking about the Beatles--so people wouldn't catch on that he was trying to be another Mel Lyman. Whose idea was all this? Good question. But when he failed to be an overnight success, Manson APPEARS to have quit. Just like a typical sociopath would. And a frustrated sociopath is very dangerous. But he didn't try to kill the Beatles or even Terry Melcher.
Let's mention Sinatra's man crush on JFK. If anybody was "obsessed" with ANYBODY, Sinatra was OBSESSED with JFK. And the JFK "people" sure cashed in on that, using Sinatra as a Pied Piper to round up a LOT of votes. Charlie Manson never built a helipad just to have John Lennon over for a slumber party. And the only thing more dangerous than a frustrated sociopath is a scorned lover. (I'm not saying they had sex. I'm saying, Sinatra sounds a hell of a lot like a jilted stalker.) "If I can't have you, nobody can." JFK was a solid gold seductive sociopath; Sinatra could seduce the paint off the walls. I'm not convinced Sinatra was a total sociopath, but...when two seductive sociopaths collide... Google "Jodi Arias."
Back to Manson's trip (get it?) to Mexico to visit the Aztec Peyote Eaters. You know who was way, way into that stuff? BILL VANCE. He still is. (unless he died recently.) You know who else? And was living there, digging the scene, at that exact same time? Cameron. And her children. A lot of them were in the music biz. BEFORE Charlie "suddenly" started taking guitar lessons. And he was moving to Barker Ranch literally after she moved out. And he moved to Cole Street in the Haight while Cameron was shacked up around the corner with two bisexual black jazz musicians. And if Ed Sanders is right, and Charlie would disappear in the direction of New Mexico from time to time, and since no one in Taos remembers seeing him there, then he must have been visiting Cameron. And you know how Charlie could have met those people BEFORE he went down to Mexico? Hollywood Productions. Supplying broads to strip clubs, porn producers, Hollyweird orgy masters...Jack and Cameron were buddies with Robert Heinlein, L Ron Hubbard...how many of Charlie's girls had dads in the aerospace industry, again? Cameron was obsessed with reincarnating Jack/Horus. Crowley said the best place to perform that kind of sex magic was a place where a whole bunch of people had been violently killed. Samson De Brier was a close, close member of Cameron's Children. He knew Rudi Altobelli, who literally could not wait to move back into that house....
What I'm saying is, Charlie's path to 10050 Cielo drive started long, looooooooong before 1962. Long before. And what I'm asking is, where was BILL VANCE in 1959? Know what I mean?
PS you know what else was in Mexico in 1959? The porno biz. 99 percent of US porn was being manufactured in Mexico in those days. But, if you wanted living color pornographic films, you needed a contact at one of the labs in Los Angeles. And there's that Ed Durston guy...the one who knew this Kenneth Anger guy...who knew all those butch bikers in their steamy leather gear, who could get all that sex magic inducing candy...
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Post by elantric on Sept 11, 2020 23:27:48 GMT -6
SOURCES: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mansongangsterreport.com/all-in-the-family-the-ultimate-manson-family-timeline-1967-2019/#:~:text=November%208%2C%201971%20%E2%80%93%20Clem%20Grogan,the%20Shea%20and%20Hinman%20homicides. web.archive.org/web/20101122020920/http://charliemanson.com/places/rb-photos.htmweb.archive.org/web/20120824195610/http://charliemanson.com/documents/drbc-2.htmmurdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/1466/timeline-family-enforcement-1967-1969== The Charles Manson Family Chronology
November 1942 - George Shibley In the summer of 1942, the Sleepy Lagoon murder case made national news; nine teenage members of the 38th Street Gang were accused of murdering a civilian man named José Díaz in an abandoned quarry pit. The reservoir was located near the city of Maywood at approximately what is now 5400 Lindbergh Lane, in Bell, California. The nine defendants were convicted at trial and sentenced to long prison terms. The People v. Zammora et al. In the process of investigating the murder of José Díaz, hundreds of young men and women in the L.A. area were brought in for police processing. Among the suspects arrested, several were severely beaten during questioning, including Henry Leyvas, Lupe Leyvas, Benny Alvarez, and Eugene Carpio, and Manuel Reyes. Twenty-two men were placed on trial as a group, under the defense of seven attorneys in the People v. Zammora et al. George Shibley later joined as an attorney on the case, winning favor from the defendants and their families for his attempts to communicate in Spanish. Alice McGrath was hired by Shibley to take notes on the trial. Though the murder weapon was never produced, after six days of deliberation, only five of the twenty-two young men were found "not guilty." The other seventeen young men were convicted of murdering José Díaz, including Henry Leyvas, who with José Ruíz and Robert Telles, was convicted of murder in the first degree and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. Leyvas, Ruíz, and Telles were sentenced to life in prison, while the other young men were sentenced to one to five years.
The ruling was reversed in October 1944 and the men were released, due to the efforts of the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee, with Alice McGrath as executive secretary. However, many of the young men returned to prison, including Henry Leyvas.[2]- The People v. Zammora et al.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepy_Lagoon_murder law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2d/66/166.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38th_Street_gang
Dec 4, 1943 - Eleanor Shaw (Broadway Actress, ex wife of actor Van Heflin) weds Attorney George Shibley
June 3-8, 1943 - Zoot Suit Riots in Los Angeles
With rising tension between the zoot suiters and military servicemen in the L.A. area, what is known as the Zoot Suit Riots began on June 3, 1943 when a group of sailors claimed to have been robbed and beaten by Pacheco.[3] American servicemen and white Angelenos attacked and stripped children, teenagers, and youths who wore zoot suits, ostensibly because they considered the outfits, which were made from large amounts of fabric, to be unpatriotic during World War II. Rationing of fabrics and certain foods was required at the time for the war effort. Provoked by a Nazi salute from a Pacheco, servicemen beat zoot suit wearing civilians with clubs and other makeshift weapons, and stripped them of their suits. Approximately ninety-four civilians and eighteen servicemen were treated for serious injuries, with all of the ninety four arrested, but only two of the servicemen. One source claims the Riot continued for five nights, when military and police efforts ended the violence.[2] However, a second source states that the span of the Riots was nine days.[3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_(play) www.lacba.org/docs/default-source/section-documents/senior-lawyers-law-section/final-zoot-suit-program-materials-5-31-18.pdf
May 11, 1953 - Attorney George E. Shibley - faced a trial eventually convicted in 1956 of receiving stolen government records and not appearing at trial in connection with his defense of a U.S. Marine, court-martial Master Sergeant John Russell Bennette -- United States v. Shibley, 112 F.Supp. 734, 740 (S.D. Cal. 1953). Shibley was a left-wing lawyer who represented the Chicano defendants in the 1942 "Sleepy Lagoon," (Zoot Suit Riots) California case. He also represented seamen and longshoremen and a number of labor unions on the West Coast, and later represented Sirhan Sirhan, convicted assassin of Robert Kennedy www.ravellaw.com/opinions/2ea3cfface3793a24426e9224fdbc273 www.ravellaw.com/opinions/2ea3cfface3793a24426e9224fdbc273
January 17 1955 - Charlie married a 17-year-old girl named Rosalie Jean Willis. allthatsinteresting.com/charles-manson-wife-rosalie-jean-willis#:~:text=TwitterRosalie%20Jean%20Willis%20was,one%20August%20night%20in%201969.
September 15, 1955 - Grand Theft Auto by Los Angeles Police Department. No disposition noted. www.cielodrive.com/charles-manson.php#:~:text=On%20June%201%2C%201960%2C%20Charlie,Island%20Penitentiary%20in%20Washington%20State.
September 19, 1955 - Dyer Act by Los Angeles Police Department. No disposition noted. definitions.uslegal.com/d/dyer-act/#:~:text=The%20Dyer%20Act%20is%20a,National%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Theft%20Act.
November 22, 1955 - Ex-con. Registration Culver City Police Department. No disposition noted.
January 11, 1956 - Dyer Act. USM/Los Angeles, No disposition noted.
March 5, 1956 - Probation Violation by US Marshall, Indiana. Released to U.S. Marshall Illinois for transfer to US Marshall Southern California
March 9, 1956 - Southern California USM. Received from USM/Illinois
March 14, 1956 - Violate Federal Probation; Dyer Act. Sentenced to 3 years to Terminal island
May 2, 1956 - NMVTA(National Motor Vehicle Theft Act) by FCI/San Pedro. Sentenced to 3 years.
Summer 1956 - Charles Manson Jr. Born one year after his father married Rosalie Jean Willis in Ohio. She was 15 years old at the time and working as a waitress in a hospital whereas Manson was already 20 years old. As for Charles Manson Jr., the boy was only 13 when the Tate murders shocked the nation. He’d spend the rest of his short-lived life trying to distance himself from his father’s shadow but tragically failed to overcome that trauma. He shot himself in the head when he was 37 years old.On a brighter note, Charles Jr.’s son, Jason Freeman, successfully managed to overcome his familial demons and pave his own way. Willis’ grandson has since become a kickboxing cage fighter who “came out” as a descendant of the cult leader in 2012 in order to destigmatize the Manson name. allthatsinteresting.com/charles-manson-son-charles-manson-jr www.jacksonville.com/news/20181212/charles-mansons-grandson-wants-to-change-world
Jan 1957 - George Shibley sentenced to 3 years at Terminal Island for stealing government documents. Shibley was sentenced to serve three years in prison, but served only 1 year, 5 months, and 8 days of the sentence before being granted parole." Meets Charles Manson in Terminal Island. Charlie was incarcerated at Terminal Island from about May of 1956 until Sept 30, 1958. Thus the two were together at TI from about the beginning of '57 to mid '58--roughly 18 months. Is that where their friendship began? Depending on how close they were, Shibley may have schooled Charlie on the finer points of criminal law, like how tough it would be to convict someone of murder if the accused wasn't even at the crime scene. Then almost ten years later, Shibley hears that Charlie is again at TI, just a couple of miles from his own law office. Did he just pay a social call, with nothing more to it? Or did Charlie reach out to his old friend, telling him he needed some legal advice?
murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/29/family-attorneys xdell.blogspot.com/2009/01/devils-in-slide-intelligence-design.html
May 24, 1957 - Attempted Escape from Federal Institution. Less than two weeks before a scheduled parole hearing, Manson tried to escape by stealing a car. He was given five years' probation and his parole was denied. Sentenced to 5 years probation.
September 1958 - Manson received five years' parole, the same year in which Rosalie received a decree of divorce. By November, he was pimping a 16-year-old girl and was receiving additional support from a girl with wealthy parents. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
December 3, 1958 - Comm. Violation, 332 VC. No disposition noted. (Prohibited turns at intersections) library.municode.com/nj/jersey_city/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=CH332VETR
May 1, 1959 - Forgery by Los Angeles Police Department. Released to Treasury Department.
March 4, 1959 - Mail Theft by Los Angeles Police Department. Transferred to USM. Sentenced to 10 years, suspended. Placed on 5 years probation for Stealing, Forging, Government Checks
September 1959 - Manson pleaded guilty to a charge of attempting to cash a forged $37.50 U.S. Treasury check, which he claimed to have stolen from a mailbox; the latter charge was later dropped. He received a 10-year suspended sentence and probation after a young woman named Leona, who had an arrest record for prostitution, made a "tearful plea" before the court that she and Manson were "deeply in love ... and would marry if Charlie were freed".[31] Before the year's end, the woman did marry Manson, possibly so she would not be required to testify against him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
December 14, 1959 - Grand Theft Auto by Los Angeles Police Department. No disposition noted.
December 31, 1959 - Forgery by Los Angeles Police Department. Released.
June 1, 1960 - Unlawful Transport of Females in Interstate Community for purpose of Prostitution (MANN Act). Fugitive from California. Arrested by Deputy USM, Laredo, Texas. Manson took Leona and another woman to New Mexico for purposes of prostitution, resulting in him being held and questioned for violating the Mann Act. Though he was released, Manson correctly suspected that the investigation had not ended. When he disappeared in violation of his probation, a bench warrant was issued. An indictment for violation of the Mann Act followed in April 1960.[31] Following the arrest of one of the women for prostitution, Manson was arrested in June in Laredo, Texas, and was returned to Los Angeles. For violating his probation on the check-cashing charge, he was ordered to serve his ten-year sentence.[31] www.cielodrive.com/charles-manson.php#:~:text=On%20June%201%2C%201960%2C%20Charlie,Island%20Penitentiary%20in%20Washington%20State.
June 21, 1960 - Probation Violation. Sentenced to 10 years, Federal Penitentiary, McNeil Island, Washington Manson spent a year trying unsuccessfully to appeal the revocation of his probation.
July 1961 - Manson was transferred from the Los Angeles County Jail to the United States Penitentiary at McNeil Island, Washington. There, he took guitar lessons from Barker–Karpis gang leader Alvin "Creepy" Karpis, and obtained from another inmate a contact name of someone at Universal Studios in Hollywood, Phil Kaufman.[37] According to Jeff Guinn's 2013 biography of Manson, his mother moved to Washington State to be closer to him during his McNeil Island incarceration, working nearby as a waitress.[38] Phil Kaufman Associated acts Joe Cocker Etta James The Rolling Stones Frank Zappa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Kaufman_(producer) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Karpis
1965 - Catherine "Gypsy" Share (aka Charity Shayne) released a Single "Aint it Babe" B/W "Then, You try"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Share www.imdb.com/title/tt0127207/
June 29, 1966 - Charles Manson Transferred from McNeil Island, Washington, to Terminal Island, San Pedro
February 1967 - George Shibley meets with Charles Manson at Terminal Island -Shibley already working with the Government agency's, remembered Manson from 1957, asked if he knew anyone who would be able to infiltrate the Hippies? Shibley may have schooled Charlie on the finer points of criminal law, like how tough it would be to convict someone of murder if the accused wasn't even at the crime scene. Then almost ten years later, Shibley hears that Charlie is again at TI, just a couple of miles from his own law office. Did he just pay a social call, with nothing more to it? Or did Charlie reach out to his old friend, telling him he needed some legal advice? murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/29/family-attorneys xdell.blogspot.com/2009/01/devils-in-slide-intelligence-design.html
March 21, 1967 – Charles Manson, a career criminal and con man, is released from Terminal Island state prison in California and heads to San Francisco, where he begins building his “Family” on a blend of mind control, free love rhetoric and drugs. At that time, Manson had served 16 of his 32 years behind bars for a variety of offenses. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Terminal_Island He requested that they let him stay in jail, but the warden told Charlie he had to leave. Charlie moved upstate to the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco. With his guitar and philosophies, Charlie finally found a place to fit in. It was there that he met Mary Brunner, and the family was born.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Brunner
April 1967 - In early 1967, Catherine "Gypsy" Share met Bobby Beausoleil on the set of a softcore porn movie entitled The Ramrodder. She eventually began an affair with the aspiring musician and, after meeting Charles Manson through Beausoleil, moved to the "Family" location on Spahn's Ranch, where the other Family members nicknamed her "Gypsy"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Share
www.imdb.com/title/tt0127207/
www.cielodrive.com/robert-beausoleil.php
April 1967 - In 1967, the then 47-year-old Dean Moorehouse reportedly was employed, or formerly employed as a protestant minister and was residing in San Jose, California with his family. Around this time, Dean befriended Charlie Manson after picking up the ex-con hitchhiking through the area. Manson had recently been paroled from federal prison after serving almost six years of a ten year sentence for forging a $37.50 check in May of 1959. Dean Moorehouse invited Manson to dinner at his home and Charlie ended up staying the night. Manson and Moorehouse discussed the Bible, sang religious songs and when Charlie admired an old piano at the house, Dean told him he was welcome to have it. Moorehouse told Charlie he was always welcome in his home and Manson became a frequent visitor, taking a special interest in Dean’s youngest daughter, Ruth Ann Moorhouse. Ruth lived a quiet life growing up and was just 14 years old when she met Charles Manson. Unfortunately, it was her own father who introduced her to Manson, Mary Brunner and Catherine Share when he, Dean Moorehouse, picked them up hitchhiking and brought them home to preach religious beliefs to them.
www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/ruth-ann-moorehouse/ www.charlesmanson.com/defendants/mary-brunner/
April 1967 - Charles "Tex" Watson moved to Dallas worked for Braniff Air Lines as Baggage handler) .
murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/298/texs-bio
June 5, 1967 - Steven Dennis "Clem" Grogan (aka Clem Tufts, Grant Mollan, Scramblehead, Adam Gabriel) who had dropped out of School and living and working as a ranch hand at Spahn Ranch arrested for marijuana possession
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_%22Clem%22_Grogan www.charlesmanson.com/defendants/steve-grogan/
June- 1967 - Sometime that summer, Manson found a Volkswagen Microbus for sale in Dean Moorehouse’s neighborhood and negotiated a deal with the owner to trade it for Dean’s piano. Shortly after acquiring the Microbus, Charlie took Ruth Ann Moorehouse on a trip up the coast which prompted her parents to report her as a runaway. The pair were eventually apprehended by Sheriff’s deputies on Friday, July 28, 1967. Ruth Ann was returned home and Charlie was arrested for trying to interfere with the police. The following month, Dean and Audrey Moorhouse officially ended their marriage, filing for divorce in Sonoma County. www.cielodrive.com/ruth-moorehouse.php
June 1967 - Charles "Tex" Watson moved to California from Texas.
July 21, 1967 - Charles Manson Gets his Drivers License
July 28, 1967 — Manson is arrested in Leggett, California while trying to seduce a 14 year old Ruth Ann Moorehouse and interfering with a police officer trying to do their job. He is tried in Ukiah ( County Seat) eventually sentenced 10 days in jail, 3 years probation. www.cielodrive.com/ruth-moorehouse.php en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leggett,_California en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukiah,_California www.theava.com/archives/88994/comment-page-1
September 1967 - Charles "Tex" Watson enrolled @ Cal State LA, never took a class. www.aboundinglove.org/main/images/bookPDFs/Will_You_Die_For_Mesmall.pdf
October 1967 - Charles "Tex" Watson Got a job as a wig salesman in Beverly Hills - mostly building Store display cabinets www.aboundinglove.org/main/images/bookPDFs/Will_You_Die_For_Mesmall.pdf
December 10, 1967 – Manson and his five original female followers (Susan “Sadie Mae” Atkins, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, Patricia “Katie” Krenwinkel, Mary Bruner and Ella Jo Bailey) commandeer a school bus, remodel it in psychedelic colors and leave the Bay area to travel up and down the west coast for the winter before finally relocating to Los Angeles in the spring. The Family grows from 5 to 50 members over the next year. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins www.charlesmanson.com/defendants/susan-atkins/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeaky_Fromme www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/lynette-fromme/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Krenwinkel www.charlesmanson.com/defendants/patricia-krenwinkel/ www.charlesmanson.com/witnesses/ella-jo-bailey-witness/
Dec 1967 --Paul Watkins: "I was busted for marijuana and put on probation in December 1967."
www.charlesmanson.com/prosecution/paul-watkins/ tatelabianca.blogspot.com/2006/06/my-life-with-charles-manson-chapter.html
Dec 1967 - Charles "Tex" Watson pall bearer at HS Buddy Tommy Caraway’s funeral in Texas (killed in Viet Nam) www.aboundinglove.org/main/images/bookPDFs/Will_You_Die_For_Mesmall.pdf
January 1968 - Charles "Tex" Watson had car accident in Laurel Canyon. Injured knee, had operation.
Feb 19, 1968 --Manson: Failure to Appear and Right Turns at Intersection by Los Angeles Police Department. No disposition noted. web.archive.org/web/20120824195610/http://charliemanson.com/documents/drbc-2.htm
Feb 23, 1968 -–Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme arrested, Redwood City, CA murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/5/1968
March 9, 1968 --Bruce Davis arrested for possession of marijuana, the case was dismissed 'in the interest of justice.' www.cielodrive.com/bruce-davis-parole-hearing-2007.php
March 1968 - Linda and Bob Kasabian had their first child, Tanya Kasabian. www.cielodrive.com/linda-kasabian.php
March 1968 --"We (Dianne Lake's friends Jan and Joan) went up to the (Summit Trail)house (Topanga) first but were followed by a cop. To be honest, Dianne, he told us not to go up there like there was something wrong."
For Highvale Trail photos, click here.
murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/1238/member-family www.mansonblog.com/2012/11/summit-trail-and-highvale-trail-in.html web.archive.org/web/20101122055721/http://charliemanson.com/places/rb-summit_trail.htm
March 1968 - Charles "Tex" Watson Opened unsuccessful wig shop Love Locs - Began dealing drugs
April 1, 1968 - Charlie became a father for the third time when Mary Brunner gave birth to Valentine Michael Manson. Charlie had named him after the main character in Robert Heinlien's book Stranger In A Strange Land. allthatsinteresting.com/charles-manson-son-valentine-michael-manson
April 21, 1968 — Charles Manson, Marcus Arneson (above) and other members of the Family are arrested in Ventura County for possessing fake drivers licenses. www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/marcus-arneson/
May 2, 1968 — -Summit Trail house raided; Manson arrested with Dianne Lake and Bruce Davis on pot possession. Ruled 'insufficient evidence to prosecute.
May 1968--Mary Brunner placed on two years' probation by Judge Phillip West in Camarillo Municipal Court. web.archive.org/web/20140209212502/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/nine-nude-hippies-arrested-found-huddled-around-bonfire.2591/
May 26, 1968 – Beach Boys drummer Dennis Wilson picks up Manson Family members Patricia Krenwinkel and Ella Jo Bailey hitchhiking and takes them back to his mansion in the Pacific Palisades to have sex. Within 24 hours, Manson and the rest of the Family move into the log-cabin style estate once owned by Will Rogers. Wilson plugs aspiring-musician Manson into the L.A. rock-and-roll scene, even paying for him to record his songs, but by the end of the summer Manson and his girls had worn out their welcome at Wilson’s place and move out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Wilson www.cielodrive.com/updates/audio-archives-ella-jo-bailey/
May, 1968 - Charles "Tex" Watson met Charles Manson @ Dennis Wilson’s House
June, 1968 --Brooks Poston: "Charlie told Lynn Fromme to take the people I was with to a place to stay. It was called the Spiral Staircase house on Topanga Lane. And uh, as soon as we got there, or shortly there after, approximately 30 minutes, the Malibu sheriff’s came and took us all in for questioning; released three of the people, and sent three back to Ukiah from where we came." (see Nancy Warren & Clyda Jean Delaney below )
www.cielodrive.com/brooks-poston.php murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/802/snake-pit?page=2&scrollTo=16269
www.mansonblog.com/2011/06/hey-charlie-black-beard-charlie.html
June 22, 1968 — Original “Manson girls” Sadie Atkins, Katie Krenwinkel, Mary Bruner and Ella Jo Bailey are arrested in Mendocino County on drug charges in what became known as the “Witches of Mendocino Raid” case. The Mansonites were on a recruiting mission in the area and they upset local residents who called them black magic “Witches” in the local press and campaigned to get them kicked out of town. Atkins, Brunner, Ella Jo Bailey, Susan Scott, and Cathran Patricia Smith(Krenwinkle) arrested. Susan Atkins and Brunner thrown in jail. Atkins put on probation.
August 8, 1968 – Manson records parts of what became a future album (post incarceration) on Dennis Wilson’s dime at the famous Gold Star Studios exactly one year to the day from the Tate slayings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Star_Studios
August 9, 1968 – Manson and Wilson do an “overdub” session at a small Sound City Studio in Van Nuys, smoothing over the rough edges of the prior afternoon’s recording, exactly one year to the day from the LaBianca slayings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_City_Studios#:~:text=Sound%20City%20Studios%20is%20a,English%20musical%20instrument%20manufacturer%20Vox.
Aug 12, 1968 - Steve "Clem" Grogan arrested for shoplifting
Aug, 1968 -- Charles"Tex" Watson ticketed for speeding in San Luis Obispo County with Dean Moorehouse. Arrest warrant issued after Watson failed to appear in court. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Watson www.cielodrive.com/updates/?s=Dean+Moorehouse
August 16, 1968 – Manson and The Family set up camp at the Spahn Ranch in Chatsworth, a property once used to shoot cowboy movies and owned by 80-year old George Spahn, who takes a liking to the Manson girls and allows the Family to stay for free. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Spahn
September, 1968 -- Charles"Tex" Watson Joined Family, living in tent @ Spahn for 2 weeks w/ Dean. Watson building house for Manson. Worked until Dec
Oct 3, 1968 --Manson visited by Federal Parole Officers at Spahn Ranch www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-52.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3MVKeeg7exwC99pU6VRqvj2gFOVn1bf3dQ5QzAqrvrNqBinLtNx7-GGxw, pg196of198
October 13, 1968 – Nancy Warren (64) & Clyda Jean Delaney (24) were found beaten and strangled to death near Ukiah, California. Clyda Jean Delaney was affiliated with the Manson Family and eight months pregnant. They were garroted and bound by three dozen leather-thong necklaces, a common clothing staple in Family circles. Nancy was Clyda's Grandmother. A seven-year-old boy ran out of his trailer home and found his mother dead on the wet ground outside the front door. The boy ran for his grandmother's trailer nearby. She was dead too, garroted like the boy's mother with a pair of long leather boot laces.
www.theava.com/archives/250 cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19691206&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1 www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/ca-clyda-delaney-24-nancy-warren-64-mendocino-county-13-oct-1968.314409/
November , 1968 -- Charles"Tex" Watson left Family to live with David Lynn Neale but later returned
November 18, 1968 – The Family establishes a second home base at the more remote Barker Ranch in Death Valley and nearby Myers Ranch (owned by the grandmother of Family member Catherine “Cappy” Gillies),in an attempt to further isolate themselves from the world and prep for Manson’s race-war apocalypse theory. Manson gives Gillies’ grandmother a Beach Boys gold record he had ripped off from Dennis Wilson as a token of appreciation for letting them stay on her property.
wonderhussy.com/death-valley-barker-ranch-friday-the-13th-what-could-go-wrong/
www.charlesmanson.com/vicinity-crimes/barker-ranch/
The Myers used it as a recreational property until 1960 prior to moving with their children to Fresno California. It is known mostly as one of the hideouts used by the Manson Family in the late 1960s and early 1970s. It is just a half-mile from the more infamous Barker Ranch. Like Barker, Myers was located on General Land Office-administered property. www.charlesmanson.com/vicinity-crimes/myers-ranch/ www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/catherine-gillies/
December 1, 1968 - Charles"Tex" Watson and Charles Manson first heard the Beatles "White Album" on Topanga Canyon Lane (which is same street the Spiral Staircase was on).
December 2, 1968 - Charles"Tex" Watson & David Lynn Neale had Army physical.Watson unfit, Neale enlisted. Watson got Neale's car lived w/ Neale's brother Jay. Watson moved in w/ Luella (Neale's gf) beside Magic Castle on Sunset. Watson & Luella dealt drugs
December 2, 1968 – The Beach Boys release Manson’s song Cease To Exist as the retitled Never Learn Not To Love without crediting him, escalating tensions between him and Dennis Wilson and Wilson’s industry pals.
(Go to 3:45 min) www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/beach-boys-song-written-by-charles-manson-12371418.php
December 29, 1968 – Marina Habe, a 17-year old freshman in college and Manson Family hang-around, is kidnapped from her parents driveway following a date (her parents were author Hans Habe and actress Eloise Hardt) and found two days later beaten and stabbed to death in a brushy embankment off Mulholland Drive in Los Angeles.
Jan 22, 1969 - Steven Dennis "Clem" Grogan arrested for loitering
Jan 16-22 1969 - Spiral Staircase House destroyed during severe winter storm and flooding.
Feb 1969 --Barker Ranch raided after giving daughter of local sheriff's deputy some marijuana. (The Family, pg359)
March 8, 1969 — A John Doe known only as the “Old Hermit” is beaten to death in Belmont, Nevada allegedly by a group of hippies matching the description of the Manson Family, confirmed to be squatting in the town at an abandoned courthouse around the time of the homicide. Belmont wasn’t far from Barker Ranch. The Old Hermit was an elderly prospector who bragged of having a hidden treasure of gold bricks on his property. His last words to a neighbor before he died at Clark County Hospital were “I never told them where the gold was.”
March 23, 1969 – Manson goes to actress Sharon Tate’s Benedict Canyon home at 10050 Cielo Drive in Beverly Hills looking for music producer Terry Melcher,(son of Doris Day) who once lived there. Tate’s photographer and the property’s landlord, talent manager Rudi Altobelli confront Manson and tell him to leave. Tate and her husband, acclaimed Polish director Roman Polanski took the property over from Melcher in the months before the encounter. Manson had previously attended a party at the house with Wilson and his right-hand man Charles (Tex) Watson when Melcher resided on the swanky estate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Tate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Melcher en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Melcher en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Day en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Watson variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
March 23, 1969 — Christine Smith, 16 (aka the "Girl from Reseda") reports being raped at Spahn. Police investigated but no arrest [http://murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/6/1969] murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/1466/timeline-family-enforcement-1967-1969
March 30, 1969 — --Manson arrested for beating up Danny DeCarlo's wife. [The Family, pg`150] www.charlesmanson.com/testimony/danny-decarlo/ www.charlesmanson.com/defendants/danny-decarlo/ www.cielodrive.com/daniel-decarlo.php
April 5, 1969 - Steven Dennis "Clem" Grogan arrested-grand theft auto, prowling
April 1969-- Leslie Van Houten 'picked up' by police for hitchhiking in the San Fernando Valley near Spahn.
[Alone with the Devil, by Ronald Markman, pg213] www.cielodrive.com/leslie-van-houten.php
April 19, 1969 --Police looking for stolen cars raided the Spahn ranch, arrest several of the Family, including Barbara Hoyt, Van Houten and Fromme,(Grand Theft Auto) – though not the absent Manson – and impounded some dune buggies. The arrests didn’t stick.
www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/ www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n21/christian-lorentzen/the-way-out-of-a-room-is-not-through-the-door --Another version from Van Houten's 1985 parole hearing says the arrests happened away from Spahn:
www.leslievanhouten.com/1985-transcript.html pg42
"The arrest record--the first entry is dated April 19, 1969, I guess she was about 20, the entry is for grand theft auto, but that charge was dismissed for insufficient evidence. The prisoner was--she stated she was in a milk truck, along with some friends and they were stopped by the police."
--At the TLB trial, Barbara Hoyt says the arrests happened in Lancaster, as they were on the way to Barker Ranch.
[LADA DVD 1 of 4 box 16 Vol5016 pg71of173]
--At the Grogan retrial, Barbara Hoyt says the arrests happened on April 28, in Lancaster, in a milk wagon w/o a pink slip. Police seize vehicle. www.cielodrive.com/barbara-hoyt.php www.cielodrive.com/leslie-van-houten.php www.cielodrive.com/lynette-fromme.php
April 1969--Ruth Ann Moorehouse was arrested and placed in juvenile hall. www.cielodrive.com/ruth-moorehouse.php
April 22, 23(?)1969 --Tex Watson arrested in Van Nuys for public intoxication(Belladonna) murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/298/texs-bio
May 6, 1969- Barbara Hoyt arrested for shoplifting a carton of cigarettes. She spends a couple of days in juvenile hall in Ventura County. www.charlesmanson.com/witnesses/barbara-hoyt/
May, 1969-- Charlie associate Gregg Jacobson (and Dennis Wilson songwriting partner) arrested at Spahn Ranch by Sheriff's Deputies for an (outstanding) 'ticket.' [Chaos, by Tom O'Neill pg455] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Jakobson
May 18, 1969 – Terry Melcher goes to Spahn Ranch to give Manson an audition and leaves unimpressed.
May 1969 - Bob Kasabian talked Linda Kasabian into coming out to California. Bob was living in Topanga Canyon with a man named Charles Melton www.cielodrive.com/linda-kasabian.php
May 20, 1969 - Steven Dennis "Clem" Grogan arrested-grand theft auto, prowling
May, 1969 - Marcus Arneson leaves Spahn Ranch, not to return until after the Gary Hinman Murder
June 3, 1969 — Terry Melcher and Gregg Jackobson arrived at Spahn and there were two policemen there interrogating Charlie about the Christine Smith (age 16) rape. On the next day(June 4), it says, Charlie was arrested on that charge and bailed out the next day. "Nothing ever happened with the charge and once again Charlie Manson got away with encroachment." [Sanders, pg191-2]
June , 1969 - Charles Manson bought rope @ Jack Frost Army Surplus Store in Santa Monica similar to Tate murder rope www.mansonblog.com/2011/01/question.html www.city-data.com/forum/california/54438-nostalgia-26.html
June 4, 1969 --Manson arrested and charged with DUI and being on drugs after being pulled over for speeding in the San Fernando Valley at 3:30am. Thomas "TJ "Walleman, Nancy Pitman, Leslie Van Houten, Susan Atkins also arrested for being on drugs. All except Atkins released within 24 hours. Atkins shipped north to face parole violation charges. [Chaos, Tom O'Neill, pg274] (Manson went to court on this charge and paid a fine of $25 on July 11. See www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-52.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3MVKeeg7exwC99pU6VRqvj2gFOVn1bf3dQ5QzAqrvrNqBinLtNx7-GGxw , pg188of198 www.charlesmanson.com/witnesses/thomas-walleman/ www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/nancy-pitman/
June 5, 1969 Charlie Manson's Misdemeanor Warrant 647F PC DRK; 40 days jail ('647f PC' is some kind of "public intoxication/drunk-in-public" -type charge) web.archive.org/web/20120824195610/http://charliemanson.com/documents/drbc-2.htm
June 6, 1969 — Charles Manson is arrested on the Christine Smith rape charge in Reseda, but is released from jail the next day and the case was soon dismissed.
June 7, 1969 --Susan Atkins is booked into the Mendocino County Jail for parole violations. Released on June 28, 1969
June 1969 --Steve Grogan, "Clem," was arrested for exposing himself to a group of school children. He was sentenced to a 90-day observation period at Camarillo State Mental Hospital, but walked out and returned to Spahn's Ranch 2 days later.
[Presumably he would have had an arrest warrant put out for him after this.]
JUNE 18 1969 - SDS Convention Chicago - Weather Underground en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground Weather Underground's red spray-painted message on a wall inside a bank they trashed.
"DEAD PIGs ARE GOOD"
This came just weeks before the TLB killings. Was Sandy Good right? Were the killings just part of a larger revolution? She was probably just blowing smoke, but others (like Pitman, Squeaky and Manson himself) have said the same thing.
June 30, 1969 - At Spahn, Frank Retz calls sheriffs on Charlie for breaking into his car and stealing real estate paperwork. No arrests. www.mansonblog.com/2015/10/frank-retz.html
law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/71/1.html
July 1, 1969 – Tex Watson hatched a plan to purchase a large amount of marijuana but he needed to borrow the cash from Luella (David Neale's Girlfriend - co owner of Wig Shop) The deal was for 25 kilos of marijuana for $2,500 which Tex would allow Luella to keep three kilos for herself if she could come up with the cash to make the initial purchase and help him sell off the rest, before he skimmed some off the top himself of course. However, Tex would need to meet with a local dealer who would only deal with him personally and the lowest quantity he would supply was 25 kilos at a minimum. Luella didn’t have the cash for such a transaction, but she knew someone who did and who would likely want the rest of the goods so that they could each effectively take their cuts, three kilos each for free, and supply the rest to the person she knew would have the money. His name was Bernard “Lotsapoppa” Crowe and he was a dealer Luella knew who could easily put up the cash in turn for the majority of drugs. Unknown to Luella, Tex had no intent of delivering and was planning to steal the cash. Manson gets into an argument with an African-American gangster named Bernard (Lotsapoppa) Crowe over a drug deal and shoots him in the chest inside his West Hollywood apartment. www.charlesmanson.com/prosecution/bernard-crowe/
July 4, 1969 - Linda Kasabian It was through Charles Melton that Linda Kasabian first met Manson family member Catherine Share (Gypsy). When things didn't work out with Bob, Linda decided to go with Gypsy back to Spahn's Ranch.
July 5, 1969 - Linda Kasabian After a day at the ranch, Linda returned to Topanga Canyon, retrieved her belongings, stole $5,000 from Charles Melton, came back to Spahn's with Tanya Kasabian ( 1 yr old) and joined the family. www.cielodrive.com/linda-kasabian.php
July 14, 1969 - In a special message to Congress, President Richard Nixon identifies drug abuse as "a serious national threat." Citing a dramatic jump in drug-related juvenile arrests and street crime between 1960 and 1967, Nixon calls for a national anti-drug policy at the state and federal level.
1969 Keith Richards enroute to Altamont - note the Airports already had signage for a "Drug Free America"
July 17, 1969 – Mark Walts, 16, was found beaten and shot to death, his body dumped on Mullholland Drive. Walts had been spending his summer with the Manson Family at Spahn Ranch. He disappeared from the Santa Monica Pier the day before his body was discovered. Walts’ older brother called Manson at the ranch accusing him of the murder and vowing revenge.
murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/517/mark-walts
July 19, 1969 — Santa Monica Police homicide detectives visit Spahn Ranch to interview Manson about the murder of Mark Watts days earlier.
July 25, 1969 - Bobby Beausoleil, drives from Spahn ranch to Gary Hinman's house to collect $1,000 for bad Mescaline which Bobby sold to Straight Satin's motorcycle gang the day before. Hinmans friends, Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner ask to go with Bobby to Hinmans Topaga Canyon home. Ella jo Bailey saw Brunner, Atkins, Beausoleil and a fourth unidentified person drive off in a ranchhand's car which was driven by the fourth person. Davis was still in the parking lot. law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/71/1.html July 27, 1969 – Music teacher and Manson Family associate Gary Hinman is killed inside his Topanga Canyon home by Manson and Family members Bobby Beausoleil, Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner over a drug debt owed to The Family and the belief that he had a $20,000 inheritance he wasn’t willing to share with them. Hinman had been held hostage for two days and Manson had cut off his ear with a sword prior to Beausoleil stabbing him to death on Manson’s orders. The words “political piggy” and a drawn paw print were scrawled in Hinman’s blood on the wall of the residence. Brunner was called as a witness by the People. By means of prior inconsistent statements (a transcript of her testimony at the trial of People v. Beausoleil, supra), fn. 8 the People established that in the latter part of July 1969, around midnight, Brunner, Beausoleil and Atkins were driven to Hinman's house by Davis. Beausoleil asked Hinman for money. Hinman said he did not have any. Beausoleil pulled a gun. Beausoleil and Hinman got in a fight in the kitchen. Beausoleil hit Hinman over the head more than once with the gun. Hinman's head was cut and bleeding. Beausoleil asked Brunner to clean up Hinman and gave Atkins the gun to hold on Hinman. Beausoleil went into the living room. Hinman took the gun away from Atkins. Beausoleil returned to the kitchen and resumed the fight with Hinman. During the struggle the gun discharged and a bullet went under the sink. Manson and Davis entered the house. Manson had a sword. Manson and Hinman struggled in the living room. Brunner was in the kitchen. Manson came into the kitchen with his finger cut. Brunner bandaged Manson's finger and went into the living room where Atkins was bandaging Hinman's ear. Hinman's ear was cut in two and he had a cut running down his cheek. Manson and Davis left Hinman's home in Hinman's Fiat station wagon. Atkins, Brunner and Beausoleil stayed at Hinman's house Saturday and Sunday for two days and nights. During this period Atkins answered the telephone and, using an English accent, told the callers that Hinman had gone to Colorado because one of his parents was sick.
Jay Hofstadter and Richard Siegel testified that they telephoned the Hinman home. Hofstadter testified that he telephoned Saturday, July 26, 1969, that a female answered the phone and said that Hinman had gone back to Colorado because his parents had gotten in an automobile accident. The girl said she came from London. She spoke with a British [71 Cal. App. 3d 18] accent. Siegel called on Sunday, July 27, 1969. Siegel testified to the same effect.
Brunner's prior testimony also established that during the two-day period that Atkins, Brunner and Beausoleil stayed at Hinman's house, Hinman lay bleeding and sleeping. Atkins, Brunner and Beausoleil searched the house for things of value. They found "about twenty bucks" and two pink slips and two white slips to the cars. Beausoleil had Hinman endorse the pink slips. While Atkins and Brunner were in the kitchen, they heard a noise and rushed into the living room and Brunner found Beausoleil with a knife in his hand. Hinman had been stabbed. He was bleeding from the chest. They cleaned the place up obliterating fingerprints. Hinman went into a coma. Beausoleil said it was all over. Hinman then started breathing with a "loud raspy breathing." Beausoleil put a pillow over Hinman's head. He asked Brunner to hold it. Brunner did so for about two minutes and gave it to Atkins. They left Hinman's house in his Volkswagen which they had to "hotwire." Brunner took the nine millimeter Radom gun with her. law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/71/1.html www.mansonblog.com/2012/05/gary-hinmans-bus.html
July 28, 1969 — In the early hours of July 28th, about three or four Los Angeles Sheriff's patrol cars, at least one from the LAPD, and possibly two more from the California Highway Patrol showed up at Spahn Ranch, investigating stolen cars. Only ranch hand Johnny Swartz was arrested--for having false license plate on his car.(same car which Bruce Davis used to collect Gary Hinman's VW Microbus www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/johnny-swartz/#:~:text=Johnny%20Swartz%20was%20born%20on,of%20Los%20Angeles%20called%20Reseda.
www.mansonblog.com/2020/03/the-unanswered-questions-of-spahn-ranch.html
July 30, 1969 – Family member Kitty Lutesinger, Bobby Beausoleil’s pregnant girlfriend, flees Spahn Ranch and goes to a police station to report what she knows about Manson and Beausoleil’s connections to the Hinman murder. www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/kathryn-lutesinger/
July 31, 1969 - Los Angeles County Deputy Sheriff, Paul Piet discovers the body of Gary Hinman at 964 Old Topanga Canyon Road law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/71/1.html
August, 1969 - Marcus Arneson returns to Spahn Ranch. Marius John Arneson testified that in 1969 he lived at the Spahn Ranch, that he left the ranch and returned in late July or August 1969, that Beausoleil drove him and Manson in a white Fiat station wagon to look at a Volkswagen microbus which was on the Spahn Ranch, that Manson gave him Hinman's Volkswagen microbus which had to be "hotwired" to drive, that Manson gave him a pink slip and instructed him that if he ever got in a hassle over the registration to say that he had gotten it from a Gary Hinman who was supposed to be a Black Panther.
August 6, 1969 – Bobby Beausoleil is arrested asleep at the wheel of Hinman’s stolen white-coloed Fiat station wagon on the side of the road on U.S. Route 101 in Cuesta Grade. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Beausoleil Beausoleil was arrested on August 6, 1969, after falling asleep in Hinman's broken down Fiat alongside the Highway 101 , heading north just outside San Luis Obispo half way up the steep Cuesta Grade, a steep segment of U.S. Route 101 between San Luis Obispo and Atascadero.[5] 100 yards from the Cuesta Inn ( (known as Del Vaglio Real Estate Office today) www.historic101.com/Cuesta/Location_1.htm
web.archive.org/web/20140209221712/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/marcus-and-the-hinman-autos.57/
web.archive.org/web/20161030062923/https://www.bardachreports.com/articles/oa_19811100.htm
capote.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/truman-capote-interviews-bobby-beausoleil-san-quentin-1973/ www.charlesmanson.com/victims/gary-hinman/ www.cielodrive.com/bobby-beausoleil-arrest-report-08-06-69.php www.historic101.com/Cuesta/Location_1.htm www.historic101.com/Cuesta/main.htm derangedlacrimes.com/?tag=1969 www.mansonblog.com/2020/03/the-unanswered-questions-of-spahn-ranch.html
AUGUST 7. 1969 - Charles Manson given a traffic citation in Oceanside, driving this bakery truck. www.cielodrive.com/aaron-stovitz-3-19-70-rolling-stone-interview.php
August 8, 1969 – Mary Brunner and Family member Sandra Good were arrested in San Fernando, California on August 8 at a Sears store for purchasing items with a stolen credit card. (Driving the Bakery Truck) Brunner had signed for her purchases with the alias "Mary Vitasek" and the two women fled the store when a cashier became suspicious. www.cielodrive.com/aaron-stovitz-3-19-70-rolling-stone-interview.php
August 9, 1969 – The Tate-Polanski Murders: Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, Wojceich Frykowski & Steven Parent are killed by Manson Family members Tex Watson, Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel at the estate in Beverly Hills owned by Tate and her acclaimed director husband Roman Polanski. Linda Kasabian was the Driver. Sharon Tate was eight months pregnant and Polanski was away in Europe so Sebring, a former boyfriend of Tate’s and renowned male hairdresser, and Folger and Frykowski, a couple Tate and Polanski were friends with, were keeping her company the night the Manson followers invaded the premises brandishing knives. Watson, Atkins and Krenwinkel proceeded to shoot and stab them to death. The word “pig” was written on the home’s front door in Tate’s blood. The teenage Parent was shot and killed by Watson after visiting his friend who was staying in the estate’s guest house. -- Anomalies in the LAPD response time www.mansonblog.com/2019/12/missing-911.html www.cielodrive.com/linda-kasabian.php
August 10, 1969 – Grocery store owners Leno & Rosemary LaBianca were stabbed to death inside their Los Felix home by Watson, Krenwinkel and fellow Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten after returning from a vacation. Unlike the previous night at the Tate-Polanski house, Manson drove with his followers to the murder scene and tied the LaBiancas up with his leather thongs before the rest came inside and reignited the carnage. The words “helter skelter” and “rise” were written in the couple’s blood on the walls and refrigerator. Linda Kasabian once again drove a carload of killers around Los Angeles, finally dropping off Tex, Katie, and Leslie at the Labianca residence. Afterwhich, Manson dropped Linda, Sadie, and Clem off at a Venice Beach apartment complex. The three were instructed to kill an actor that once picked Kasabian up hitchhiking. Linda purposely brought Sadie and Clem to the wrong door, and the mission was aborted.
August 11, 1969 – Linda Kasabian flees Spahn Ranch and the Family for New Mexico and then back home to New Hampshire by the fall. On August 11, 1969, Manson instructed Linda to bring a message to the jailed Sandy Good, Mary Brunner, and Bobby Beausoleil. Kasabian saw it as an opportunity to flee the ranch (without Tanya). She drove straight to Taos, New Mexico, where her husband was living with another woman. Linda explained what had happened, and said that she couldn't have brought Tanya (her Daughter)because it would've looked too suspicious. Bob Kasabian wanted to go back to Spahn's Ranch to get his daughter, but Linda was too afraid. After making a call to Spahn' Ranch, Linda learned that Tanya Kasabian had been placed in foster care after the raid on August 16th. After talking to a social worker, Linda returned to Los Angeles and eventually got her daughter back. From there, Linda and Tanya flew back to New Mexico, only to hitchhike all the way to her father's home in Florida, and finally back to her mother in New Hampshire.
After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. She was last reported to be living with Tanya in Washington State. A car accident left Linda mildly disabled, and unable to work. In late 1996 Linda and one of her daughters were arrested in a police raid which uncovered some drugs and a gun. Linda's daughter, aka "Lady Dangerous" was arrested for possession of a controlled substance (both rock and powder cocaine), and was sentenced to a year in state prison. Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes.
www.cielodrive.com/linda-kasabian.php www.mansonblog.com/2016/11/joe-sage-linda-kasabians-former-mentor.html Joe Sage
www.lsb3.com/2016/09/linda-kasabian-and-joe-sage-new-mexico.html www.cielodrive.com/linda-kasabian.php
August 15, 1969 – Kitty Lutesinger returns to Spahn Ranch and rejoin the Family.
August 16, 1969 – Police raid Spahn Ranch as part of their ongoing auto-theft investigation and arrest Manson and more than two dozen Family members. They are all released within 48 hours due to a faulty search warrant.
August 24, 1969 – Manson is arrested for marijuana possession on the adjoining Kelly Ranch when the owner calls the police to have him removed from the property. He’s held for two days and is released. law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/71/1.html
August 26, 1969 – Donald (Shorty) Shea, George Spahn’s ranch hand, is killed by Tex Watson and Manson henchmen Bruce Davis and Steve (Clem) Grogan on Manson’s orders for the belief that Shea was acting as a police informant and had aided authorities in getting the warrant for the Spahn Ranch raid 10 days earlier. Grogan bludgeoned Shea inside an automobile and then Watson and Davis dragged him into a canyon on the Spahn Ranch property and stabbed him to death.
September 1, 1969 – The gun (a 22-caliber Buntline revolver) used by Tex Watson in the Tate home slayings is found by a 10-year old boy named Stevie Weiss in the backyard of his Van Nuys home. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Buntline
September 4, 1969 – Manson and the Family leave Spahn Ranch and relocate permanently to Barker Ranch.
October 1969 - Ed Butler (CIA Operative) wrote article "Did Hate kill Tate"
spartacus-educational.com/JFKbutlerED.htm
www.mansonblog.com/2016/03/coincidences-and-conspiracies.html
October 1, 1969 – Inyo County drug dealer Fillippo Tennerelli is found dead of a suspicious suicide in a motel room near Barker Ranch. Tennerelli and the Family engaged in narcotics transactions.
October 2, 1969 – Tex Watson flees Barker Ranch for his home near Denton, Texas.
October 3, 1969 – Brooks Poston is interviewed by LAPD in INYO County - after fleeing Barker Ranch due to Charles Manson ordering him to cut the throat of Sheriff Ward of Inyo County www.cielodrive.com/updates/brooks-postons-october-3rd-1969-interview-with-james-pursell-in-inyo-county/
October 9, 1969 – Kitty Lutesinger and fellow Family member Stephanie Schram flee Barker Ranch in fear for their lives and flag down a passing California Highway Patrol car for protection (Lutesinger wound up returning to the Family for a third time in 1970), implicating Manson and others in the Hinman and Tate-LaBianca homicides. www.charlesmanson.com/family-members/stephanie-schram/
October 10, 1969 – Police stage two consecutive raids of Barker Ranch on a new warrant from their auto-theft investigation, as well as the belief that Family members had set fire to an earthmoving machine as an environmental protest. Manson is arrested with 25 of his followers, including Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel, who is released the next day and flees for home in Alabama. The hippie guru never tastes freedom again.
October 12, 1969 - Susan Bartell joined the family after the Tate-Labianca murders. On October 12, 1969, the California Highway Patrol, together with the National Park Rangers, and the Inyo County Sheriffs Office, raided the Barker Ranch. Bartell, in a car full of groceries, arrived shortly after the 2nd raid, and was arrested. The following month, the Venice Police Department responded to a reported suicide at a house rented by a man named Mark Ross. A 22-year-old man, nicknamed "Zero", had killed himself playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun. When police arrived, they found a group of family members, including Bartell. Everyone there insisted that Zero had killed himself, even though the gun was wiped clean of prints. Susan eventually left the family before the mid 70's. www.cielodrive.com/susan-bartell.php
October 14, 1969 – Susan Atkins confesses to the Tate-LaBianca to her cellmates Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard.
October 16, 1969 – Ronnie Howard contacts police to tell them of Atkins’ confession to her.
November 5, 1969 – Manson Family member John (Zero) Haught was found in his house off Venice Beach with a single gunshot wound to the head. Family members reported to police that Haught died playing Russian roulette, however, he was rumored to have been cooperating with authorities after an arrest the month before and many experts think he was murdered.
November 7, 1969 – Teenage Scientologists James Sharp & Doreen Gaul were found brutally stabbed to death in a Los Angeles alleyway down the street from where Leno and Rosemary LaBianca lived and were slain. Manson was connected to the sect of Scientology Sharp and Gaul belonged to called “The Process” and Sharp and Gaul had been hanging around Spahn Ranch with the Family the previous summer.
November 12, 1969 – Alan Springer member of the Straight Satan's motorcycle club interviewed by LAPD www.cielodrive.com/updates/the-alan-springer-interviews/ www.cielodrive.com/updates/the-al-springer-november-1969-parker-center-interviews-tape-one/ www.cielodrive.com/updates/the-al-springer-november-1969-parker-center-interviews-tape-two/ www.cielodrive.com/updates/the-al-springer-november-1969-parker-center-interviews-tape-three/ www.cielodrive.com/updates/the-al-springer-november-1969-parker-center-interviews-tape-four/
www.cielodrive.com/updates/the-al-springer-november-1969-parker-center-interviews-tape-five/
November 16, 1969 – Manson Family member Reet Jurvetson was found heinously stabbed to death in a brushy embankment bordering Mulholland Drive. Authorities were not able to identify her conclusively until 2016. She had lived at the ranch with The Family from July 1968 through February 1969 and dated “Zero” Haught. Many believe she was present when Haught either killed himself or was killed earlier in the month.
November 23, 1969 – Family member Danny DeCarlo of the Straight Satans biker gang cuts a deal with the L.A. District Attorney’s Office to cooperate against Manson. DeCarlo was the Straight Satans treasurer and the Family’s sergeant-at-arms. He turns over the sword Manson used to slice off Gary Hinman’s ear.
November 26, 1969 – Susan Atkins begins negotiations to cut a deal with the L.A. County District Attorneys’ Office, agreeing to testify about her involvement in the Tate-LaBianca slayings in return for the promise not to seek the death penalty against her.
NOVEMBER 26, 1969 and NOVEMBER 28, 1969 - Leslie Van Houton is interviewed by LAPD AT SYBIL BRAND INSTITUTE www.cielodrive.com/updates/leslie-van-houten-1969-lapd-interviews/
November 29, 1969 – Danny DeCarlo takes LAPD on a guided tour of Spahn Ranch, still inhabited by loosely-affiliated stragglers from the Family.
November 30, 1969 – Tex Watson is arrested in McKinney, Texas and immediately begins fighting extradition to California. He is eventually severed from the Manson Family Trial and gets a separate jury for himself.
December 1, 1969 – Arrest warrants are issued for Linda Kasasbian and Krenwinkle.
December 1, 1969 – Manson Family member Joel Pugh, the husband of fervent Manson loyalist Sandra Good was found dead in a London hotel room, his wrists slit and his throat cut. The words “Jack & Jill” were written in blood on the hotel room wall and Manson Family henchman Bruce Davis was in Great Britain at the time.
December 2, 1969 – Linda Kasabian is arrested without incident in New Hampshire and Krenwinkle the same in Alabama.
December 5, 1969 – Susan Atkins, exhibiting a cold and detached demeanor on the witness stand, testifies in front of the grand jury in graphic detail about the Tate-LaBianca murders, earning prosecutors a first-degree murder indictment against Manson, Watson, Krenwinkel, Van Houten and Kasabian.
December 8, 1969 – Family member Diane Lake testifies in front of the grand jury.
December 9, 1969 – Shorty Shea’s car (1962 blue-colored Mercury) is found abandoned on a street in Chatsworth. Inside the vehicle, police find Bruce Davis’ palm print.
December 21, 1969 – Leslie Van Houten starts talking to police about her participation in the LaBianca murders and a possible cooperation deal.
December 29, 1969 – Leslie Van Houten records a taped confession with her attorney, but eventually decides against signing an agreement to cooperate. www.cielodrive.com/updates/leslie-van-houten-interviewed-by-marvin-part/
December 30, 1969 – Dianne Lake is interviewed by LAPD in INYO County www.cielodrive.com/dianne-lake-12-30-69-lapd-interview.php
December 30, 1969 – Ruth Ann Moorehouse is interviewed by LAPD in INYO County www.cielodrive.com/updates/ruth-ann-moorehouse-lapd-interview-12-30-69-part-one/ www.cielodrive.com/updates/ruth-ann-moorehouse-lapd-interview-12-30-69-part-two/
Jan 1, 1970 - 1st Manson book Book 5 to Die (by Jerry LeBlanc and Ivor Davis) is released -
January 6, 1970 – Linda Kasabian is extradited to L.A.
January 27, 1969 – Harold True is interviewed by LAPD www.cielodrive.com/updates/harold-true-aaron-stovitz-1-27-70-part-one/ www.cielodrive.com/updates/harold-true-aaron-stovitz-1-27-70-part-two/
January 27, 1969 – Phil Kauffman is interviewed by LAPD www.cielodrive.com/updates/phil-kaufman-aaron-stovitz-1-27-70/
February 17, 1970 – Patricia Krenwinkel is extradited to L.A.
February 26, 1970 – L.A. County prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi cuts a deal with Linda Kasabian to become a witness.
March 6, 1970 – An album of Manson’s music titled Lie is released by producer Phil Kaufman’s Awareness Records. That same day, Manson’s request to represent himself at trial is denied by then Judge William Keene. The album was cobbled together from his August 1968 recording sessions with Dennis Wilson and demo reels recorded in the fall of 1967.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie:_The_Love_and_Terror_Cult
March 11, 1970 – Susan Atkins backs out of her cooperation agreement and recants her grand jury testimony.
April 13, 1970 – Judge William Keene recuses himself at Manson’s request (claiming prejudice) and Judge Charles Older is given the case.
April 18, 1970 – Bobby Beausoleil is found guilty at trial for the Gary Hinman murder.
May 15, 1970 – Ella Jo Bailey cuts a deal with the government and agrees to testify against Manson and The Family. Bailey was one of Manson’s original five Family members. (she spills lots of details) www.cielodrive.com/updates/audio-archives-ella-jo-bailey/
June 15, 1970 – The Manson Family Trial kicks off to worldwide news coverage. Although shackled and facing the electric chair, Manson basks in the glow of villainous celebrity. His three co-defendants, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten, played to the cameras as well and acted cheerfully unfazed by the gravity of the proceedings at hand.
July 24, 1970 – Manson marks his forehead with an X, a trademark of his replaced in later years by a swastika, as the first day of testimony begins at the trial.
July 27, 1970 – Linda Kasabian takes the stand and testifies to her roles in the Tate-LaBianca murders and life in The Family for one whole week.
August 4, 1970 – Manson stands on his chair at the defense table and holds up a copy of the L.A. Times newspaper with the headline “Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares,” for the jury to see in hopes of causing a mistrial.
www.charlesmanson.com/prosecution/manson-guilty-nixon-declares/
August 5, 1970 – Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten rise from their seats at the defense table as court convened that morning and the jury was being seated to chant in unison, “If the President thinks we’re guilty, why go on with the trial,” in another stunt orchestrated by Manson to get a mistrial declared.
August 7, 1970 – Ella Jo Bailey takes the stand and testifies to her experiences with Manson and The Family.
September 1, 1970 – Charles "Tex" Watson is finally extradited to Los Angles.
September 4, 1970 – Family member Charlene Cafritz dies of a suspicious drug overdose. www.mansonblog.com/search?q=Charlene+Cafritz
September 9, 1970 – Family member Barbara Hoyt is taken to Hawaii and hot-dosed with LSD in a hamburger in an attempt to kill her in order to prevent her potential testimony at the trial. www.cielodrive.com/barbara-hoyt.php
September 11, 1970 – Danny DeCarlo takes the stand at the trial for six days of testimony. Once released from his responsibilities with the L.A. County D.A., he flees to his native Canada to avoid facing a federal gun charge. www.cielodrive.com/daniel-decarlo.php
September 19, 1970 – Tex Watson is brought into court and identified in front of the jury. www.cielodrive.com/charles-watson.php
October 5, 1970 – In one of the trial’s most dramatic moments, Manson leaps over the defense table wielding a pencil in his hand and tries to attack Judge Charles Older. A clearly frustrated Manson, whose attorney’s objection’s kept getting overruled, screamed “In the name of Christian justice, someone should cut your head off,” as he lunged at Older and was tackled by a team of bailiffs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Older
November 12, 1970 – Dianne Lake takes the stand and testifies that Manson often beat her throughout the summer of 1969. www.cielodrive.com/dianne-lake.php
November 20, 1970 – Manson testifies on his own behalf in a riveting afternoon of trial drama that takes place with the jury removed from the courtroom. He spoke for two hours, proclaiming “I’ve killed no one and I’ve ordered nobody killed.”
November 28, 1970 – Manson Family attorney Ron Hughes vanished in the middle in the Tate-LaBianca trial after butting heads with Manson over defense strategy. Hughes disappeared during a camping trip he took to Sespe Hot Springs in Ventura County. He represented Manson’s co-defendant Leslie Van Houten. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sespe_Creek en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Hughes
December 2, 1970 – Following 8 months on the run as a fugitive, Bruce M. Davis turns himself in on a warrant charging him in the Gary Hinman and Shorty Shea murders. Davis received correspondence from Manson instructing him to come off the lamb and face the music. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_M._Davis
January 25, 1971 – Manson and his three female co-defendants are convicted for the seven Tate-LaBianca murders, found guilty by a jury of their peers at the conclusion of what was being called the Trial of the Century.
March 29, 1971 – In the penalty phase of the proceedings, the jury returns a decision to sentence the defendants to death by electric chair.
March 29, 1971 – Attorney Ron Hughes’ severely decomposed body is found by a pair of fishermen in Ventura County.
April 19, 1971 – Judge Charles Older imposes the death penalty on Charles Manson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten in a sentencing hearing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Older
August 13, 1971 – Members of the Manson Family rob a Covina,CA Beer distributorship of $2,600 www.cielodrive.com/archive/4-manson-followers-convicted-in-hawthorne-robbery-shootout/
August 21, 1971 – Six armed Family members (Mary Bruner, Gypsy Share, Larry Bailey, Dennis Rice and Kenny Como) storm a Western Surplus Store at 134th St. and Hawthorne Blvd. Manhatten Beach,CA , steal 150 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition and get into shootout with police when trying to make their escape. The robbers intended on hijacking a commercial airliner as a means of freeing Manson and his three co-defendants.
www.nytimes.com/1971/08/23/archives/a-gun-battle-with-police-ends-weapons-raid-on-coast-store.html www.cielodrive.com/updates/hawthorne-shootout-40th-anniversary/
August 24, 1971 – Tex Watson’s trial begins.
October 12, 1971 – Tex Watson is found guilty of the Tate-LaBianca murders.
October 20, 1971 – Family member Kenny Como escapes from jail and is aided by Family member Sandra Good.
November 8, 1971 – Clem Grogan is found guilty of the Shorty Shea murder.
November 30, 1971 – Charles Manson is found guilty in the Shorty Shea and Gary Hinman murders.
December 21, 1971 – Charles Manson is sentenced to death for the Shea and Hinman homicides.
December 23, 1971 – Judge James Kolts spares Clem Grogan from the death penalty due to his young age and low IQ.
March 14, 1972 – Bruce Davis is found guilty at trial for the Shorty Shea and Gary Hinman murders.
April 20, 1972 – Bruce Davis is sentenced to death.
October 12, 1972 – James Willett & Lauren (Remy) Willett are killed by members of The Manson Family while living in L.A. with three Manson loyalists and a group of white supremacists Manson had aligned with behind bars. James Willett was blown away with a shotgun and decapitated. His wife Remy was shot in the back of the head. The Willets are buried in a shallow grave near the Russian River in Guerneville, California.
November 8, 1972 – A hiker discovers the Willets’ bodies.
November 14, 1972 – Family members Priscilla Cooper and Nancy Pittman and Aryan Brotherhood gang soldiers Mike Monfort and Jimmy (Spider) Craig are arrested for the Willet murders. They’d both go on to be convicted of second-degree murder and did five years in prison apiece.
February 18, 1972 – The California Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty by ruling it unconstitutional in the landmark California v. Anderson case (Proposition 17 subsequently reinstated that November but the state didn’t execute anyone for another two decades and most of the Death Row inmates, including the entire Manson clan, would have their sentences altered to life in prison).
January 12, 1973 – The Robert Henrickson and Laurence Merrick-helmed “Manson” documentary is released, featuring footage of The Family at Spahn and Barker Ranches at the time surrounding the trial.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Merrick
Aug 13, 1973 - Appeal hearing - Appellants Charles Manson,Patricia Krenwinkel, and Susan Atkins appeal their indictments by a grand jury on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. Appellant Leslie Van Houten was indicted in two of the same seven counts of murder and in the conspiracy count. law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/61/102.html
August 3, 1974 – Inyo County police detectives search Barker Ranch for dead bodies possibly left by the Manson Family five years earlier.
November 19, 1974 – Vincent Bugliosi and author Curt Gentry release the true-crime classic Helter Skelter book, chronicling the Manson Family murders and trial. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Gentry
September 5, 1975 – Manson’s top aide-de-camp on the “outside,” Squeaky Fromme, tries to assassinate President Gerald Ford in Sacramento, California’s Capitol Park on his way to meet with Governor Jerry Brown at the state capital building. Fromme pointed a 45-caliber pistol at Ford and pulled the trigger at point-blank range, but she had loaded the weapon incorrectly and it didn’t go off.
September 21, 1975 Lynette Fromme interviewed by Dr. James Richmond (Gerald Ford attempted shooting) In July of 2013, the Eastern District Historical Society and the Sacramento Bee began filing a series of motions in U.S District court, requesting the court unseal items possessed by the clerk from the Fromme trial. On the list was the 93-minute audio recording of the Fromme/Richmond interview. www.cielodrive.com/updates/lynette-fromme-interview-with-dr-james-richmond-september-21-1975/
November 26, 1975 – Squeaky Fromme is found guilty at trial for the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford.
December 18, 1975 – Squeaky Fromme is sentenced to life in prison.
April 1, 1976 – The made-for-TV movie Helter Skelter starring Steve Railsback as a crazy-eyed Manson premieres to smash ratings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Railsback
December 10, 1976 – Leslie Van Houten has her conviction in the Tate-LaBianca slayings reversed on the grounds that her lawyer was killed during the trial.
January 26, 1977 – Documentarian Laurence Merrick, one of the co-directors of 1973’s “Manson” documentary, is shot to death outside his Hollywood office by a deranged ex-employee. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Merrick
August 6, 1977 – In her second trial, Leslie Van Houten gets a mistrial due to a hung jury and is let out of prison on an appeal bond. Van Houten works as a secretary in her six months of freedom awaiting trial No. 3.
February 2, 1977 – Charles Manson, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten have their death sentences officially modified to life in prison.
March 1977 - Charles Manson interviewed by Dr. Joel Fort www.cielodrive.com/updates/charlie-manson-interviewed-by-joel-fort/
JUNE 23, 1977 - PEOPLE vs CHARLES MANSON APPEAL caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1830516.html
November 3, 1977 – Clem Grogan begins cooperating with authorities in return for sentence relief. He tells them where Shorty Shea is buried.
December 15, 1977 – Shorty Shea’s remains are unearthed near Spahn Ranch in Chatsworth, California.
March 19, 1978 – Leslie Van Houten is convicted of the LaBianca murders at a third trial and is returned to prison.
April 22, 1981 — The first of several nationally televised interviews with Manson is aired on NBC on the Tomorrow Show Coast to Coast hosted by Tom Snyder. Manson proves he does “crazy” better than anyone of his ilk to ever step in front of a camera. He cements his status as the human embodiment of evil and stokes the flames of the pop culture fascination surrounding him and his case.
December 28, 1983 — A drunken Dennis Wilson drowns at Marina Del Rey diving into the water to retrieve memorabilia he had thrown into the bay years prior when his boat was docked there.
September 25, 1984 — Manson gets into an altercation with another prisoner in a psychiatric unit at the Vacaville correctional institute and is set on fire. He suffered burns over 18 percent of his body.
November 17, 1985 – Clem Grogan is paroled, to this day still the only Manson follower convicted of murder released from prison.
December 23, 1987 – Squeaky Fromme escapes from a West Virginia federal penitentiary when she hears Manson might have cancer. She is caught on Christmas Day after less than 48 hours on the run.
March 15, 2008 – Authorities search Barker Ranch for bodies nearing the 40-year anniversary of the Manson clan landing on the property. The Mammoth Lakes Police K-9 Unit, specifically a hound named Buster, detected the scent of human remains in five separate locations at the ranch.
May 20-21, 2008– Inyo County Sheriffs Deputies conduct a dig at Barker Ranch but don’t find any human remains. They do recover old bullet casings possibly tied to the Manson Family.
August 24, 2009 – Squeaky Fromme is paroled.
September 24, 2009 – Susan Atkins dies of brain cancer in prison at 61, the first one of the Tate-LaBianca killers to pass away.
April 14, 2016 — The California Parole Board recommends Leslie Van Houten’s release, but her bid for freedom is blocked by Governor Jerry Brown.
September 29, 2016 — L.A. County Superior Court Judge William Ryan upholds the constitutionality of Governor Brown’s veto of Leslie Van Houten’s parole grant.
September 6, 2017 — The California Parole Board again recommends Leslie Van Houten’s release.
November 19, 2017 – Charles Manson dies of natural causes (colon cancer, heart attack) at 83.
January 19, 2018 — Governor Brown blocks Leslie Van Houten’s most recent parole bid.
June 29, 2018 — Governor Brown officially vetos the parole board’s decision to release Leslie Van Houten.
January 30, 2019 — The California Parole Board recommends releasing Leslie Van Houten for a third time in four years.
June 3, 2019 — California Governor Gavin Newsom vetos Leslie Van Houten’s parole grant.
June 28, 2019 — The California Parole Board recommends release for Bruce Davis for the fifth time since 2010. Governor Jerry Brown blocked the previous four parole grants. Governor Newsom has until October to decide whether he’ll veto the 76 year old’s ticket to freedom.
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 13, 2020 10:51:20 GMT -6
Thanks again for putting in all this work!
My two cents:
1. So, in that aerial photo of lower Topanga, I assume the house marked with a red X is supposed to be the "spiral staircase" house?
2. Catherine Myers Gillie's grandmother Mrs Myers owned the Myers Ranch, not the Barker Ranch. But she pretty much managed the Barker Ranch too. It's also complicated by the fact it's mostly some kind of state park, etc. The ranch compounds were practically across the road from each other, I think. (Only one water source.) They could never get much in the way of tenants, because no one wanted to live a thousand miles from a grocery store, and it was almost impossible to get there. What few tenants they ever had were mostly prospectors. There's no doubt Cathy knew Cameron as well as Charlie, and it was Cathy who told Charlie about the Myers/Barker compound being vacant as soon as Cameron moved out and went to New Mexico. You know what's funny? Any dead bodies found buried around that ranch would have been blamed on Charlie...
3. Both of Charlie's wives were prostitutes. Whether or not his mother was is a hotly debated topic. But she was no angel, in any case, with a career very, very similar to Susan Atkins's. It seems that Charlie latched onto Susan Atkins because she reminded him so much of his mother. He told her, "You're ME." He may have identified with his mother to a great extent, as well, since he had no father in his life. Except for Bill Vance.
4. Legally, Gary's Fiat wasn't "stolen." Bobby had the pink slip, signed by Gary (apparently with a rubber stamp.) Gary's "friends" from the Buddhist temple told police they assumed Gary's Fiat had been stolen.
5. All these armed robberies and whatnot happen while Charlie is LOCKED UP. Who's NOT locked up during all this mayhem? BILL VANCE.
6. It's trivial, but the story of Manson "asking not to be released from prison" is not only apocryphal, it's downright silly.
7. I forgot Dennis Wilson supposedly drowned. And in a stupid way. So did Ed Durston's gf Carol Wayne. The Wikipedia page for "I Drink Your Blood" is ridiculously long. I saw that movie at the drive in when I was five. (I had terrible "parents" of my own.)
8. Judging by the clusters of shotgun pellets on the side of the van used in the Western Surplus robbery, Manhattan Beach cops couldn't shoot for shit.
9. Aaaaahhhh...the real estate angle. Again. Frank Retz was the one who gave Lutesinger a ride into town where she first squealed to the cops. I wonder how well Retz knew Mark Rosen, and just how much real estate Rosen's family owned. Im betting credits to navy beans they owned the Yellow Submarine house in Canoga Park (or others in the neighborhood.)
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Post by elantric on Sept 27, 2020 17:28:00 GMT -6
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Post by elantric on Oct 16, 2020 13:11:25 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 17, 2020 7:37:50 GMT -6
Does anybody know the actual date of the Ed Butler piece hypothesizing that the Black Panthers killed Tate?
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Post by Omega on Oct 17, 2020 7:44:41 GMT -6
Does anybody know the actual date of the Ed Butler piece hypothesizing that the Black Panthers killed Tate? October 1969 issue?
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 18, 2020 7:47:06 GMT -6
Jebus! Great work, as usual!
Nother words, Susan Atkins could easily have read or heard about this theory BEFORE she started blabbing to her cellmates. Funny, that.
It's also funny that this issue of this "news" paper had a feature story about some [Neo?] Nazis. And an article warning about the "Rise of the militant Jew." 16 will get 20 that Butler knew the Nazis, too.
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Post by Omega on Oct 18, 2020 8:17:25 GMT -6
What is amazing also is that the cover date is October 1969. Usually with monthly magazines/newspapers, the cover date is on the stands a month or two (or more) prior. Murders happened in early August and these theories are already out there on the "streets" by October (if not earlier) Also, found the following from your good old buddy, Mae Brussels (the gift that keeps on giving!) "It's very interesting in my research on the assassinations that the very first man to publish an article on the Sharon Tate murder in my collection of the murders, before they had a suspect—the murders were in August, and they found the suspects in December—was a man named Ed Butler. In October '69 he wrote an article. The man who publishes the newspaper that he writes for is Patrick Frawley of Schick Razor and Technicolor, who is one of the third largest supporters of Richard Nixon—a far right-wing person. And he hires Ed Butler to write articles for him. Ed is an agent provaceteur who worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. When Oswald had the cover story that he was a communist, Ed Butler made a record for him. [This was] when Oswald said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba [Committee]. And he was the only member of the New Orleans area, and Ed Butler knew it. Ed Butler worked with Lee Harvey Oswald, so it's interesting that in 1969 the first person who has an opinion on who murdered these seven people would be Ed Butler; In my collection of articles we have Ed Butler. Now, what is this article called? It says Did Hate Kill Tate? And he goes into the fact that the Black Panthers are tied into the communists, and the evidence is that the Panthers killed these people; [they came] into middle class America and spread terror"
Full transcript here:
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Post by elantric on Oct 18, 2020 11:18:00 GMT -6
More on Ed Butler and INCAspartacus-educational.com/JFKbutlerED.htmcuban-exile.com/doc_076-100/doc0078.htmlEd Butler was also the mouthpiece for Patrick Frawley en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_Matewww.amazon.com/Revolution-My-Profession-Ed-Butler/dp/B0006C2GA4/ref=sr_1_16
Edward Scannell Butler
Edward Scannell Butler was born in New Orleans in 1934. He went into the Army Management School from 1957-59 at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. After completing the course he was employed as an account executive with Brown, Friedman and Company, an advertising firm.
Butler became friendly with Clay Shaw and Lloyd Cobb of the International Trade Mart and persuaded these men to help fund his anti-communist campaigns. This included the establishment of two organizations: Free Voice of Latin America (FVLA) and the American Institute for Freedom Project (AIFP). Butler employed former FBI agent Guy Banister to work for the AIFP.
In 1961 Alton Ochsner, with the financial help of Clint Murchison, established the Information Council of the Americas (INCA). Ed Butler was appointed as Executive Director of INCA. The main objective of the organization was to prevent communist revolutions in Latin America. Ochsner told the New Orleans States Item: "We must spread the warning of the creeping sickness of communism faster to Latin Americas, and to our own people, or Central and South America will be exposed to the same sickness as Cuba." (16th April, 1963)
Edgar and Edith Stern, owners of WDSU radio and television, were members of INCA. Eustis Reily of the Reily Coffee Company personally donated thousands of dollars to INCA. However, it was Patrick J. Frawley, a Californian industrialist and close friend of Richard Nixon, who was INCA's largest financial contributor. The organization used some of this money to make a film about Fidel Castro entitled, Hitler in Havana. The New York Times reviewed the film calling it a "tasteless affront to minimum journalistic standards."
According to James DiEugenio (Ed Butler: Expert in Propaganda and Psychological Warfare) Butler was also in close contact with Charles Cabell, Deputy Director of the CIA, and Edward Lansdale.
In April, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald moved to New Orleans. On 26th May, 1963, Oswald wrote to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and proposed "renting a small office at my own expense for the purpose of forming a FPCC branch here in New Orleans". Three days later, without waiting for a reply, Oswald ordered 1,000 copies of a handbill from a local printers. It read: "Hands Off Cuba! Join the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, New Orleans Charter Member Branch, Free Literature, Lectures, Everyone Welcome!"
Oswald also rented an office for the FPCC at 544 Camp Street. No one joined the FPCC in New Orleans but Oswald did send out two honourary membership cards to Gus Hall and Benjamin Davis, two senior members of the American Communist Party.
On 9th August, 1963, he was giving out his Fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets when he became involved in a fight with Carlos Bringuier. Oswald was arrested and on 12th August, he was found guilty and fined $10. While in prison he was visited by FBI agent, John L. Quigley. Five days later Oswald debated the issue of Fidel Castro and Cuba with Bringuier and Ed Butler on the Bill Stuckey Radio Show. Later that month Oswald was seen in the company of David Ferrie and Clay Shaw.
John M. Newman (Oswald and the CIA) discovered that in 1963 the CIA had an anti-Fair Play for Cuba Committee in operation. It was being run by David Atlee Phillips and James W. McCord. As James DiEugenio has pointed out a CIA document describes Ed Butler as "a very cooperative contact and has always welcomed an opportunity to assist the CIA."
In 1967 Jim Garrison began investigating the activities of Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. Alton Ochsner told a friend that he feared Garrison would order his arrest and the seizure of INCA's corporate records. Ed Butler took these records to California where Patrick J. Frawley arranged for them to be hidden. Ronald Reagan, the governor of California refused all of Garrison's extradition requests. Frawley had previously helped fund Reagan's political campaigns in California.
Alton Ochsner attacked the Garrison investigation as being unpatriotic because it eroded public confidence and threatened the stability of the American government. In his article, Social Origins of Anticommunism: The Information Council of the Americas (Louisiana History, Spring 1989) Arthur Carpenter claimed that Ochsner launched a propaganda campaign against Garrison. This included sending information to a friend who was the publisher of the Nashville Banner.
According to Carpenter, Butler and Ochsner also attempted to discredit Mark Lane, who was assisting the Garrison investigation. Ochsner told Felix Edward Hebert that Lane was "a professional propagandist of the lunatic left". Ochsner also instructed Herbert to tell Edwin E. Willis (Chairman of the House Committee) to dig up "whatever information you can" on Lane.
Felix Edward Hebert later sent Alton Ochsner a report on Mark Lane extracted from confidential government files. This included "the files of the New York City Police, the FBI, and other security agencies." These files claimed that Lane was "a sadist and masochist, charged on numerous occasions with sodomy". Hebert also supplied Ochsner with a photograph that was supposed to be Lane engaged in a sadomasochistic act with a prostitute.
Butler wrote a book in 1968 entitled Revolution is My Profession in which he attacked as communist infiltrators those whose tactics have "been to try to link the CIA with all sorts of crime, especially President Kennedy's assassination."
Butler continued to work with Patrick J. Frawley. Together they put out a magazine (propagana with only 1 issue) called The Westwood Village Square which tried to blame the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King on the communists.
www.worldcat.org/title/westwood-village-square/oclc/2668956
( The Westwood Village Square FULL TEXT - full of ads for Frawleys Products, and definition of "The Square Movement" ) jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Butler%20Edward%20Scannell/Item%2076.pdf archive.org/stream/nsia-ButlerEdwardScannell/nsia-ButlerEdwardScannell/Butler%20Edward%20S%2028_djvu.txt
Vol1, No2 issue of AWARE - the Square newspaper (1st issue July 1969) October 1969 - Ed Butler (CIA Operative) wrote article "Did Hate kill Tate" chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94023676/
spartacus-educational.com/JFKbutlerED.htm
www.maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/Show%2016.html
Dave Emory spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-809-days-of-future-passed-all-in-the-manson-family/
Primary Sources
(1) The Warren Commission Report (September, 1964)
On August 5, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald visited a store managed by Carlos Bringuier, a Cuban refugee and avid opponent of Castro, and the New Orleans delegate of the Cuban student directorate. Oswald indicated an interest in joining the struggle against Castro. He told Bringuier that he had been a marine and was trained in guerrilla warfare, and that he was willing not only to train Cubans to fight Castro but also to join the fight himself. The next day Oswald returned to the store and left his Guidebook for Marines for Bringuier.
A few days later, a friend of Bringuier's saw Oswald passing out Fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets on Canal Street, not far from the store Bringuier managed. He, Bringuier and another exile proceeded to the site of Oswald's mini-demonstration, and Bringuier was enraged when he recognized the pro-Castro demonstrator as the anti-Castro activist wannabe of a few days before. Though no physical violence resulted, some heated words were uttered, a crowd gathered, and Oswald was arrested along with the three Cubans for disturbing the peace.
(2) Lee Harvey Oswald, Carlos Bringuier and Ed Butler, Vice-President of the Information Council of the Americas, took part in a debate on Bill Slatter's radio show Conversation Carte Blanche in 1963.
(3) James DiEugenio, Ed Butler: Expert in Propaganda and Psychological Warfare (2004)
At that time, Butler began to organize its successor organization, the Information Council of the Americas, or INCA. This was to be, in essence, a propaganda mill that had as its targets Central and South America, and the Caribbean. It would create broadcasts, called Truth Tapes, which would be recycled through those areas and, domestically, stage rallies and fund raisers to both energize its base and collect funds to redouble its efforts. By this time, as Carpenter and others point out, Butler was now in communication with people like Charles Cabell, Deputy Director of the CIA, and Ed Lansdale, the legendary psy-ops master within the Agency who was shifting his focus from Vietnam to Cuba. These contacts helped him get access to Cuban refugees who he featured on these tapes. Declassified documents reveal the Agency helped distribute the tapes to about 50 stations in South America by 1963. There is some evidence that the CIA furnished Butler with films of Cuban exile training camps and that he was in contact with E. Howard Hunt --- under one of his aliases --- who supervised these exiles in New Orleans. Some of the local elite who joined or helped INCA would later figure in the Oswald story e.g. Eustis Reily of Reily Coffee Company, where Oswald worked; Edgar Stern who owned the local NBC station WDSU where Oswald was to appear; and Alberto Fowler, a friend of Shaw's; plus future Warren Commissioner Hale Boggs who helped INCA get tax-exempt status. Butler also began to befriend ground level operators in the CIA's anti-Castro effort like David Ferrie, Oswald's friend in New Orleans; Sergio Arcacha Smith, one of Hunt's prime agents in New Orleans; and Gordon Novel, who worked with Banister, Smith and apparently, David Phillips, on an aborted telethon for the exiles.
Two other acquaintances of Butler's were Bill Stuckey, a broadcast and print reporter, and Carlos Bringuier, a CIA operative in the Cuban exile community and leader of the DRE, one of its most important groups in New Orleans. These three figure in one of the most fascinating and intriguing episodes in the Kennedy assassination tale. In August of 1963 --- three months before the assassination --- Bringuier was involved in a scuffle with Oswald as he distributed literature for the FPCC, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. As many commentators have noted, Oswald was the only member of that "committee" in New Orleans, and some of the literature he distributed gave as the FPCC headquarters address, the office of rabid anti-communist Guy Banister --- further exposing who Oswald really was. WDSU filmed some of these leafleting events. When Bringuier found out about this, he confronted Oswald on the city streets and verbally and physically assaulted him. The police came. Bringuier got off; Oswald was busted for disturbing the peace --- even though Bringuier was the aggressor. This event brought Oswald to the attention of Stuckey who had him on his WDSU show, Latin Listening Post, on August 17th. After the show, Stuckey and his friend Ed Butler asked Oswald to return four days later. Oswald continued his leafleting, this time in front of the International Trade Mart. In the interim, through contacts in Washington, they found out about Oswald's voyage to Russia, his stay there, and his attempted defection. The morning of the program, the 21st, Stuckey informed the FBI that Oswald would appear on the program. Butler and Stuckey used the Washington information to "unmask" Oswald on the show, and thereby discredit the supposedly liberal and sympathetic FPCC as harboring Soviet Communists in its midst. Right afterwards, Butler went over to a neighboring TV station, WVUE, where he was put on the air to announce Oswald's exposure on the 10 PM news.
Interestingly, John Newman later revealed in Oswald and the CIA that the CIA had an anti- FPCC program ongoing at the time. It was run by Phillips and Hunt's friend, James McCord. It may be relevant to note here that a CIA contact sheet with Ed Butler contains the comment that he was "a very cooperative contact and has always welcomed an opportunity to assist the CIA." Even more revealing as to the true nature of these events, Oswald wrote a letter about the confrontation five days before it happened.
Ed Butler's role in the assassination tale now gets even more interesting. For as Time magazine noted in its 11/29/63 issue, "Even before Lee Oswald was formally charged with the murder, CBS put on the air an Oswald interview taped by a New Orleans station last August." That night, according to New Orleans Magazine, Ed Butler and the INCA staff churned out news releases about Oswald in order to offset the "rightist" and "John Bircher" charges flying about. Then, Senator Thomas Dodd, who ran the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, was called up by Butler. Conservative Democrat Dodd was very friendly with the CIA and was a personal and professional enemy of Kennedy, opposing him on his African anti-colonialism policy in the Congo. Dodd was out of Washington on November 22nd but booked a special flight back and announced to his staff, "I am a friend of the new administration!" Dodd then began to mimic and deride those who were bereaved over Kennedy's death. He topped it all off with this: "I'll say of John Kennedy what I said of Pope John the day he died. It will take us fifty years to undo the damage he did to us in three years."
Dodd then invited his acquaintance Ed Butler to testify before his Senate Sub-Committee, a kind of parallel to Richard Nixon's red-baiting House on Un-American Activities Committee. Dodd later wrote of this episode that he was in contact with Butler just a few hours after Kennedy was shot --- when Oswald was still alive! Further, Dodd added that Butler's testimony convinced him and his colleagues that "Oswald's commitment to communism, and the pathological hatred of his own country fostered by this commitment, had played an important part in making him into an assassin. This important and historical record completely demolishes the widespread notion that Oswald was a simple crackpot who acted without any understandable motivation." In other words, Oswald really was a communist, and he alone killed Kennedy for that cause. (Hale Boggs was so enamored of Butler that he invited him to serve on the Warren Commission.) Finally, apparently completing Butler's public relations tour, the tape of the WDSU interview was forwarded by the CIA to Ted Shackley at the Miami station and used in the CIA's broadcasts into Latin America, furthering the legend about Oswald the communist killing President Kennedy. Declassified files reveal that the label on the box with the tape says, "From DRE to Howard". This means that Bringuier's group (DRE) probably gave a copy to Howard Hunt who forwarded it to Shackley who, in spite of later denials, was still funding the DRE at the time of the assassination.
(4) Edward Haslam, Dr. Mary's Monkey (2007)
On the second day, we went to see a man named Ed Butler, who had debated Oswald on the radio in August 1963. It was Butler who re-exposed Oswald's "defection" to the American public. Ed Butler's job, both in 1963 and in 1993, was Executive Director of INCA.
We met him in the elevator of his office building and rode to the top floor. The entrance to INCA was a grandiose facade at the end of the hall, reminiscent of large law offices with their thick walnut doors. Upon closer inspection, it became obvious that this was not thick walnut. The facade was made of thin plywood panels nailed to a wooden frame erected in front of the old door. Screw-mounted brass letters from the local hardware store spelled out INCA. But we did not enter through this august entrance. Butler took us to a side door on the north side of the hall. There we entered a small functional office. A Frank Sinatra-era microphone sat on his desk like a paper weight. Audio and video tapes were neatly organized on the shelves. We sat down and exchanged business cards. He looked at Gus Russo's Frontline card, then at mine.
"Haslam" he mused. "Where do I know that name from?"
I offered some mumbo-jumbo to distract him. I did not want him to remember who I was at that moment, He might clam up. He furrowed his brow in concentration and stared at my card.
No, that's not it. The word 'Egyptologist' keeps coming to mind:' he mulled. I shrugged aimlessly, while Gus started questioning him about Oswald.
This brought Ed Butler to life. He started banging on the desk with his fist, calling Oswald one of the "world's great revolutionaries," the "first New Leftist," the "first hippie," the "spearhead of world revolution" who set in motion a chain of events that led to the collapse of the Iron Curtain, He even called Oswald an "avatar," a Hindu word for a deity who becomes a human to accomplish some divine purpose, In the middle of his Oswald theories, he took time to criticize the Warren Commission critics for grasping at straws, and ridiculed all the reports connecting Oswald to Banister as meaningless speculation. Gus and I listened.
Then Butler proudly told us how, immediately after the assassination, he carried a reel-to-reel tape player over to Congressman Hale Boggs's office and played the tape of his radio debate with Oswald, so that Boggs could hear Oswald say, "I am a Marxist:' As Butler told it, upon hearing the recording, Boggs called Lyndon Johnson to tell him he had just heard evidence that Oswald was a Communist. If this story is true, it means that President Johnson knew Boggs' position on Oswald before appointing him to the Warren Commission.
www.maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/Show%2016.html
A SHORT HISTORY OF INCA (INFORMATION COUNCIL OF THE AMERICAS) cuban-exile.com/doc_076-100/doc0078.html www.jstor.org/stable/4232725?seq=1 jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/I%20Disk/Information%20Council%20of%20the%20Americas%20Literature/Item%2005.pdf
=== www.nytimes.com/1998/11/09/business/patrick-frawley-jr-75-ex-owner-of-schick.html
Patrick J. Frawley Jr., a high school dropout who made millions of dollars in business, gave millions to conservative causes and candidates, then made it his business and his life's work to combat alcohol and drug addiction, died on Tuesday at a hospital in Santa Monica, Calif. He was 75 and lived in Agoura, Calif.
His family said he died during surgery for lung cancer.
For Mr. Frawley, an independent-minded entrepreneur who tended to see opportunities where others saw obstacles, the road to riches was paved with ball-point pens that would not leak, razor blades that would not rust and a political zeal that would not quit.
In quick succession, he made a fortune as the creator of the leak-proof Paper Mate pen, expanded it with the introduction of stainless-steel blades for Schick razors and then, following the Communist takeover of a Schick plant in Cuba, was quickly transformed from an essentially apolitical businessman into a leading stalwart of the American right, financing an array of conservative organizations.
Mr. Frawley was also not reluctant to use Schick's advertising bud get as a weapon in the cold war. When ABC News once broadcast a documentary in which Alger Hiss attacked Richard M. Nixon, Mr. Frawley tried to cancel $3 million worth of scheduled advertising. The network declined to let him out of the contract.
To say that Mr. Frawley was given to instant and excessive enthusiasms would hardly do justice to a man who became so enamored of the negative-reinforcement therapy that Shadel Hospital in Seattle used to cure his drinking problem that he bought the hospital for Schick, renamed it Schick Shadel and retained it when he sold Schick to Warner Lambert in 1970. He later expanded it into a chain of treatment centers.
Where Mr. Frawley got his enthusiasm is not clear, but his entrepreneurial instincts seem to have been inherited from his father, an Irish-born professor of literature who went to Nicaragua for his health and variously became a banker, import-exporter and dealer in heavy equipment.
Though Mr. Frawley was born in Leon, Nicaragua, and his mother was French and Spanish, he spent his boyhood with relatives in San Francisco so he could attend American schools. But he dropped out at 16 and returned to Nicaragua to work with his father. He learned how to wheel and deal so well that at 18 he arranged for the sale of $300,000 worth of tires to the Panamanian Government.
As the son of a British national, Mr. Frawley, who eventually became an American citizen, enlisted in the Royal Canadian Air Force in World War II, married a Canadian and settled in San Francisco, where he engaged in a series of business ventures until, through a default on a loan he had made, he was stuck with a failed manufacturer of parts for ball-point pens.
Taking advantage of an improved new ink, Mr. Frawley turned the company into Paper Mate, trumpeted the pen's leak-proof properties and built the company into a runaway success in a booming new industry. In 1955, at age 32, he was able to sell it to Gillette for $15.1 million.
Casting around for new opportunities, Mr. Frawley found two and, typically, pursued them both, more or less simultaneously taking over Eversharp Inc., Schick's parent, and Technicolor Inc., the Los Angeles-based film processing company.
While Schick's introduction of stainless-steel blades made it an industry giant, under Mr. Frawley Technicolor achieved little more than a footnote to business history: the development of a film-cartridge system, a premature technological innovation that would have been rather more successful had the cartridges contained videotape instead of film.
Mr. Frawley's control of Technicolor was not totally uneventful. When it was discovered that George Murphy, the onetime actor who had resigned as a Technicolor executive when he entered the Senate in 1965, had remained on the Technicolor payroll for most of his term, the disclosure helped lead to Mr. Murphy's defeat by John V. Tunney, and Mr. Frawley's ouster from Technicolor in 1970.
After that, Mr. Frawley concentrated on Schick Shadel. The hospital and treatment chain flourished and expanded through the 1980's until the health care insurance squeeze forced a sharp retrenchment and the sale of some of its valuable real estate holdings.
Mr. Frawley also did well in his personal real estate investments. Having moved into Bing Crosby's old house on South Mapleton Drive when he relocated to Los Angeles in the 1950's, he sold the house and its 4.5-acre lot in 1984 to the television producer Aaron Spelling for $10.25 million, a sum that caused gasps that were still echoing through the Holmby Hills four years later when Mr. Frawley, who had been remodeling a small place on 1.5 acres across the street, sold that property for $11 million.
Mr. Frawley is survived by his wife, Geraldine; two sons, Joseph of Santa Barbara, Calif., and Michael of Los Angeles; five daughters, Frances Swanson of Tulsa, Okla., Mary Louise Frawley and Eileen Callahan, both of Los Angeles, Joan Desmond of Menlo Park, Calif., and Barbara Ross of New York; four sisters, Mary Thomson, Louise Valle, Irene Routson and Joan Frawley, all of Los Angeles, and 20 grandchildren
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Soooooooo...what ur saying is, "if" the CIA wanted to plant a story in a cryptofascist (sorry. I get all twitterpated when the name Castro comes up.) suburban "news" paper on any topic for any reason, someone in the Agency could most likely recommend Ed Butler and his publisher Frawley. You don't say...You don't say.
And yes, this would have been written BEFORE October 1st. Loooooong before Sadie Mae Glutz started tooting Charlie's horn vis-a-vis the Sybil Brand Institutionalized (see what I mean?) in November. It no doubt hit the streets before October. Plenty of time for Susan--who read every scrap of newspaper and magazine and sat glued in front of the TV with a radio on each ear waiting for the next bulletin concerning the Tate murders, to read and hear about it. Remember, this murder happened to her idol. She was one of the very first members of the Sharon Tate Cult. This wasn't just "some" murder that she glanced at in the paper once or twice. She was at least as obsessed with the murder of Sharon Tate as we are.
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spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-809-days-of-future-passed-all-in-the-manson-family/FTR #809 Days of Future Passed: All in the [Manson] Family?
POSTED BY DAVE EMORY ⋅ SEPTEMBER 7, 2014
This program is one 60-minute segment, with no break at the midpoint.
(listen) emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/800_899/f-809.mp3
Carlos Bringuier (left) and Ed Butler.
Charles Manson
Introduction: A story that broke during the election campaign of 2012 calls to mind a number of considerations. It has been disclosed that phone taps on convicted Manson Family killer Tex Watson have information that may relate to 12 additional murders.
Portrayed by the media as a bunch of wayward hippies, the Manson group, in fact, had participation by neo-Nazi elements, as well as links to the intelligence community. web.archive.org/web/20130904041229/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/truman-capote-interviews-bobby-beausoleil.3551/
One wonders who the other victims might have been?
Might one of them have been Marina Habe, daughter of Hans Habe, an anti-fascist activist and journalist who worked for U.S. intelligence during World War II and afterward. Habe had been involved in attempting to foster a non-Nazi press establishment in postwar Germany, something that would not have sat well with the Underground Reich.
Was Marina killed in retaliation for her father’s activities?
Might the other victims allegedly discussed on the Watson tapes, or some of them, have been killed for political reasons?
Next, we analyze evidentiary tributaries between the Robert Kennedy assassination and the Manson killings.
spitfirelist.com/news/rfk-jr-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy/
One case that has more to it than reaches the eye is the murder of Sharon Tate. Deeply involved with Robert F. Kennedy’s presidential campaign in the Los Angeles area, Tate had been present at a dinner shortly before Kennedy’s assassination at which he reportedly said that he would re-open the investigation into his brother’s murder after getting into the White House.
Her murder by the Manson cadre eliminated an important potential witness in the Robert Kennedy case.
The death of Robert F. Kennedy
New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison Interestingly and significantly, an article appeared in a right-wing magazine out of Southern California called Aware penned by one Ed Butler in which he claimed that the Tate/La Bianca killings were clearly the work of the Black Panthers or other “Black Militants.”
Recall that the Manson killings were intended to provoke the group’s vision of a race war called “Helter Skelter” and references to which might be seen as leading in the direction of “black militants” were scrawled in blood at the crime scene.
Butler, it should be noted, is floating the cover story of the Manson killings well before the arrests were made in the case! Furthermore, Butler is no stranger to the annals of political intrigue.
With long-standing connections to the intelligence community and the far right, Butler’s name is one of a number of evidentiary tributaries that link the assassinations of both Kennedy brothers. Program Highlights Include: * Operating in conjunction with an intelligence community and far-right millieu in New Orleans, Ed Butler arranged a press conference on WDSU in New Orleans. Featuring the ostensible leftist Lee Harvey Oswald and an anti-Castro Cuban named Carlos Bringuier (of the CIA controlled DRE), the interview highlights Oswald’s alleged leftist sympathies. In the talk, Bringuier asks Oswald if he agrees with Fidel Castro that President Kennedy was “a ruffian and a thief.” This interview was broadcast all over the United States on the evening of President Kennedy’s assassination.
spitfirelist.com/guns-of-november/g-2-the-assassination/
spitfirelist.com/guns-of-november/g-1-background/
* Shortly after Robert Kennedy’s assassination, Ed Butler helped facilitate a press conference staged by American United (run by far right activists John Steinbacher and Anthony Hilder) at which an anti-Castro Cuban named Jose Antonio Duarte linked Sirhan with the political left and the Soviet bloc.
spitfirelist.com/guns-of-november/g-4-the-nazi-connections-connections-to-other-assassinations/
* Ed Butler, again, also floated the disinformation/cover story for the Tate/La Bianca killings well before the arrests of the Manson suspects. Miscellaneous Archive Show M16 sets forth the Butler connections to the JFK, RFK and Tate/La Bianca investigations. Side b and side c contain substantive, relevant discussion.
spitfirelist.com/miscellaneous-archives/shows-m1%E2%80%94m30/ emory.kfjc.org/archive/misc/m_16b.mp3 emory.kfjc.org/archive/misc/m_16c.mp3
* George Joannides was CIA liaison to the anti-Castro Cuban groups including the DRE to which Carlos Bringuier belonged and also in charge of psychological warfare for the CIA’s stateion JM Wave in Miami. Joannides was appointed as the liaison between the Agency and the House Select Committee on Assassinations. (More about this in FTR #698.)
www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/us/17inquire.html?_r=0 spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-698-echoes-of-dealy-plaza-update-on-the-assassination-of-president-kennedy/
* Joannides was also alleged by a documentary aired on BBC to have been present at the Ambassador Hotel on the evening of Robert Kennedy’s assassination! (More about this in FTR #582.)
Note that the investigation into Robert Kennedy’s assassination has been re-opened.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm
1. A story that broke during the election campaign of 2012 calls to mind a number of considerations. It has been disclosed that phone taps on convicted Manson Family killer Tex Watson have information that may relate to 12 additional murders.
Portrayed by the media as a bunch of wayward hippies, the Manson group, in fact, had participation by neo-Nazi elements, as well as links to the intelligence community. One wonders who the other victims might have been? web.archive.org/web/20130904041229/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/truman-capote-interviews-bobby-beausoleil.3551/
“12 Unsolved Murders Have Possible Ties to Manson family, LAPD Says” by Samantha Tata and Robert Kovacik; NBC News; 10/18/2012.
The LAPD on Thursday announced it has open investigations on a dozen unsolved homicides near known Manson Family hangouts around Los Angeles.
The revelation came amid a legal battle to obtain hours of audio tape recordings between former Charles Manson follower and convicted murderer Charles “Tex” Watson and his lawyer.
“We have an obligation to the families of these victims,” Cmdr. Andy Smith told NBC4. “Our detectives need to listen to these tapes. The tapes might help with solving these murders.”
News of the open investigation was first reported by the Los Angeles Times Thursday and confirmed to NBC4 by LAPD officials. Smith told the Times the 12 murders they are investigating “are similar to some of the Manson killings.”
Manson and his followers shot to infamy in 1969 after the murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four others at a Benedict Canyon home in the hills above Los Angeles. That rampage was followed the next night by the murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca in their Los Feliz home.
The unheard recordings sought by the LAPD were made more than four decades ago, after Watson’s arrest for his role in the Tate-LaBianca slayings.
LAPD’s effort to obtain the tapes was not known publicly until it was reported by NBC4 News in May. And Watson has been fighting to keep those tapes under wraps. Police believe they may hold clues to “additional unsolved murders committed by followers of Charles Manson.”
Earlier this year, a court order authorized LAPD to take possession of the recordings, but Watson’s lawyer obtained a “stay” order effectively stopping the release of the tapes while his appeal is heard.
The LAPD tried to obtain the tapes using a search warrant, according to the Times. But on Oct. 9, a federal judge in Texas granted an emergency order barring police from executing a search warrant at an office where the tapes are kept.
Marina Habe’s Murder
2. Might one of the other alleged Manson victims have been Marina Habe, daughter of Hans Habe, an anti-fascist activist and journalist who worked for U.S. intelligence during World War II and afterward?
Was Marina killed in retaliation for her father’s activities?
Might the other victims allegedly discussed on the Watson tapes, or some of them, have been killed for political reasons?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Elizabeth_Habe
Elizabeth Habe (1951 — December 29, 1968) was the daughter of Hans Habe and a student at the University of Hawaii. She was murdered while returning home from a date.[1] She may have been slain by members of the Manson family. Her body was discovered on New Years Day 1969 in dense underbrush off Mulholland Drive, 100 feet west of Bowmont Drive, in Los Angeles, California. She was found with contusions in the eyes, slashes in throat and heart, burns inflicted, raped and nude except for a shoe.[2]
Habe was abducted outside the home of her mother, actress Eloise Hardt, 8962 Cynthia Avenue, in West Hollywood while home for a vacation from the University of Hawaii. The residence was three blocks below Sunset Boulevard. The neighborhood was the location of a number of rapes in the weeks prior to Habe’s demise. Habe double dated with John Hornburg, 22, a family friend. She left the Hornburg residence at 3:15 a.m. in her sports car.[3]
A former Manson family associate said that members of the family knew her.[2]
3. Hans Habe had been involved in attempting to foster a non-Nazi press establishment in postwar Germany, something that would not have sat well with the Underground Reich.
Hans Habe; Wikipedia.
. . . .In 1930 he began to work as a reporter for the Wiener Sonn- und Montagspost (Vienna Sunday and Monday Post). In the following year he became Editor of the Österreichische Abendzeitung (Austrian Evening News), one of the youngest newspaper editors ever, at age 20. At this time he married his first wife, Margit Bloch. Early in 1934 he moved to the Wiener Morgen (Vienna Morning News). From 1935 to 1939 he was a Foreign Correspondent for the Prager Tagblatt (Prague Daily News), stationed mostly at Geneva, covering the League of Nations. In this capacity he was present at the Evian Conference in 1938, where he met again otolaryngologist Heinrich Neumann von Héthárs who had performed an operation upon Habe 13 years before, and was a friend of his family. Habe described the course of the Conference in his novel The Mission (1965). The focal point of the novel is the infamous offer made by the German government, and transmitted to the Conference by Neumann von Héthárs, to sell the Austrian Jews to foreign countries at a price of $250 per capita, and the Conference delegates’ refusal to accept. At this time Habe was married to his second wife, Erika Levy, the heiress of the Tungsram light bulb company.
World War II
After the Anschluss, Habe was expatriated and his books forbidden by the new Nazi government. He went into exile in France and joined the French Foreign Legion. In 1940 he was captured and interned in the Dieuze Dulag camp. From there he managed to escape with the help of French friends (to Lisbon) and emigrated to the United States. He became a US citizen in 1941. Here Habe married his third wife, Eleanor Post Hutton, heiress of General Foods, in 1942. They had a son, Anthony Niklas Habe. In 1942 he was drafted into the US Army and studied Psychological warfare at the Military Intelligence Training Center at Camp Ritchie, Maryland. Then he joined the 1st Mobile Radio Broadcasting Company, and went in March 1943 to North Africa and participated in Operation Avalanche, the landing in Italy. In 1944 he became an Instructor of Psychological Warfare at Camp Sharpe, near Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. In autumn 1944 he selected a group of German writers and newspaper editors to prepare for the publishing of new newspapers after the war in Germany.
Newspaperman in Germany
In 1945 Habe returned to Germany in the wake of the occupying US Army. By November 1945 he had created 18 newspapers in the American Occupation Zone. Then he became Editor of the Neue Zeitung in Munich. At this time he was married for a short time with actress Ali Ghito. In 1949 he moved to the Münchner Illustrierte (Munich Illustrated), and in 1951 of the Echo der Woche (Echo of the Week). In 1948 he married his fifth wife, actress Eloise Hardt. In 1951 they had a daughter, Marina Elizabeth, who was murdered on 30 December 1968 in Los Angeles.[1] . . . .
4. Most of the program consists of an excerpt of Miscellaneous Archive Show M16 (recorded on 5/15/1988.) This excerpt highlights evidentiary tributaries running between the Manson killings and the assassinations of both Kennedy brothers. spitfirelist.com/miscellaneous-archives/shows-m1%E2%80%94m30/
The program excerpts the book Conspiracy by Anthony Summers, as well as The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy by William Turner and John Christian. www.amazon.com/The-Assassination-Robert-F-Kennedy/dp/0786719796
The tape excerpt, in turn, features excerpts from The Guns of November, Part 1 (Recorded on 11/1/1983) and AFA #12 (Recorded on 10/24/1985.) spitfirelist.com/guns-of-november/g-1-background/ spitfirelist.com/anti-fascist-archives/rfa-10-13-the-aryan-nations/
One case that has more to it than reaches the eye is the murder of Sharon Tate. Deeply involved with Robert F. Kennedy’s presidential campaign in the Los Angeles area, Tate had been present at a dinner shortly before Kennedy’s assassination at which he reportedly said that he would re-open the investigation into his brother’s murder after getting into the White House.
Her murder by the Manson cadre eliminated an important potential witness in the Robert Kennedy case.
Interestingly and significantly, an article appeared in a right-wing magazine out of Southern California October 1969 called Aware penned by one Ed Butler in which he claimed that the Tate/La Bianca killings were clearly the work of the Black Panthers or other “Black Militants.”
Recall that the Manson killings were intended to provoke the group’s vision of a race war called “Helter Skelter” and references to which might be seen as leading in the direction of “black militants” were scrawled in blood at the crime scene.
Butler, it should be noted, is floating the cover story of the Manson killings well before the arrests were made in the case! Furthermore, Butler is no stranger to the annals of political intrigue.
With long-standing connections to the intelligence community and the far right, Butler’s name is one of a number of evidentiary tributaries that link the assassinations of both Kennedy brothers.
5. George Joannides was CIA liaison to the anti-Castro Cuban groups including the DRE to which Carlos Bringuier belonged and also in charge of psychological warfare for the CIA’s station JM Wave in Miami. Joannides was appointed as the liaison between the Agency and the House Select Committee on Assassinations. (More about this in FTR #698.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Joannides en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JMWAVE www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/us/17inquire.html?_r=0 Lost in the Master’s Mansion”: How the Mainstream Media Have Marginalized Alternative Theories of the JFK Assassination etd.ohiolink.edu/!etd.send_file?accession=ohiou1406818924&disposition=inline
“C.I.A. Is Still Cagey About Oswald Mystery” by Scott Shane; The New York Times; 10/17/2009. www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/us/17inquire.html?_r=0
For six years, the agency has fought in federal court to keep secret hundreds of documents from 1963, when an anti-Castro Cuban group it paid clashed publicly with the soon-to-be assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. The C.I.A. says it is only protecting legitimate secrets. But because of the agency’s history of stonewalling assassination inquiries, even researchers with no use for conspiracy thinking question its stance.
The files in question, some released under direction of the court and hundreds more that are still secret, involve the curious career of George E. Joannides, the case officer who oversaw the dissident Cubans in 1963. In 1978, the agency made Mr. Joannides the liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations — but never told the committee of his earlier role.
That concealment has fueled suspicion that Mr. Joannides’s real assignment was to limit what the House committee could learn about C.I.A. activities. The agency’s deception was first reported in 2001 by Jefferson Morley, who has doggedly pursued the files ever since, represented by James H. Lesar, a Washington lawyer specializing in Freedom of Information Act lawsuits. . . .
. . . . On the Kennedy assassination, the deceptions began in 1964 with the Warren Commission. The C.I.A. hid its schemes to kill Fidel Castro and its ties to the anti-Castro Directorio Revolucionario Estudantil, or Cuban Student Directorate, which received $50,000 a month in C.I.A. support during 1963. [This is the D.R.E., of which Carlos Bringuier was an official.–D.E.]
In August 1963, Oswald visited a New Orleans shop owned by a directorate official, feigning sympathy with the group’s goal of ousting Mr. Castro. A few days later, directorate members found Oswald handing out pro-Castro pamphlets and got into a brawl with him. Later that month, he debated the anti-Castro Cubans on a local radio station.
In the years since Oswald was named as the assassin, speculation about who might have been behind him has never ended, with various theories focusing on Mr. Castro, the mob, rogue government agents or myriad combinations of the above. Mr. Morley, one of many writers to become entranced by the story, insists he has no theory and is seeking only the facts.
His lawsuit has uncovered the central role in overseeing directorate activities of Mr. Joannides, the deputy director for psychological warfare at the C.I.A.’s Miami station, code-named JM/WAVE. He worked closely with directorate leaders, documents show, corresponding with them under pseudonyms, paying their travel expenses and achieving an “important degree of control” over the group, as a July 1963 agency fitness report put it.
Fifteen years later, Mr. Joannides turned up again as the agency’s representative to the House assassinations committee. Dan Hardway, then a law student working for the committee, recalled Mr. Joannides as “a cold fish,” who firmly limited access to documents. Once, Mr. Hardway remembered, “he handed me a thin file and just stood there. I blew up, and he said, ‘This is all you’re going to get.’ ”
6. Joannides was also alleged by a documentary aired on BBC to have been present at the Ambassador Hotel on the evening of Robert Kennedy’s assassination! (More about this in FTR #582.) news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-582-retrospective-on-the-assassination-of-robert-f-kennedy/
The investigation into Robert Kennedy’s assassination has been re-opened. spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-789-rfk-assassination-reopened/
“CIA Role Claim in Kennedy Killing” by Shane O’Sullivan; BBC Newsnight; 11/21/2006. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm
New video and photographic evidence that puts three senior CIA operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy’s assassination has been brought to light. The evidence was shown in a report by Shane O’Sullivan, broadcast on BBC Newsnight.
It reveals that the operatives and four unidentified associates were at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles in the moments before and after the shooting on 5 June, 1968. The CIA had no domestic jurisdiction and some of the officers were based in South-East Asia at the time, with no reason to be in Los Angeles.
Kennedy had just won the California Democratic primary on an anti-War ticket and was set to challenge Nixon for the White House when he was shot in a kitchen pantry. A 24-year-old Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan, was arrested as the lone assassin and notebooks at his house seemed to incriminate him. However, even under hypnosis, he has never been able to remember the shooting and defense psychiatrists concluded he was in a trance at the time. Witnesses placed Sirhan’s gun several feet in front of Kennedy but the autopsy showed the fatal shot came from one inch behind. Dr Herbert Spiegel, a world authority on hypnosis at Columbia University, believes Sirhan may have been hypnotically programmed to act as a decoy for the real assassin.
The report is the result of a three-year investigation by filmmaker Shane O’Sullivan. He reveals new video and photographs showing three senior CIA operatives at the hotel. Three of these men have been positively identified as senior officers who worked together in 1963 at JMWAVE, the CIA’s Miami base for its Secret War on Castro. David Morales was Chief of Operations and once told friends: ‘I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard.’ Gordon Campbell was Chief of Maritime Operations and George Joannides was Chief of Psychological Warfare Operations. Joannides was called out of retirement in 1978 to act as the CIA liaison to the Congressional investigation into the JFK assassination. [Emphasis added.] Now, we see him at the Ambassador Hotel the night a second Kennedy is assassinated. . . .
Photograph that Shane O'Sullivan claims shows George Joannides at the Ambassador Hotel on the night Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated. www.whokilledjfk.net/george_joannides.htm
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Post by elantric on Oct 18, 2020 16:52:45 GMT -6
web.archive.org/web/20130904041229/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/truman-capote-interviews-bobby-beausoleil.3551/Truman Capote Interviews Bobby Beausoleil
Scene: A cell in a maximum-security cell block at San Quentin prison in California. The cell is furnished with a single cot, and its permanent occupant, Robert Beausoleil, and his visitor are required to sit on it in rather cramped positions. The cell is neat, uncluttered; a well-waxed guitar stands in one corner. But it is late on a winter afternoon, and in the air lingers a chill, even a hint of mist, as though fog from San Francisco Bay had infiltrated the prison itself.
Despite the chill, Beausoleil is shirtless, wearing only a pair of prison-issue denim trousers, and it is clear that he is satisfied with his appearance, his body particularly, which is lithe, feline, in well-toned shape considering that he has been incarcerated more than a decade. His chest and arms are a panorama of tattooed emblems: feisty dragons, coiled chrysanthemums, uncoiled serpents. He is thought by some to be exceptionally good-looking; he is, but in a rather hustlerish camp-macho style. Not surprisingly, he worked as an actor as a child and appeared in several Hollywood films; later, as a very young man, he was for a while the protege of Kenneth Anger, the experimental film-maker (Scorpio Rising) and author (Hollywood Babylon); indeed, Anger cast him in the title role of Lucifer Rising, an unfinished film.
Robert Beausoleil, who is now thirty-one, is the real mystery figure of the Charles Manson cult; more to the pointand it's a point that has never been clearly brought forth in accounts of that tribe-he is the key to the mystery of the homicidal escapades of the so-called Manson family, notably the Sharon Tate-Lo Bianca murders.
It all began with the murder of Gary Hinman, a middle-aged professional musician who had befriended various members of the Manson brethren and who, unfortunately for him, lived alone in a small isolated house in Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles County. Hinman had been tied up and tortured for several days (among other indignities, one of his ears had been severed) before his throat had been mercifully and lastingly slashed. When Hinman's body, bloated and abuzz with August flies, was discovered, police found bloody graffiti on the walls of his modest house ("Death to Pigs!") graffiti similar to the sort soon to be found in the households of Miss Tate and Mr, and Mrs. Lo Bianco.
However, just a few days prior to the Tate-Lo Bianco slayings, Robert Beausoleil, caught driving a car that had been the property of the victim, was under arrest and in jail, accused of having murdered the helpless Mr. Hinman. It was then that Manson and his chums, in the hopes of freeing Beausoleil, conceived the notion of committing a series of homicides similar to the Hinman affair; if Beausoleil was still incarcerated at the time of these killings, then how could he be guilty of the Hinman atrocity? Or so the Manson brood reasoned. That is to say, it was out of devotion to "Bobby" Beausoleil that Tex Watson and those cutthroat young ladies, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Hooten, sallied forth on their satanic errands.
RB: Strange. Beausoleil. That's French. My name is French. It means Beautiful Sun. Fuck. Nobody sees much sun inside this resort. Listen to the foghorns. Like train whistles. Moan, moan. And they're worse in the summer. Maybe it must be there's more fog in summer than in winter. Weather. Fuck it, I'm not going anywhere. But just listen. Moan, moan. So what've you been up to today?
TC: Just around. Had a little talk with Sirhan.
RB (laughs): Sirhan B. Sirhan. I knew him when they had me up on the Row. He's a sick guy. He don't belong here. He ought to be in Atascadero. Want some gum? Yeah, well, you seem to know your way around here pretty good. I was watching you out on the yard. I was surprised the warden lets you walk around the yard by yourself. Somebody might cut you.
TC: Why?
RB: For the hell of it. But you've been here a lot, huh? Some of the guys were telling me.
TC: Maybe half a dozen times on different research projects.
RB: There's just one thing here I've never seen. But I'd like to see that little apple-green room. When they railroaded me on that Hinman deal and I got the death sentence, well, they had me up on the Row a good spell. Right up to when the court abolished the death penalty. So I used to wonder about the little green room.
TC: Actually, it's more like three rooms.
RB: I thought it was a little round room with a sort of glass sealed igloo hut set in the center. With windows in the igloo so the witnesses standing outside can see the guys choking to death on that peach perfume.
Tc: Yes, that's the gas-chamber room. But when the prisoner is brought down from Death Row he steps from the elevator directly into a "holding" room that adjoins the witness room. There are two cells in this "holding" room, two, in case it's a double execution. They're ordinary cells, just like this one, and the prisoner spends his last night there before his execution in the morning, reading, listening to the radio, playing cards with the guards. But the interesting thing I discovered was that there's a third room in this little suite. It's behind a closed door right next to the "holding" cell. I just opened the door and walked in and none of the guards that were with me tried to stop me. And it was the most haunting room I've ever seen. Because you know what's in it? All the leftovers, all the paraphernalia that the different condemned men had had with them in the "holding" cells. Books. Bibles and Western paperbacks and Erle Stanley Gardner, James Bond. Old brown newspapers. Some of them%twenty years old. Unfinished crossword puzzles. Unfinished letters. Sweetheart snapshots. Dim, crumbling little Kodak children. Pathetic.
BB: You ever seen a guy gassed?
Tc: Once. But he made it look like a lark. He was happy to go, he wanted to get it over with; he sat down in that chair like he was going to the dentist to have his teeth cleaned. But in Kansas, I saw two men hanged.
RB: Perry Smith? And what's his name-Dick Hickock? Well, once they hit the end of the rope, I guess they don't feel anything.
Tc: So we're told. But after the drop, they go on living-fifteen, twenty minutes. Struggling. Gasping for breath, the body still battling for life. I couldn't help it, I vomited. ns: Maybe you're not so cool, huh? You seem cool. So, did Sirhan beef about being kept in Special Security?
RB: Sort of. He's lonesome. He wants to mix with the other prisoners, join the general population.
RB: He don't know what's good for him. Outside, somebody'd snuff him for sure.
TC: Why?
RB: For the same reason he snuffed Kennedy. Recognition. Half the people who snuff people, that's what they want: recognition. Get their picture in the paper.
TC: That's not why you killed Gary Hinman.
RB: (Silence)
TC: That was because you and Manson wanted Hinman to give you money and his car, and when he wouldn't-well ...
RB: (Silence)
TC: I was thinking. I know Sirhan, and I knew Robert Kennedy. I knew Lee Harvey Oswald, and I knew Jack Kennedy. The odds against that-one person knowing all four of those men-must be astounding.
RB: Oswald? You knew Oswald? Really?
TC: I met him in Moscow just after he defected. One night I was having dinner with a friend, an Italian newspaper correspondent, and when he came by to pick me up he asked me if I'd mind going with him first to talk to a young American defector, one Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald was staying at the Metropole, an old Czarist hotel just off Kremlin Square. The Metropole has a big gloomy lobby full of shadows and dead palm trees. And there he was, sitting in the dark under a dead palm tree. Thin and pale, thin-lipped, starved-looking. He was wearing chinos and tennis shoes and a lumberjack shirt. And right away he was angry-he was grinding his teeth, and his eyes were jumping every which way. He was boiling over about everything: the American ambassador; the Russians-he was mad at them because they wouldn't let him stay in Moscow. We talked to him for about half an hour, and my Italian friend didn't think the guy was worth filing a story about. Just another paranoid hysteric; the Moscow woods were rampant with those. I never thought about him again, not until many years later. Not until after the assassination when I saw his picture flashed on television.
RB: Does that make you the only one that knew both of them, Oswald and Kennedy?
TC: No. There was an American girl, Priscilla Johnson. She worked for U.P. in Moscow. She knew Kennedy, and she met Oswald around the same time I did. But I can tell you something else almost as curious. About some of those people your friends murdered.
RB: (Silence)
TC: I knew them. At least, out of the five people killed in the Tate house that night, I knew four of them. I'd met Sharon Tate at the Cannes Film Festival. Jay Sebring cut my hair a couple of times. I'd had lunch once in San Francisco with Abigail Folger and her boyfriend, Frykowski. In other words, I'd known them independently of each other. And yet one night there they were, all gathered together in the same house waiting for your friends to arrive. Quite a coincidence.
RB (lights a cigarette; smiles): Know what I'd say? I'd say you're not such a lucky guy to know. Shit. Listen to that. Moan, moan. I'm cold. You cold?
Tc: Why don't you put on your shirt?
RB: (Silence)
Tc: It's odd about tattoos. I've talked to several hundred men convicted of homicide-multiple homicide, in most cases. The only common denominate- I could find among them was tattoos. A good eighty percent of them were heavily tattooed. Richard Speck. York and Latham. Smith and Hickock.
RB: I'll put on my sweater.
TC: If you weren't here, if you could be anywhere you wanted to be, doing anything you wanted to do, where would you be and what would you be doing?
RB: Tripping. Out on my Honda chugging along the Coast road, the fast curves, the waves and the water, plenty of sun. Out of San Fran, headed Mendocino way, riding through the redwoods. I'd be making love. I'd be on the beach by a bonfire making love. I'd be making music and balling and sucking some great Acapulco weed and watching the sun go down. Throw some driftwood on the fire. Good gash, good hash, just tripping right along.
TC: You can get hash in here.
RB: And everything else. Any kind of dope-for a price. There are dudes in here on everything but roller skates.
TC: Is that what your life was like before you were arrested? Just tripping? Didn't you ever have a job?
RB: Once in a while. I played guitar in a couple of bars.
TC: I understand you were quite a cocks man. The ruler of a virtual seraglio. How many children have you fathered?
RB: (Silence-but shrugs, grins, smokes)
TC: I'm surprised you have a guitar. Some prisons don't allow it because the strings can be detached and used as weapons. A garrote. How long have you been playing?
RB: Oh, since I was a kid. I was one of those Hollywood kids. I was in a couple of movies. But my folks were against it. They're real straight people. Anyway, I never cared about the acting part. I just wanted to write music and play it and sing.
TC: But what about the film you made with Kenneth Anger-Lucifer Rising?
RB: Yeah.
Tc: How did you get along with Anger?
RB: Okay.
Tc: Then why does Kenneth Anger wear a picture locket on a chain around his neck? On one side of the locket there is a picture of you; on the other there is an image of a frog with an inscription: "Bobby Beausoleil changed into a frog by Kenneth Anger." A voodoo amulet, so to say. A curse he put on you because you're supposed to have ripped him off. Left in the middle of the night with his car-and a few other things.
RB: (narrowed eyes): Did he tell you that?
Tc: No, I've never met him. But I was told it by a number of other people.
RB (reaches for guitar, tunes it, strums it, sings): "This is my song, this is my song, this is my dark song, my dark song ..." Everybody always wants to know how I got together with Manson. It was through our music. He plays some, too. One night I was driving around with a bunch of my ladies. Well, we came to this old roadhouse, beer place, with a lot of cars outside. So we went inside, and there was Charlie with some of his ladies. We all got to talking, played some together; the next day Charlie came to see me in my van, and we all, his people and my people, ended up camping out together. Brothers and sisters. A family.
Tc: Did you see Manson as a leader? Did you feel influenced by him right away?
RB: Hell, no. He had his people, I had mine. If anybody was influenced, it was him. By me.
Tc: Yes, he was attracted to you. Infatuated. Or so he says. You seem to have had that effect on a lot of people, men and women.
RB: Whatever happens, happens. It's all good.
Tc: Do you consider killing innocent people a good thing?
RB: Who said they were innocent?
TC: Well, we'll return to that. But for now: What is your own sense of morality? How do you differentiate between good and bad?
RB: Good and bad? It's all good. If it happens, it's got to be good. Otherwise, it wouldn't be happening. It's just the way life flows. Moves together. I move with it. I don't question it.
TC: In other words, you don't question the act of murder. You consider it "good" because it "happens." Justifiable.
RB: I have my own justice. I live by my own law, you know. I don't respect the laws of this society. Because society doesn't respect its own laws. I make my own laws and live by them. I have my own sense of justice.
Tc: And what is your sense of justice?
RB: I believe that what goes around comes around. What goes up comes down. That's how life flows, and I flow with it.
TC: You're not making much sense-at least to me. And I don't think you're stupid. Let's try again. In your opinion, it's all right that Manson sent Tex Watson and those girls into that house to slaughter total strangers, innocent people
RB: I said: Who says they were innocent? They burned people on dope deals. Sharon Tate and that gang. They picked up kids on the Strip and took them home and whipped them. Made movies of it. Ask the cops; they found the movies. Not that they'd tell you the truth.
TC: The truth is, the Lo Biancos and Sharon Tate and her friends were killed to protect you. Their deaths were directly linked to the Gary Hinman murder.
RB: I hear you. I hear where you're coming from.
TC: Those were all imitations of the Hinman murder-to prove that you couldn't have killed Hinman. And thereby get you out of jail.
RB: To get me out of jail. (He nods, smiles, sighs-complimented) None of that came out at any of the trials. The girls got on the stand and tried to really tell how it all came down, but nobody would listen. People couldn't believe anything except what the media said. The media had them programmed to believe it all happened because we were out to start a race war. That it was mean niggers going around hurting all these good white folk. Only-it was like you say. The media, they called us a "family." And it was the only true thing they said. We were a family. We were mother, father, brother, sister, daughter, son. If a member of our family was in jeopardy, we didn't abandon that person. And so for the love of a brother, a brother who was in jail on a murder rap, all those killings came down.
Tc: And you don't regret that?
RB: No. If my brothers and sisters did it, then it's good. Everything in life is good. It all flows. It's all good. It's all music.
Tc: When you were up on Death Row, if you'd been forced to flow down to the gas chamber and whiff the peaches, would you have given that your stamp of approval?
RB: If that's how it came down. Everything that happens is good.
Tc: War. Starving children. Pain. Cruelty. Blindness. Prisons. Desperation. Indifference. All good?
RB: What's that look you're giving me?
Tc: Nothing. I was noticing how your face changes. One moment, with just the slightest shift of angle, you look so boyish, entirely innocent, a charmer. And then-well, one can see you as a sort of Forty-second Street Lucifer. Have you ever seen Night Must Fall? An old movie with Robert Montgomery? No? Well, it's about an impish, innocent-looking delightful young man who travels about the English countryside charming old ladies, then cutting off their heads and carrying the heads around with him in leather hat-boxes.
RB: So what's that got to do with me?
TC: I was thinking-if it was ever remade, if someone Americanized it, turned the Montgomery character into a young drifter with hazel eyes and a smoky voice, you'd be very good in the part.
RB: Are you trying to say I'm a psychopath? I'm not a nut. If I have to use violence, I'll use it, but I don't believe in killing.
TC: Then I must be deaf. Am I mistaken, or didn't you just tell me that it didn't matter what atrocity one person committed against another, it was good, all good?
RB: (Silence)
Tc Tell me, Bobby, how do you view yourself?
RB: As a convict.
TC: But beyond that.
BB: As a man. A white man. And everything a white man stands for.
Tc: Yes, one of the guards told me you were the ringleader of the Aryan Brotherhood.
RB (hostile): What do you know about the Brotherhood?
Tc: That it's composed of a bunch of hard-nosed white guys. That it's a somewhat fascist-minded fraternity. That it started in California, and has spread throughout the American prison system, north, south, east, and west. That the prison authorities consider it a dangerous, troublemaking cult.
BB: A man has to defend himself. We're outnumbered. You got no idea how rough it is. We're all more scared of each other than we are of the pigs in here. You got to be on your toes every second if you don't want a shiv in your back. The blacks and Chicanos, they got their own gangs. The Indians, too; or I should say the "Native Americans"-that's how these redskins call themselves: what a laugh! Yessir, rough. With all the racial tensions, politics, dope, gambling, and sex. The blacks really go for the young white kids. They like to shove those big black dicks up those tight white asses.
TC: Have you ever thought what you would do with your life if and when you were paroled out of here?
RB: That's a tunnel I don't see no end to. They'll never let Charlie go.
TC: I hope you're right, and I think you are. But it's very likely that you'll be paroled some day. Perhaps sooner than you imagine. Then what?
RB (strums guitar): I'd like to record some of my music. Get it played on the air.
Tc: That was Perry Smith's dream. And Charlie Manson's, too. Maybe you fellows have more in common than mere tattoos.
RB: Just between us, Charlie doesn't have a whole lot of talent. (Strumming chords) "This is my song, my dark song, my dark song." I got my first guitar when I was eleven; I found it in my grandma's attic and taught myself to play it, and I've been nuts about music ever since. My grandma was a sweet woman, and her attic was my favorite place. I liked to lie up there and listen to the rain. Or hide up there when my dad came looking for me with his belt. Shit. You hear that? Moan, moan. It's enough to drive you crazy.
Tc: Listen to me, Bobby. And answer carefully. Suppose, when you get out of here, somebody came to you-let's say Charlie-and asked you to commit an act of violence, kill a man, would you do it?
RB (after lighting another cigarette, after smoking it half through): I might. It depends. I never meant to ... to ... hurt Gary Hinman. But one thing happened. And another. And then it all came down.
Tc: And it was all good.
RB: It was all good.
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