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Post by james1983 on Aug 24, 2020 10:26:50 GMT -6
Nugan Hand is like the Manson case, it's a huge rabbit hole. It's what was used to fund assassinations, drug running, and other CIA activity like Jonestown. Money from Nugan Hand was sent to London then from London to Guiana. Also people like Ed Wilson was involved who had his hand in just about everything including child trafficking and prostitution.
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Post by elantric on Aug 24, 2020 12:15:04 GMT -6
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Post by Omega on Sept 27, 2020 4:49:02 GMT -6
Professor, I see your podcast has finally gotten around to the long awaited connections of Nugan Hand/heroin smuggling/blood transport to the Son of Sam case.
You have stated that it wasn't "The Ultimate Evil" story that you were directly researching when this new information was found out. It was more of going back to "The Ultimate Evil" to confirm names and info that were discovered.
I was wondering if you could expand on what was the nature of the investigation you were looking into that led you "ultimately" back to "The Ultimate Evil"?
The part I am trying to get clarity on is you mention, that in the research and info that was stumbled upon, names popped up that you recall reading about in Maury's book. Even though it was known that Bill Mentzer and Pascal were directly affiliated and Pascal was sentenced and found guilty in 1991 to the murder of prostitute June Mincher, Maury doesn't reveal Pascal's name (or even use a pseudonym for him) in "The Ultimate Evil" editions. Even in the last updated version of "The Ultimate Evil" (Barnes & Noble edition 1999) Maury, in his Epilogue updates, mentions Mentzer is guilty in the Mincher murder, but still no mention of Pascal.
Also, did any of the research you saw mention Donna Lauria, Christine Freund, Carl or Frank Denaro by name direct?
I do believe both the Donna Lauria and Christine Freund murders were directed "hits" and had motives for the shootings.
Thanks
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Post by seacow313 on Sept 27, 2020 16:27:16 GMT -6
"Nugan Hand/ heroin smuggling/ blood transport" is much more concise way to summarize the operation than i tried to say yesterday "Bill menzer{sic}, bob [not dave] Evans, Roy Radin , etc." It makes sense that Berkowitz, Mentzer and Pascal were aware of each other if not directly associated.
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 27, 2020 19:00:53 GMT -6
I know I was definitely reading TUE at the time, because I was trying to sort out the Steve Crawford/JA Getreu story. I must have googled the topic with Mentzer's name or something. And one way or another it was the name of the guy who helped Cavalli off Mincher. And of course a lot of other dirty laundry turned up with Pascal's name on it. One thing that intrigued me was Maury claiming that a frigging PLATOON of "hit men" had gone after Mincher. So, I wondered what made Mincher so dangerous.
Hmmmmmm...how do I put this...A list (not "mine," so don't ask. Sorry) of unsolved murders associated with hospitals and certain investment banks we've been looking into for some time included Donna Lauria (and Jody LeCornu,) and of course, the Freund murder was associated with the Reynolds empire. (Hell, Google "Russell and Shirley Dermond" if you like your rich asshole murders WEIRD. Directly linked to Reynolds dynasty.) Also, some murders like the ones in Palo Alto linked to Getreu were also linked to hospitals in the area (not to mention Stanford U,) the murdered med students at hospitals that turned out to be associated with SOS, etc. Research into Frank Denaro naturally turned up the shooting of his stepson. I was reading all that stuff at the same time I was rereading TUE.
The point is, at that moment, we were looking for "suspicious" hospitals that might turn out to be possible destinations for all this China White that hit the beach at Honolulu. Not the victims yet--just the hospitals, etc. Since the operation (whatever the fugg it was) had NOT been busted, it was natural to assume some people MUST have been silenced from time to time. And those murders must have gone unsolved. And while I was sitting around waiting for material like Pascal's book to arrive, I was re-reading TUE. I'm sure the topics SOS etc would have come up soon, but we had not gotten around to looking into UBI or the author of the book. We were just reading the book to see if we could figure out how such an operation MIGHT work, if at all.
While I sat around waiting to get the actual book from an associate, I re-read TUE as fast as I could, mostly looking for anything related to Arliss Perry. IIRC, it was the "hospital guy" stuff in Maury's book that first rang a bell. "Huh. Wouldn't it be wild if..." And then rechecking those lists of murders, and there were those names again. I knew the name "Denaro" sounded familiar...
And bear in mind, all this happened (to me) over the course of three or four 18-hour days. So I don't remember the precise chronology. I just remember calling my buddy (who has zero interest in this stuff) and telling him, "You know how there is always some crackpot claiming that SOS, Zodiac, Manson, blah blah blah is all one big conspiracy? Well, you're not going to believe this, but..."
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Post by Omega on Sept 27, 2020 20:11:19 GMT -6
I don't think Mercer Reynolds is related to the RJ Reynolds family empire, who are most recognized for their aluminum products (Reynolds Wrap being the most popular). RJ Reynolds's descendants founded the Wall Street firm, Reynolds Securities, which morphed into Dean Witter Reynolds later on. Mercer is not a descendant. The "Reynolds Plantation" founded by Mercer Reynolds sounds like something that would have been in existence since pre-Civil War times, but actually it was established in the 1990s:
Donna Lauria worked as an ambulance technician for Empire State Ambulance. Empire was based out of the New York Hospital on the east side of Manhattan. They were affiliated with Cornell University Hospital and then merged in the late 1990s with Presbyterian Hospital on the west side of Manhattan NYC. Donna was only 18 years old at the point of her death. She was prepping for exams to qualify as a New York State certified paramedic at the time of her death. Would an 18 year old non-certified personnel be allowed to handle the responsibilities laid out in the blood transport program with the extensive background check process?
It would seem Frank Denaro's name popped up somewhere in the research because that is not a name that has surfaced in the public realm affiliated with Carl. I know you said on the podcast that Carl would not know the reason he was shot and it doesn't really matter, but I think Carl would be able to confirm if it was possible that his father's (stepfather's?) position at Citibank would have exposed him inadvertently to the money laundering scheme. It seems Carl has been on the search forever for a motive in his shooting.
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Post by elantric on Sept 27, 2020 20:48:16 GMT -6
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Post by Omega on Sept 28, 2020 0:45:40 GMT -6
Hi elantric
Thanks for sending those.
I must be missing something here (apologies, and the reason I initially said I didn't think Mercer was related to the Reynolds family that owned the aluminum and securities companies) but the two Wiki links don't seem to indicate a Mercer connection to those entities. I would have thought that Mercer's Wiki page would have mentioned a family connection of that magnitude.
The family tree doc seems to mention Mercer in one section (under "Reynolds Recollections" Vol. 24, No. 1 January-February 2006) and rehashes his ambassador credentials and includes the following in his bio - "After serving in the U.S. Anny from 1968 to 1969, Ambassador Reynolds took a position with the Coca-Cola Bottling Company in Chattanooga. In JQ7CJ. together with his friend and business partner, William DeWitt, he founded Reynolds, DeWitt& Co., an investment firm based in Cincinnati, Ohio. Ambassador Reynolds was co-chairman of the company from 1979 until August 2001, at which time the requirements of U.S. government service led him to step down from that position."
But, again no mention of any history with the RJ Reynolds family connections.
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 28, 2020 8:09:51 GMT -6
Right The golf course community development was founded around 1990. On Reynolds family land. There is quite a bit more to Mercer Reynolds that will be of great interest to us down the road.
Quite. A. Bit.
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Post by Omega on Sept 28, 2020 8:48:54 GMT -6
Hi Professor! I'm just trying to keep the facts straight because this is a critical part of the Son of Sam saga as far as motive is concerned. From what I've been searching, it seems Mercer Reynold's family and the RJ Reynolds family are two separate families. Both are very (or extremely!) wealthy Southern families and each have their niches in American innovations. Mercer's grandfather, named Mercer himself, developed a process to solidify cottonseed oil for transport and garnered his wealth. It looks like the Reynolds Plantation property is acquired in the 1920s or 1930s, after he comes into this wealth. RJ Reynolds family is the more famous with their affiliations with tobacco and aluminum. It was this family that started the Wall Street firm (Reynold Securities) that Christine Freund worked at. Reynolds Securities merged with the Dean Witter securities firm in 1978 and eventually became part of Sears in the early 1980s. Again, I'm not trying to rock any boats here, just trying to follow up on info/facts because I think it is critical to finally figure out the real motives in the Son of Sam case. Here is an Atlanta Journal Constitution article that provides some background on the Mercer Reynolds family/property:
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 28, 2020 16:10:41 GMT -6
Keep going!
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 13, 2020 22:13:11 GMT -6
Is the family of Mercer Reynolds connected to that of RJ Reynolds? Since the RJ Reynolds family were dominant in the tobacco industry and owned Southern plantations, while Mercer Reynolds's grandfather also owned a lot of land in the South and invented a process for solidifying cottonseed oil, there is at least a vague geographic and industry overlap. But that is far from proving anything. That seems to happen a lot in this line of work, where two interesting people have the same surname and you think there has to be some kind of connection but you can't actually find one... I'm still not sure about a connection after reading all this, but have been very curious about it myself ever since the Reynolds name first came up on the Professor's show. My entry into parapolitics came as a result of researching electronic voting machine fraud, and according to Dana Jill Simpson, who blew the whistle on Karl Rove's nefarious activities (framing Alabama governor Don Siegelman, as well as other dirty political tricks that ranged to outright vote tampering), Mercer Reynolds and his investment partner William DeWitt Jr. were basically the top of the pyramid for these operations. Before that, Reynolds and DeWitt operated Spectrum 7 which pretty much bailed out George W. Bush's failing Arbusto Energy. (A company invested in by Bush's Texas business pal Jim Bath, who was an agent for many wealthy Saudis including the bin Laden family.) So it would be very substantial if this same family does turn out to be behind many of the sordid intelligence operations of the 70s.
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Post by Omega on Oct 14, 2020 6:02:15 GMT -6
Is the family of Mercer Reynolds connected to that of RJ Reynolds? Since the RJ Reynolds family were dominant in the tobacco industry and owned Southern plantations, while Mercer Reynolds's grandfather also owned a lot of land in the South and invented a process for solidifying cottonseed oil, there is at least a vague geographic and industry overlap. But that is far from proving anything. That seems to happen a lot in this line of work, where two interesting people have the same surname and you think there has to be some kind of connection but you can't actually find one... I'm still not sure about a connection after reading all this, but have been very curious about it myself ever since the Reynolds name first came up on the Professor's show. My entry into parapolitics came as a result of researching electronic voting machine fraud, and according to Dana Jill Simpson, who blew the whistle on Karl Rove's nefarious activities (framing Alabama governor Don Siegelman, as well as other dirty political tricks that ranged to outright vote tampering), Mercer Reynolds and his investment partner William DeWitt Jr. were basically the top of the pyramid for these operations. Before that, Reynolds and DeWitt operated Spectrum 7 which pretty much bailed out George W. Bush's failing Arbusto Energy. (A company invested in by Bush's Texas business pal Jim Bath, who was an agent for many wealthy Saudis including the bin Laden family.) So it would be very substantial if this same family does turn out to be behind many of the sordid intelligence operations of the 70s. In doing research into this, I did not find any connections between the two Reynolds families (Mercer and RJ). It seems Mercer's family wealth came about in the 1920s - 30s (with the aforementioned cottonseed oil transport business)
As you mentioned with Mercer's political connections, and also his business/family backgrounds, I would have thought an affiliation to the higher profile RJ Reynolds family would have eventually turned up and disclosed.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 15, 2020 11:46:58 GMT -6
Patience, my beloved flying monkeys. Patience.
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Post by Omega on Oct 15, 2020 12:20:34 GMT -6
Research into Frank Denaro naturally turned up the shooting of his stepson. I was reading all that stuff at the same time I was rereading TUE. While I sat around waiting to get the actual book from an associate, I re-read TUE as fast as I could, mostly looking for anything related to Arliss Perry. IIRC, it was the "hospital guy" stuff in Maury's book that first rang a bell. "Huh. Wouldn't it be wild if..." And then rechecking those lists of murders, and there were those names again. I knew the name "Denaro" sounded familiar... While we are on the subject of names in this thread, I think the name "Frank Denaro" needs to be clarified.
The claim is that Frank is Carl Denaro's stepfather, but I have stumbled upon research recently that is indicating that "Denaro" is Carl's biological father's last name (father's name is not Frank)
Unless there is some unusual occurrence or coincidence that Carl's mother eventually remarried another man named "Denaro"?
Unlike Neysa and Jerry Moskowitz or Mike Lauria, who were more out front in public and known, most parents of Son of Sam victims remained in the background and out of the public eye. I don't recall hearing much (if anything) on Carl's parents (or step parent)
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