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Post by james1983 on Aug 11, 2020 21:01:33 GMT -6
This would be a great subject to write a book about. I've been reading some of their early doctrines and it's packed full of mind control techniques. It's so blatant I can't see how they got people to fall for it. One of their rules was individual opinion wasn't allowed, that's mind control in a nutshell , Applewhite himself admitted they were conditioning people. Also in their early writing Applewhite claimed to have been hearing transmissions beamed into his brain basically, they told him it was time to take his followers underground and keep them away from society so their schooling could begin. He even talks about implanted chips that track his followers, or those who are like minded. This was before he came out and claimed he was Jesus lol. I also find its strange there was huge media coverage of them in the news in the mid 70s where they were made the laughing stock, then 20 years later they emerged in the news again with the suicides.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 11, 2020 21:04:51 GMT -6
they only had one article written about them that didn't poke fun of their ideas, and it was written by journalist James Phelan. It was sort of a fluff piece. Phelan was cooperating with the FBI at one point for sure. I find that kinda odd as well
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 12, 2020 6:16:34 GMT -6
Jebus. I mean, Jebus. What the FUCK has been going on in this country? BTW, the Defense Department was playing with an "acoustic laser" that could literally put voices inside ["enemy"] people's heads as far back as the 60s. It could also be used to "transmit" orders to friendly soldiers when radio communication was jammed.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 12, 2020 9:27:09 GMT -6
I just came across this yesterday. Scary as hell. Marilyn Ferguson wrote a book called the Aquarians conspiracy. In it she quotes Dr Ilya Prigogine who won the Nobel prize in 1977 for his work on transformation. In it he alludes to the fact that you can transform society through stress, fear, and anxiety. Remember 1977 was the middle of the Son of Sam murders. Here's a NY times article from 1980 with Ferguson. ............... "What does a major challenge to the Second Law of Thermodynamics (you know, the one that says the universe is falling apart into chaos) have to do with your health?
Quite a lot. Everything, perhaps, Marilyn Ferguson will tell you.
And not just your health, but the quality of your life, the existence, even, of your species.
Marilyn Ferguson is a synthesist, someone for whom patterns evolve out of seemingly unrelated pieces, someone who makes connections.
She has taken the work of Nobel prize-winning chemist Ilya Prigogine, and his theory of dissipative structures, tied them up with the theory of some palentological young Turks who are genlty suggesting that Darwin's evolutionary theory has some serious gaps in it. To this she has added the astonishing proliferation of self-help groups, organizations, societies and networks and come up with something she calls the "Aquarian Conspiracy" -- Aquarian for its connotations of a new age dawining and conspiracy from its Greek meaning, "to breathe together." It is the title of her recently published book. ($15, J.P. Tarcher, Inc.)
It is at the same time benign and awesome.
Prigogine's theory of dissipative structures, as Ferguson describes it -- and quite candidly offers that she does it better than the Belgian scholar himself -- holds that disorders is the precursor of a higher order. Open systems, processes or, as the scientist say, "nonequilibrium systems" are those which take energy in, transform it and put energy out. "Such as a town," says Ferguson, "or an amino acid, a human being, your psyche, your brain, all open systems.
"We appear to have form," she said, continuing her explanation of the Prigogine theory, "but we are like a whirlpool. We appear to have form, but we are just whirling electons."
"We are constantly nothing but a bunch of energy being processed. Into this whirlpool, the more complex the system, the more energy it requires to hold it together. Therefore, the more complex -- the scientists call it 'coherent' -- the more fluctuations are possible.
"What Prigogine said," said Ferguson, "is that if there are great enough fluctuations, it (the open system) flies apart and comes back together at a greater level of organization. Out of the flying apart, it organizes itself at a more complex level. The more complex, the more likely it is to keep transforming."
"A relatively free and complex society is going to keep transforming itself and when these shakeups occur, whether in your own system undergoing a crisis to which you must adapt, or in the culture, those fluctuations can bring about a whole renewal of that culture."
Prigogine's theory, says Ferguson, "fits right in with what is known as the 'punctuated theory' of evolution."
The thesis of this theory, held by a group of young palenotologists, anthropologists and zoologists, is that Charles Darwin erred in his conclusion that evolution was a gradual process. The great naturalist promised that someday all the missing links would be found to prove his conclusions, but, in fact, those missing links have not turned up. The younger scientists are beginning to believe that, in fact, they were never there. Instead, the theory holds, "evolution happens in jumps, very rapidly," Ferguson told a group of congressmen and congressional aides at a recent luncheon. "When a species is stressed, the theory says, when it is at the edge of its tolerance -- geographically, climactically, whatever -- very rapid changes and mutations take place and a new species aries very suddenly."
"So," says Ferguson, "if you start thinking of stress as not a bad thing, but inevitable, resulting in change that itself leads to transformation that leads to sharp and radical changes . . . it can be a very useful way of thinking."
"Even," she told the congressmen, "if it seems crazy on one level, to think of something falling apart and coming together on a higher level, we all know in our personal lives that has happened. And you've seen it in organizations, that when things get really bad, sometimes the whole thing falls apart and what comes out of it can be really good."
Ferguson, is editor of a California newsletter called the "Brain/Mind Bulletin," which translates (from the language of the scientist) and abstracts reports on scientific advances in neurological, biochemical and behavorial sciences. It has a subscription list of about 8,000 ranging from government agencies to movie stars to "Ernie's Pizza Parlor." Ferguson is so adept at presenting complex concepts in readily undestandable form that scientists will occasionally call her up "to see what I'm thinking these days."
She believes humanity is at the crisis point. "We're at a time when we can't wait," she said to a small group after the congressional luncheon. "Somebody might pull the pin. Because of potential crises in the world, any one of which could precule all other options -- nuclear war, ecological disaster and so on -- we've escalated our crises to the point where we had better wake up, become creative about our options" while we still have options.
She hypothesizes that humanity is ready for a quantum leap in evolution, "but we're at a time when we can't afford to wait for one generation to die off and a new one to grow up. We have to be our own children in that we have to be innovative enough, flexible and open enough to look at new ideas, however disturbing they may be . . . in effect," she says, "we have to be our own children."
"Unfortunately, though," she will add, "people can't tell the difference between the strange and the dangerous."
And here is where the "networks" or the "conspiracy," as she prefers it, comes in. According to statistics she quotes, "Some 15 million people in this country along are engaged in self-help and mutual-help networks (many, perhaps most, health oriented in some way). Some 30 million are engaged in spirtual disciplines and other kinds of inner quests.
"New studies are showing tremendous shifts in values in this society, people increasingly going toward non-material values.
"It is useful," she told the luncheon audience, members of the Congressional Clearing House for the Future, "to think that we've been mididentifying our problems . . . ask the question 'How are we going to handle the medical crisis in this country when we can't afford national health insurance because of the cost of doctors, hospitals and pills?'
"Now already," she says, "there is built into that question the assumption that 'health' is 'doctors, hospitals and pills.'" (We told you we'd get back to health.)
Wellness is the Aquarian Conspiracy's answer to that question and her book deals, in detail, with alternative health approaches from biofeedback to meditation to acupuncture to hypnosis to confronting pain. She likens the "network" movement, essentially out of the daily eye of the media, to Gandhi's historic Salt March, widely regarded as the turning point in Indian independence. It is "a contagion of ideas."
She sees it another way as well, in a story told by biologist Lyall Waston, based, she says, on an actual occurence:
"Zoologists were observing a certain species of monkeys on a chain of islands. The monkeys lived on yams which they dug up on the sandy beach. On one island, one monkey learned to wash her yam off in the water. Apparently it was pleasanter, so her mate and her son began to do so as well. Soon other monkeys began to wash their yams. On the day the 100th monkey walked down to the shore and washed his yam, all the other monkeys on all the other islands began to wash their yams."
"I think," says Marilyn Ferguson, "we're about to find the 100th monkey."
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Post by james1983 on Aug 12, 2020 9:30:11 GMT -6
I have a feeling our society is being "transformed".
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Post by james1983 on Aug 12, 2020 9:51:59 GMT -6
I almost forgot lol. Read the obituary for Joseph Segal Nettles, the former husband of Heavens Gate leader Bonnie Trousdale Nettles. Very interesting background for sure. Among his many pursuits was baggage handler for Eastern Airlines where drug smugglers were caught in the 80s
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 13, 2020 7:29:06 GMT -6
Nettles's whole story stinks to high heaven. For one thing, contrary to the myth, you could not, not, NOT enlist in any branch of the service in WWII until you were 16 (with parental consent, and then, they usually wouldn't take you.) And you could NOT be sent into combat until you were 18. In practice, they just wouldn't take you at all until three months before your 18th birthday. And by November 1942, you couldn't "enlist" at all, no matter your age. You registered for the draft, and then you stayed home until they called you up. A few guys may have successfully lied about their age, in the first couple of months after Pearl Harbor, but I can guarantee you Nettles didn't. He didn't turn 16 until November, 1943. It took MORE than a year of training before you or your unit were sent into a combat theater, and then you often trained another several months to a year before you heard the first sound of a shot fired in anger. This was especially true IF he were a USMC Hospital Corpsman, and even more especially true if he received special pharmacy training. but if he really was a pharmacist's mate, I don't see him being assigned to landings. He'd STAY on the hospital ship. Even if he was inducted in 1943, he would not have been sent into combat until he was 18--in November 1945. The rest of his obit is prima fascie pure horseshit. In other words, it's the obit of a guy who lived his whole life in a fantasy world.
Joseph Segal Nettles, 91, of Weston Lakes, Texas passed away April 24, 2019. Joe was born in Winnsboro, Louisiana on November 13, 1927. He served in World War II from November 27, 1942 to February 16, 1946. He was a Pharmacist Mate Second Class, attached to the Marines. Joe joined the Navy at 15, after a hard fight in convincing his mother that was what he needed to do. Injuries sustained on New Britain Island during the war would lead to skin grafts on his right leg and Achilles tendon and weeks of recovery. During this time, he would receive a Purple Heart which he sent back to his mother for safe keeping. Joe was proudest of his early years of military school at Jefferson Military College, but always carried the burden of never finishing high school. Throughout the years to further his education he took several classes. After serving in the military, Joe attended Refrigeration School, which he would soon discover was not for him, even though he received the highest grades in the class. He investigated other forms of employment, serving briefly with the US Postal Service as a clerk and a bag handler for Eastern Airlines, all of which would eventually lead him to the engineering field of designing pressure vessels. He started at the bottom and worked his way up. Nothing ever came easy for Joe, he was a self-starter that never gave up when met with a challenge. In the 1980’s when the engineering field was hit hard, Joe decided to start his own business, Southwestern Computer, in which he created a computer program called “Weigh to Go” for designing pressure vessels and sold to small fabrication shops. Throughout his life he had many likes and hobbies, including playing the cornet. He was a big jazz fan, "Wild Bill" Davison was his favorite. Being the jazz fan that he was, he frequently visited New Orleans (his favorite city) throughout his life. He would go to enjoy the music and the scenery which he would capture through his amateur photography. He also enjoyed a good meal and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend a great restaurant or a favorite dish to friends and family. Joe embraced his creative side so when he retired he turned his focus to writing fiction. Although it was many hours of struggle and hard work, he finished his first novel “The Senior Year”. He often joked about the irony, seeing as he had never attended high school and didn’t even know what the inside of one actually looked like. Later he would go on to write his signature novel “The Mystery of the Louisville Star”. He was very proud of being able to complete and self-publish both books. Although he was proud of the accomplishment he had achieved, he remained frustrated with the system for self-published books. Joe is survived by his beloved wife Roseann and his four children, Terrie, Joe C and wife Cheryl, Robyn and Rosalyn. He is also survived by one grandson, Keith and his wife Mary. A memorial service will be held at Katy Funeral Home on Saturday, May 25th, 2019 at 3:00 pm immediately followed by a reception at Dickey’s BBQ. A committal service will take place at Houston National Cemetery on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 11:30 am.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 13, 2020 9:16:46 GMT -6
By the way, if YOU guys ever get bored, Google "Stevan Markovic scandal" sometime.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 13, 2020 10:33:58 GMT -6
Marshall Applewhite himself was in the military in the Army Signal Corps. Since he'd be dealing with sensitive info he had to have had a intelligence clearance of some sorts. Here's the signal corps mission statement. When I see the words electromagnetic, satellite, and microwave it automatically gains my attention.
"Support for the command and control of combined arms forces. Signal support includes network operations (information assurance, information dissemination management, and network management) and management of the electromagnetic spectrum. Signal support encompasses all aspects of designing, installing, data communications networks that employ single and multi-channel satellite, tropospheric scatter, terrestrial microwave, switching, messaging, video-teleconferencing, visual information, and other related systems. They integrate tactical, strategic and sustaining base communications, information processing and management systems into a seamless global information network that supports knowledge dominance for Army, joint and coalition operations.["
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Post by james1983 on Aug 13, 2020 15:45:06 GMT -6
The Heaven's Gate cult worked as web designers and had their own company called Higher Source. I'm pretty sure one of their customers was an alphabet agency. The FBIs first "key person" in their investigation was Nick Matzorkis who ran InterAct entertainment group. Matzorkis was one of two people the cult mailed their suicide videos and letters to. Come to find out Matzorkis was business partners with Nick Rockefeller. Nick Rockefeller was in Aaron Ruuso's sham of a movie where the two are talking about the "new world order" lol. You have a millionaire relative of the Rockefeller dynasty talking about the new world order. Also the way the suicides were done seems awfully sketchy. 15 the first day, 15 the second day, and 9 on the last with Applewhite supposedly the third from the last killing himself. The only reason they came to this conclusion was three people including Applewhite didn't have plastic bags over their head like the rest did. This could easily been murder. Why the bags over the head? Who would put a fucking bag over their own head? It seems they were drugged then someone put bags over their heads. thats a very easy conclusion to come to.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 13, 2020 16:04:45 GMT -6
I believe that was part of Kevorkian's recommended method.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 14, 2020 15:39:11 GMT -6
Yeah Kevorkian did that to one of his patients after he lost his medical license and couldn't get the drugs required for a lethal injection. He had his patients try many different methods after that, one being putting a bag over her head with a tube connected to carbon monoxide.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 14, 2020 15:46:32 GMT -6
What I find interesting was the ideology of the cult stated that the gates of heaven (hence the name) were only open for a certain period of time, and one period was the arrival of Hale Bopp, but yet a few cult members committed suicide almost a year later. One was a 62 year old lady who was a computer programmer. she wasn't a devout follower or she would have been living with the cult at the time of the suicides.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 15, 2020 13:53:09 GMT -6
Professor. Really enjoyed your show today. I just wanted to state that you can indeed trace this web to its center. Chapman and Sirhan are linked through the YMCA and Lebabnon. Sirhans Father went to the American university of Beirut where Mr. Real Estate was the treasurer, he was also the President of the YMCA. Golden State Warrior coach Steve Kerrs father was killed there, he was the president of AUB in 1984. It seems this school is responsible for training killers and terrorists, in fact not too long ago they got fined for training the terrorist organization Hezbollah. The Dulles brothers were very active with this university, it is a front for intelligence operations. This all ties into Iran Contra, Nugan Hand, drug smuggling, money laundering, literal Nazis etc. Mae Brussell wasn't too far off.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 16, 2020 8:05:00 GMT -6
Outstanding! But, why would Mr Real Estate want Gary Hinman dead?
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