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Post by marionumber1 on Aug 7, 2020 18:57:03 GMT -6
The Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office gave me a disappointingly limited selection of records in response to my public records request on Arlis Perry's murder. I am currently in touch with them to see if there is more that they can hand over. Regardless, I think there might be some things in here which people find valuable: archive.org/details/ArlisPerry_SCCSOOne thing they had which I wasn't expecting was 3 bodycam videos of the police approaching Crawford to arrest him. They would appear to confirm that Crawford really did kill himself: he stalls and leaves the door only slightly cracked open, one officer shouts that Crawford has a gun and they all scramble, and then a shot is heard to be fired. At the same time, I couldn't actually see video of him holding the gun or a clear shot of the door when the shot was fired, so I suppose it might not be as clear-cut. Maybe others will spot something in the videos that I didn't. A roughly half-hour taped interview with David Berkowitz (from the Attica meeting that Maury Terry mentions in his book) is also included. The audio quality is abysmally bad at the beginning and appears to improve later on. I didn't listen to it yet, just skipped around to see how good the quality was. Some crime scene photos of Arlis herself were included in the response to my request. I decided not to upload those out of respect for her and her family, and will probably not upload them unless people really think it is important to have those too. The photos I did upload show the church, Crawford's possessions (including a 1989 paperback of The Ultimate Evil, as reported in the press), and his apparent 2016 suicide note. The "report" is a pretty flimsy 11 pages, and clearly leaves out all but a tiny bit of their investigation into Berkowitz's claims. We have a letter from Felix Gilroy, the full text of one of Berkowitz's letters that Maury cited in his book, and a couple pages of Ken Kahn's report which cut off before it starts getting interesting. At least we do have some in-text confirmation here that the "Lee Chase" in The Ultimate Evil really was Dee Channel as a couple people here realized a while back.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 7, 2020 21:46:33 GMT -6
Only thing I could hear Crawford saying is "why are you doing this to me" just after the cop opened the door.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 8, 2020 5:42:56 GMT -6
Thanks! I'm much more interested in the original files from 1974 than any "investigation" on their part over Maury's claims.
Funny they didn't send everything, because the case is officially "closed." They don't really have any excuses for not complying with a FOIA request if the case is closed.
I don't suppose you could send those crime scene photos, etc directly to me? They ARE important to me. tom.horan.lu@gmail.com
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Post by Omega on Aug 8, 2020 7:34:48 GMT -6
For those of you who caught the recent six-part HBO documentary "I'll Be Gone In The Dark" about the Golden State Killer murders/rapes, I am still amazed at how author Michelle McNamara was allowed to take home around 35-40 boxes of original evidence on the case (not copies - dubbed "The Motherlode")out of the Orange County Sheriff's Department.
This was still an unresolved case, at that time, and investigations were conducted on how she and her cohort were allowed to do this, with suppsedly the help of Sheriff Department employees.
In the doc, instead of treating it like a crime, it was glorified on how the "heist" was pulled off!
Compare this to "closed" cases, and how law enforcement fights the public with every "tooth and nail" NOT to release information.
I guess money and power and celebrity, etc. ALWAYS TALKS!
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 8, 2020 8:49:38 GMT -6
Same thing with Keddie. Really, same thing with Manson--Bug took all the files home and never brought them back.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 8, 2020 12:29:01 GMT -6
The Golden state killer case is a prime example of how you clear a boat load of unsolved crimes. Reminds me of Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole. From what I heard they had comparable DNA back in the early 2000s and the prime suspects name. It took them 20 years to get his DNA for a comparison. I said from the start the guy will die in jail before the trial even starts, then they can write "case closed" on 50 or so heinous crimes. I also found it odd that they "caught" Deangelo shortly after McNamara died. Wasn't she the one who first lumped all these crimes together under one perpetrator? I listened to parts of her audiobook and wasn't convinced. People are now trying to write books and link Zodiac to Deangelo just because they were done around the same time with zero proof. "True crime" writing can be lucrative if you have the ability to insert 50% bullshit into 300 page book.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 8, 2020 12:45:00 GMT -6
I believe McNamara was given those files to create the myth of the GSK, with the help of a few others trying to tie it all together. She's the Robert Graysmith of the case. I think professor dug up gold when he stated they were seperate murders being lumped together under one narrative. There were a lot of lovers lane killings back then. The Tex-Arkana, Zodiac, and even the Ed Edwards murders on lovers lanes. I'm not saying they're "connected" by there being a same killer, just pointing out it wasn't unusual. Tex-Arkana killings always intrigued me because I'm originally from around that area, and my mother says that's the first movie her and my father seen together lol.
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Post by Omega on Aug 8, 2020 13:29:39 GMT -6
In those 35+ boxes and also the research on McNamara's hard drive for the book/case, the name "Joseph DeAngelo" was not found anywhere.
Supposedly, it took a discarded Kleenex tissue in his trash to get his DNA and solve the case.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 8, 2020 16:16:49 GMT -6
Yep. Just like Steve Crawford. Took police 20 years to get Deangelos DNA, and took them 45 to get Crawfords.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 9, 2020 10:28:45 GMT -6
So, I'm not the only one who thinks there is a high probability GSK had accomplices (or teammates or whatever)? It goes all the way back to Oscar Clifton in Exeter, CA. He wasn't "framed" by DeAngelo; he was DeAngelo's ACCOMPLICE. That's my hypothesis.
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Post by james1983 on Aug 9, 2020 23:27:22 GMT -6
Yeah. i think he had to have had at least one other accomplice as a driver and lookout, or in case things didn't go according to plan. I've also always wondered about the Richard Speck case. How the hell did he manage to systematically kill eight nurses one by one? He left the room with a nurse, killed her then came back for another. Doesn't make sense to me. Someone else had to have helped him.
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Post by marionumber1 on Aug 10, 2020 19:12:49 GMT -6
Very little chance that DeAngelo acted alone, in my view. Among the reasons to think that: - DNA did not definitively prove that the same person was responsible for all the EAR and ONS crimes that were tested. There are likely at least 2 separate DNA profiles and perhaps up to as many as 5. Paul Holes acknowledged that Contra Costa County's sample did not match Orange County's when initially tested and only did so 4 years later, blaming it on the equipment (source). Ventura County also, according to unconfirmed reports, initially had issues matching the Orange County sample, and it is known that they had to send their sample to OC rather than doing the testing themselves (source); perhaps wanting to avoid a repeat of what happened with Contra Costa County? Santa Barbara County outright said in 2000 that their DNA did not match the canonical sample (source), and then 11 years later finally uncovered DNA at another one of their crime scenes which was said to match (source). Sacramento County would claim that all of their rape kits had been disposed of so they couldn't run any tests, but in 2001 they acted like it was still feasible to do, saying "We may try to do it now" (source).
- Some of the GSK murders appeared to be targeted hits. Brian Maggiore was a military policeman at Mather Air Force Base, which had drug trafficking rings operating throughout the 1970s that some MPs were investigating. (Note for Professor Horan: a lot of Golden Triangle heroin was being imported through Mather, and Philip Arthur Thompson was friendly with many personnel on the base. PAT was also alleged to run a medical supplies business that transported blood supplies among other things, reminiscent of what you discovered with the Nugan Hand operation. And various GSK case researchers have noticed that a striking number of victims were linked to the medical field.) Lyman Smith ran Maverick International Airlines, a company that shipped cattle to Iran while the Shah was still in power, and was most likely a CIA front for smuggling operations. Janelle Cruz had accused a Marine of rape and was reportedly being threatened by his friends at the Orange County District Attorney's office (source). And there are probably others with specific motives that I'm either forgetting or don't yet know about.
- There were numerous bizarre connections between the crimes and various POIs hinting at a larger group being responsible. One example is Michael Manier, who owned a car that was later spotted at an EAR crime scene, hinting that he might have known the GSK; Manier died in police custody before the EAR attack happened and his father Elsworth Manier was killed a few years later while attempting a home invasion (source). At both crime scenes in Santa Barbara County (source 1, source 2), there appears to have been evidence of a white three-toed German shepherd, who followers of the case have nicknamed Woofy. The owner of Woofy was Santa Barbara real estate mogul Silivio Di Loreto (called Mr. Z / Person Z on the forums), and Woofy was apparently house-sit quite often by Silvio's son Dante Di Loreto (called Mr. X on the forums) who lived in nearby Goleta. Living close by in Goleta was a local organized crime-connected family known as the Glasbys. Brett Glasby was a prime suspect in beating up the janitor of future ONS victim Dr. Robert Offerman, and there is one person out there who claims DeAngelo knew Brett and his brother Brian (source), both of whom ended up dead in Mexico in 1982.
- Meanwhile, I'd say the most interesting person connected to all sorts of people and events in the case was a Vietnam POW from Visalia who was dubbed Mr. Y. (It's not hard to find him based on the description I gave, but PM me if you can't find it and want his name, or we can post it if Professor Horan is okay with it.) Some of the "coincidental" ties of Mr. Y (source): he was rumored to have fingerprints at three Visalia Ransacker crime scenes; he attended the College of the Sequoias during the time that one of the professors there, Claude Snelling, became a VR victim; he worked at Mather during the same time as Brian Maggiore and even was said to look like the suspect sketch; he lived not far from Silvio Di Loreto when he was later in Southern California; and he knew Elsworth Manier.
- Citizen investigator "Dr. Doogie" spoke to a 1973 Northern California rape victim who identified her rapists as DeAngelo and a younger male accomplice (source).
Unfortunately, as you can see by following these source links, much of this information comes from the GSK case Proboards forum, where a lot of users are posting "inside" information that cannot be verified. I'm inclined to believe much of what they say, but we won't have much that's solid until we get our hands on the case files.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 11, 2020 8:05:32 GMT -6
Well, it's a start, for sure. Thanks for posting this!
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Post by james1983 on Aug 11, 2020 13:59:32 GMT -6
I've been reading about the Heavens Gate suicide cult recently. When the first formed in 1974/1975 they were invited and stayed with the Ananda Marga tantric cult in Portland Oregon lol.the main leader who was female at the time was arrested for using stolen gasoline cards, and Marshall Applewhite was arrested for driving a stolen rental car. None of these cults were legit home grown communities. The 70s was the craziest decade in history lol
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Post by marionumber1 on Aug 11, 2020 19:06:16 GMT -6
I've been reading about the Heavens Gate suicide cult recently. When the first formed in 1974/1975 they were invited and stayed with the Ananda Marga tantric cult in Portland Oregon lol.the main leader who was female at the time was arrested for using stolen gasoline cards, and Marshall Applewhite was arrested for driving a stolen rental car. None of these cults were legit home grown communities. The 70s was the craziest decade in history lol What's curious is that shortly after gathering up their followers in Oregon, they went for a journey out to Colorado, arriving in Grand Junction CO in 1975 in the midst of an ongoing "killing season" in that city. Nearly all of the victims were young women involved in drugs and/or sex with police officers, and the police chief Ben Meyers apparently had secret bank accounts used to launder money from these illicit enterprises. Meyers resigned after threatening an officer who saw him buying drinks for his 19-year-old girlfriend at a bar. He left to become the undersheriff in nearby Pitkin County (Aspen), where the star witness in Ted Bundy's murder trial picked out him instead of Bundy as the man she'd seen.
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